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December 21st, 2023 • 3h 14m

1618: Fat Leonard

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Adam Curry: Uh oh my God. Adam curry, John C Devorah. Say
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December 21 2023. This is your award winning Kuma nation media
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assassination episode 1618. This is no agenda, crossing the
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border up and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill
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country here in FEMA Region number six. In the morning,
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everybody. I'm Adam curry came
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John C Dvorak: from Northern Silicon Valley, where everybody
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agrees that perhaps the dumbest and maybe the worst show in the
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history of television is the masked singer. I'm John C.
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Dvorak skill. In the morning, in the morning to you in the
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morning, everybody.
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Adam Curry: Why are you watching the masked singer? I
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John C Dvorak: mean, not. That's why I said it's showing the
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history of television. Okay, just one. What is anybody watch
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it?
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Adam Curry: I don't know. If
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John C Dvorak: you watched Jenny McCarthy go. Oh, my God. She's
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all she does on the show. Is she on this show? Yeah, she's one of
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the judges.
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Adam Curry: Man. You know, that could be me. That could be my
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career.
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, it would fit right in is
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Adam Curry: Oh, my Oh, my God. She does you imagine, you know,
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getting old? You know, Vijay, the only people over 45 know who
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you are. And that's all you got is you're gonna be a judge on
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some shows.
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John C Dvorak: Based probably better than what we're getting.
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Yeah. Well, hmm. Especially after this fantastic promotion
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we did for the Golden Circle or whatever it
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Adam Curry: was actually, there was something interesting.
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Netflix published its numbers that they're viewing and guess
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hours viewed numbers yet?
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John C Dvorak: No. Yeah, they do the second billions of seconds
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viewed they have this crazy. Not the way their system is just
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nuts. Right? They can, they can nail it to the obvious to the
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minute. So
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Adam Curry: James Cridland who does pod news. He's nice. He's
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does a daily show. And he he's a numbers guy. Because of course,
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the podcast industrial complex is all about numbers. Don't
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worry, it's all going up more ads are coming. It's gonna be
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great. And so he put together this calculator because we
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publish our our stats on this thing called op threes nuts how
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we know that we have eight 900,000 people a month to listen
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to the show. And so he took that and he cross reference it with a
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Netflix numbers. And as it turns out, this show is bigger than
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93% of any shows on Netflix. I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah. And
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Netflix on average, people pay 53 cents an hour for the content
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if you break it all down into what people are watching and how
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much they pay per month. Man if only if only if
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John C Dvorak: everybody Yeah, well, that's we do have some
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people that do pay that. Well, yeah, but contribute that to the
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show. But it's only 1% 2% of the total. Yeah.
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Adam Curry: If only if only everybody did it would be great.
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Well,
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John C Dvorak: Netflix has a model that they're long it was
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to make it even partially work. Everybody else is struggling
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with streaming.
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Adam Curry: Struggling with streaming. Yeah.
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John C Dvorak: I think the reason that there's everyone's
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struggling with streaming is Netflix got in they perfected
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the model. Yeah, they did a good job of taking their customer
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base and turning into stream street hackers.
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Adam Curry: Remember, they had DVDs. Remember, they were the
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mail around? I was cool. I
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John C Dvorak: was and the other people are Johnny come lately.
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So what are you gonna do to one of those few examples in tech?
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And I would call this tech in Tech where the first guy got in
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first dominated dominant. Generally speaking, it's like
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the second or third Gale perfects things.
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Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah. So I was the first in podcasting and no
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one has heard no one has perfected it second or third.
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John C Dvorak: No, you actually have you're the first to get
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because you did the pocket. The podcasting. 2.0 is something
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that should get you a Nobel Peace Prize.
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Adam Curry: So just since you brought that up last night did
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the first value for value concert. And people were using
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the modern apps and they were streaming value for value and I
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think the artists Ainsley crystella made like $3,000 value
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for value works. It really does.
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John C Dvorak: Well, how much would she normally make zero?
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Adam Curry: He's talking about zero. If first of all you can't
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even do a live streaming concert. What is Spotify is
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going to pay you for that. No, no, no. Tonight they do it
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again. Nicer there live from Minneapolis and it's exciting
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stuff. It's exciting. Anyway, this whole what's poppin right
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now that everyone in my neck of the woods I said it neck of the
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woods is talking about is these migrants and let's just call
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them asylum seekers, illegal immigrants. And so now, it seems
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that on social media people have discovered that they're being
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flown to other countries, other cities in the country which we
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knew this
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John C Dvorak: has been going on for years. But now all of a
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sudden that that those those midnight flights has been
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documented people will take their cameras out and tomb shown
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these flights being filled.
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Adam Curry: Yeah, but now it's commercial flights. They're
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buying seats from Delta and American, by the way, business
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class seats and people are getting Yes, and people are
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getting bumped from the flights because there's so many migrants
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who are getting these these Priebe this premium boarding
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premium seating. I mean, you can have as many asylum seekers and
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migrants as you want illegal immigrants in America. But when
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you start bumping people off of flights, people lose their crap.
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This is this is where Americans draw the line, Hey, you want to
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be here illegally, whatever, but you are not taking my seat. So
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this is mainly coming from Arizona. Large large groups of
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people. Tickets typically purchased within 72 hours of
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departure because whoever buys the tickets needs a name to
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purchase tickets making the fares very high. So these are
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very profitable for the airlines. This is why they don't
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get bounced. They also do not have to meet normal TSA
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John C Dvorak: is costing the American taxpayer Oh, brother.
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Adam Curry: We still we got a we got a note from this as a good
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note boots on the ground. Nice. We'll just get right into it.
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I've got a couple of clips to telling you this. And anonymity.
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I'm an officer with TSA San Diego International Airport. My
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background with TSA is with the behavior detection program and
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the insider threat teams. So this is not just some rando
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who's yelling at you about your bottle water
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John C Dvorak: guys is looking for witching
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Adam Curry: Exactly. What's the Oh, hey, look at that curry guy.
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Man. He's twitching all over the place. Pull him over. I have 10
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years of experience with observing and conversing with
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the traveling public and fought off the vaccine mandate. So if
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you'd like I've earned my stripes to speak on this with
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some authority. Yes, sir. Oh, yes, sir. Yes, sir. For him.
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There are hundreds or her there are hundreds of illegals slash
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asylum seekers passing through our airport daily for well over
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a year now. And recently I've been able to piece together who
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exactly as assisting with these people. Christian family
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services and Jewish Family Services have volunteers that
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guide large groups from the bus drop off through TSA screening
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right onto their departing flights. to young women that I
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assume were volunteers caught my eye in the spring and through
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the summer because of their flirtatious nature with the
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young male TSOs of the time they spent inside the sterile area
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without any asylum seekers in their care. I approached one of
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the girls that was speaking to a Jewish Family Services volunteer
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and was able to conclude these two young women are paid
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contracts and employees with an NGO non governmental
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organization called IEM. i e m.com. Based on what I read of
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this group, they're well entrenched with assisting the
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government through many avenues of disaster relief, even the
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COVID vaccine rollout these guys do at all. I mean, they are a
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military contractor of their big, big business, ie m.com. As
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for the asylum seeker manual, I try to come to your own
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conclusions. I think this im group, along with many others
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take custody of these people, when they crossed the border,
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keep control of them with housing all the way through,
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even with with even judicial proceedings to support court
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dates have been confirmed to be well into 2027 and beyond. This
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is how it's working. So all this busing stuff from Texas. Yeah,
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sure. And in fact, Texas is tired of the buses themselves
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since Chicago has been impounding buses will just rent
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the plane.
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Unknown: It was a private plane that was chartered by Texas
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Department of Emergency Management that brought 100
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migrants here to Chicago Tuesday night, according to the city and
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landed at O'Hare Airport around 715. And on social media, Texas
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Governor Greg Abbott's administration posted about the
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plane saying, because Mayor Johnson is failing to live up to
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a city's welcoming city ordinance by targeting migrant
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buses from Texas. We are expanding our operation to
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include flights to Chicago like the Biden administration has
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been doing across the country. So President Biden has steps up
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and does his jobs to secure the border Texas will continue
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taking historic action to help our local partners respond to
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the Biden nade crisis. Governor Abbott says his administration
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has blessed nearly 83,000 migrants to sanctuary cities.
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Chicago has received more than 24,000 so far. And during an
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interview with Wu TTW Mayor Brandon Johnson said the
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governor of Texas determined to create chaos and we also know
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that the Latino Caucus will join others out here downtown later
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on this morning to demand more help from the federal government
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government I should say in handling my We're in crisis here
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in Chicago.
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Adam Curry: So everyone's blaming Abbott, of course. And
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what he did was obviously, what we should just call it
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performative with this. Show me your papers bill that he signed,
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the Republican
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Unknown: governor of Texas, Greg Abbott signed a sweeping new law
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today that lets local police arrest migrants who crossed the
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border illegally. It also lets state judges order them to leave
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the country. Opponents say it directly violates federal
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authority over immigration. Texas Republicans say the Biden
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administration isn't doing enough to stop illegal
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immigration. So
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Adam Curry: we got rob our constitutional lawyer who
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immediately is all over this so we have a good breakdown of what
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what the law is actually three bills. It's not just one, which
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is worth breaking down. Three state law bills. three bills the
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first allows Texas law enforcement officers to arrest
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suspected illegals and judges to deport them summarily critics of
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course, calling this the show me your papers law. The second bill
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funds the wall, along with stepped up patrols in places
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like Houston and the third bill ups the penalty for being a
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coyote or running a stash house from two years imprisonment
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imprisonment to 10. And this law was, as you could predict,
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immediately challenged in court, the ACLU filed a suit
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representing loss Americans immigrant advocacy Advocacy
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Center American gateways and El Paso County, El Paso we've been
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overrun with illegal immigration. Like We're suing
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you. We love it. I know what's wrong with El Paso. But of
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course, they're sort of they've asked for an injunction
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injunction precluding Texas from enforcing the law as declared
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declaratory judgment decreeing that the law is
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unconstitutional, which it probably is. plaintiffs have
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stated they will seek a temporary injunction to tide
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them over all the case proceeds according to our constitutional
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lawyer, they'll probably be a stay. And so this will have to
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play out over the next year, they need to file a cert
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petition with the Supreme Court. So this will go to the Supreme
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Court in the meantime, this is going to be the big the big
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distraction. So we don't pay attention to Israel. Don't pay
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attention to Hunter Biden, don't pay attention to Joe Biden
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falling down. I mean, it's really in competition with the
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John C Dvorak: anti sell down again.
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Adam Curry: You would know because everyone's either
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talking about Trump or this and I have to border clips. Okay.
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And then I have a couple of things and a conclusion here. I
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John C Dvorak: have some Texas border update. Texas border
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update.
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Adam Curry: Oh, it's one of our favorites. Oops.
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Unknown: This is in D. D. Biden's deliberate inaction, has
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left Texas to fend for itself.
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Texas Governor Greg Abbott on Monday signed a law giving local
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officials the ability to arrest and deport illegal immigrants.
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Multiple civil rights groups are now challenging it saying Texas
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unlawfully keeps the federal government from enforcing
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immigration laws.
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Adam Curry: And this guy sounds a bit like Patrick bet David,
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don't you think little Yes, that's
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John C Dvorak: funny. This is you get to see this guy. He's a
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very German looking guy No visually, is he's actually
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doesn't look quite like his voice.
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Unknown: It's interesting from enforcing immigration laws and
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that it illegally bars immigrants from applying for
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asylum. Mexican president Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador says Mexico
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is also preparing to challenge the law.
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To tell our fellow countrymen and migrants we will be
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defending them. Texas governor acts that way because he wants
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to be the vice president candidate for the Republican
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Party in the United States. And with these measures, he wants to
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gain popularity.
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Republican footage from Eagle Pass Texas on Wednesday shows
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1000s of immigrants trying to enter the Lone Star State, the
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new law is set to take effect in March. In other Texas related
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news, a razor wire fence is allowed to stay up at the state
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southern border for now. A federal appeals court on Tuesday
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temporarily blocked the Biden administration from removing the
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fence.
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Adam Curry: I will point out that it is supposed to take
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place March 5, which is the beginning the date exact date of
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the Republican primaries. So coincidence, probably not. It's
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all political. It's all performative. And I'm going to
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read a bill to you which I think explains what's really going on
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here. What is your second clip here?
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Unknown: Back in October, the states sued the Biden
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administration for cutting almost 30 miles of concertina
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wire. And lastly, illegal immigration now affects
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international trade. business groups and train operators are
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pressing the government to reopen rail bridges in Eagle
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Pass and El Paso border authorities closed them on
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Monday because They're understaffed. The US Chamber of
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Commerce says shutting down road traffic through Eagle Pass in El
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Paso will inflict significant economic harm
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Adam Curry: Dalia, there's going to be economic harm, it's going
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to be horrible. And I have a couple of short clips here from
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Democrat representatives. Who are I mean, very interesting how
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they I think the American public in general is against this, that
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everyone's sick of it everybody in even in the so called
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sanctuary cities, they see it, that you can't hide it anymore.
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If you have if people haven't been kicked out of their hotels
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for their wedding parties, because migrants, Bo and it's
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and by the way, the language is asylum seekers, migrants,
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there's very little illegal immigrants, there's none of that
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being said, this is Jasmine Crockett,
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Unknown: today concern because the Republicans have never
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gotten immigration. Right. That's just the fact of it.
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There's not very much that the Republicans get right, in
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general. And so to basically say that issues of national
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security, as relates to how we're going to take care of our
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allies should be tied to this mangled immigration process is
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absolutely insane. I mean, when you look at somebody like Greg
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Abbott, my governor, and his solution, his solution is to
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basically say, Hey, we're gonna kill people that are trying to
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come in, like, that's not a solution, like the Republicans
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don't have the solutions. They want to continue to defund the
16:29
aid that is going to aid but they're border security. Well, I
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mean, who's gonna sign up for this job and you're not paying
16:39
worth anything?
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Adam Curry: She's dumb. All right. She represents the state
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of Texas.
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John C Dvorak: Boy, she is. She's
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Adam Curry: dumb. Here's Jaya Paul, who is it was very
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concerned that you know, because there's, there's work going on.
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Now. Remember, the whole idea is no aid for Ukraine, no aid for
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Israel aid. This is called aid, no bombs for Israel, no bombs
17:06
for Ukraine. And Toby, fix the border? Well, Joe, better not do
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that. That question that you get from the left. If he doesn't
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agree to these changes. He's
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Unknown: gonna there's going to be a lot. We have to put
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together a coalition that is the same coalition we delivered in
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2020. For him to win the White House for us to win the Senate.
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And for us to kick back the House. And that coalition
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involves a lot of young voters. It involves a lot of immigrant
17:33
voters involves a lot of folks of color.
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Adam Curry: Immigrant voters, yeah, yeah. Oh, she said the
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quiet part out loud there, didn't she? We need immigrant
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voters, but almost almost as stupid. As Debbie Dingell. What
17:49
a great name. I like the angle Debbie Dingell. I feel bad. She
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wants waves put
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Unknown: us your response when he says that the border is
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broken under President Biden orders been broken was broken
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under Donald Trump as well. Or immigration reform. We need a
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comprehensive immigration reform for decades. Let me also say
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you've got small business clamoring for people we've
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talked caregiving, which is in desperate shape, and we need to
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bring some ways people need to be we don't want illegals. We
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don't want other people coming in. We don't want drugs coming
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across our border. We need a balanced comprehensive
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immigration policy.
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Adam Curry: Okay, first of all, whenever someone when someone
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says comprehensive immigration reform, they're full of crap,
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because all you need to do is just follow the law as it is.
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But she literally sits there and says we need caregivers. We need
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Maria to take care of our kids.
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Unknown: Come on. Yeah,
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Adam Curry: I mean, gardeners, gardeners, yes, please. More
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slabs.
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John C Dvorak: And we need who's going to take care who's going
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to clean our toilets? Yeah. One of the ladies on the views.
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Adam Curry: Do we still have that clip? I wonder who
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John C Dvorak: know it was I think it was sunny Hostin who
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said that. I'm going to be there Navarro.
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Adam Curry: I wonder if we have that. I can't find it offhand.
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Anyway. Now we have, oh, this is another Jim, Becca Baylands.
19:13
balance balance. Well, obviously, it's obvious what's
19:16
going on here.
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Unknown: So we've got the situation here, where speaker
19:21
Johnson is not somebody who has seriousness of purpose. He
19:24
doesn't understand the stakes. When you pull out 40,000 feet,
19:28
you see someone that is essentially doing who is
19:31
bidding. It's
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Adam Curry: doing potent work, okay. He's doing Putin's
19:37
bidding. Yes, yes. These she has a good term in here that we've
19:43
Unknown: got a situation here where speaker Johnson is not
19:47
somebody who has seriousness of purpose. He doesn't he
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Adam Curry: doesn't have seriousness of purpose, whatever
19:52
that means. i It's DC gobbly gook. And then of course,
19:58
another Democrat. representative from the great state of Texas,
20:01
Joaquin Castro,
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Unknown: I want to speak quickly to the Democrats in the Senate
20:07
and others who are considering supporting this proposal. If you
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do so, you will be surrendering to right wing racism. There it
20:16
is. And more than that, you will be enabling it.
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Adam Curry: Yes. Racist. Oh, and rolling it even Yes, racism. Now
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this is this not I do have an issue myself with the idea of
20:28
show me your papers. Because then this has happened to me in
20:32
Texas. We discussed that many years ago, when I drove from
20:36
California, when I fled California to Texas, within 100
20:40
miles of the border this checkpoints, show me your papers
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was is not cool. I don't like the idea. I think that's a bad
20:48
way to to solve this. You know, obviously, the federal
20:53
government needs to not allow people in anymore at these non
20:57
non approved crossings, it just has to stop the laws are on the
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books. Just stop, stop, stop. So
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John C Dvorak: I don't understand this. Show me your
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papers and obviously didn't work?
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Adam Curry: Well, no, because, well, it works to some degree.
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But it was still. The catch and release is the policy. That's
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what's changed. It's the policy, not the law. The law is no you
21:22
can't come in. And if you just can't be if you don't have the
21:26
right paperwork. And by the way, you also need all kinds of
21:30
vaccinations to emigrate to, or at least proof of vaccinations
21:33
to immigrate to America, but I know this process, but this
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racism part. Ah, that's the one that's catching fire. I don't
21:41
watch sports ball TV. But Stephen A Smith, I believe he's
21:44
using ESPN guy. Yeah, yeah. Well, of course, ESPN is where
21:50
you go to hear about politics.
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Unknown: Greg Abbott, you ever heard of him? He's the governor
21:54
for the state of Texas on Monday, that governor Governor
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Abbott signed a bill into law that will allow the police to
22:03
arrest migrants who entered the US illegally. This law which
22:08
takes effect in March allows any Texas law enforcement officer to
22:15
arrest people who are suspected of entering the country.
22:23
illegally. That's what we're going to do to our Latino
22:26
brothers and sisters. It's racist. Somebody needs to say it
22:32
so I'm gonna say it's a racist as thing to do. suspicion.
22:40
Suspect suspected of entering the country illegally, how can
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you be suspected of entering the country illegally? So you
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chillin in downtown Dallas, or Houston? You hanging out with a
22:54
bunch of folks, you're speaking Spanish instead English. Your
23:00
clothes might not be a Tom Ford suit or something. You might not
23:04
be wearing a Jordan sweat suit. You might look a little poor and
23:09
impoverished, a bit heading haggard, you're haphazard. Those
23:13
things might you might not look the part. That's a suspicion.
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They can literally labeled that as suspicion to justify
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arresting you not questioning you. Not asking for an ID. They
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literally can arrest you. What a disgrace. And the thing, I love
23:32
this state from the standpoint that it's got no state income
23:35
taxes. You got beautiful cities like Dallas and Houston and
23:38
Austin, Texas. I'm looking forward to being in the city
23:42
like that someday. And then I see a governor like this doing
23:44
this kind of nonsense. It's a damn disgrace. It really really
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is.
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Adam Curry: Calm down, calm down. It was also quite racist.
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John C Dvorak: Make this make one thing clear, since you don't
23:55
watch sports ball. He's a representative of the Walt
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Disney Company.
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Adam Curry: Well, that's ESPN bspa Is is owned by Disney.
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John C Dvorak: This very racy Disney for giving us politics in
24:10
the middle of what we what we care about, which is sports.
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Adam Curry: He he's racist, because it's Chinese. It's
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Africans as a lot of it's not just brown people coming across
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the border, okay. But those days are over. It is kind of over.
24:25
So, so they're there. Now, I figured all of a sudden they hit
24:29
me. I'm like, so of course this bill is going to be challenged.
24:33
But of course, that won't happen. But I can see where they
24:36
can do the stash houses. Yeah, that'll probably that'll
24:38
probably stay okay. But this is all politics. And it both
24:43
parties are against you and me going against Americans. Chuck
24:48
Schumer is like, yeah, we got to do this. Yeah, we got to figure
24:51
this one out. With the minute you get Lindsey Graham, who kick
24:55
this off saying no, I'm not gonna until we get some border
24:58
stuff. We gotta get the border. That was a that was a tip off
25:02
that something is up. So when I see Chuck Schumer saying, Yeah,
25:08
we got to we got to do this. So now instead of just saying,
25:12
adhere to the policy, we already have stopped people from coming
25:15
in. But no, there's a bill. There's a bill. And I don't know
25:20
if this is going to be the final bill. But this is what Chuck
25:22
Schumer has been working on. I'm going to read from some papers
25:26
that he has filed. He's even put this in previous legislation.
25:31
And this is what they really want. This is why both parties
25:34
want this somehow magically. This will prohibit the Secretary
25:39
of Homeland Security from processing applications for
25:42
registered provisional immigrant status. This is the RPi until
25:47
the secretary submitted to Congress the notice of
25:49
commencement of implementation of the comprehensive southern
25:53
border security strategy, and the southern border fencing
25:57
strategy. So here we go. The comprehensive southern border
26:02
security strategy includes the minimum technological
26:07
requirements specified, so they're gonna do all kinds of
26:11
Get ready as little robots Yeah, get ready for the money, money,
26:15
money, money, money, money. The southern border fencing strategy
26:20
will include no fewer than 700 miles of pedestrian fencing.
26:25
Hello, wall. Thanks, Democrats are fighting Trump on that. But
26:29
here's the one, a mandatory employment verification system
26:34
to be used by all employers to prevent unauthorized workers
26:38
from attaining us employment. They've been trying this for
26:42
years, this is your universal ID. This is everyone has to have
26:46
one. You can't work without your papers. Without your Shami, your
26:50
official ID. This is what they want both parties. In addition,
26:56
the mandatory exit data system, another thing they've been
27:00
wanting for decades. We want to know when you come in, we want
27:03
to know when you leave, we want to stop you from leaving you
27:06
slaves. These people are horrible. In addition to that
27:11
38,405 new full train full time active duty US Border Patrol
27:17
agents, probably for more processing. They don't care.
27:23
They want slaves to do to clean your toilet. They want slaves to
27:28
look after your kids to look after their own kids. They want
27:31
slaves to come in and vote Democrat preferably but they'll
27:34
take Republicans will take it. They want you to have papers
27:38
they want they are they are just making a big deal a big show.
27:44
And they're abusing these these people who had been told to come
27:48
on to America. It's great. And and they've done the same thing
27:53
in Europe. This thing, this is a global issue. It's and by the
27:59
way, it's called the migration replacement strategy. It was
28:03
United Nations strategy we you can find it the document in the
28:06
show notes implemented in 2000. written up everyone's like,
28:10
Okay, this is great. Replacing people in Western countries,
28:15
with people from other countries. This has always been
28:17
the idea always been the strategy and the EU oil oh,
28:22
we're all against it. Yeah, this is no good. But now, now we have
28:26
a new deal for the European Union.
28:28
Unknown: The content of this compromise today paves the way
28:33
for a really a reinforcement of the controls at the borders,
28:38
which means that even families comprising children could be put
28:43
into closed centers in order for their asylum requests to be
28:48
processed. So far, so good. The other thing is that will now be
28:53
a eu wide asylum procedure, putting aside all the national
28:59
asylum laws, which are taking in which are in effect today. The
29:04
other thing is also that there will be and that is the real
29:08
stepping stone of this agreement. There will be a
29:12
common approach on the solidarity in case of a massive
29:16
influx of migrants of solidarity,
29:20
Adam Curry: just in case just in case. There's a massive influx
29:24
of migrants on the off chance that might happen. They're
29:27
planning this on
29:29
Unknown: the solidarity in case of a massive influx of migrants,
29:33
there will be compulsory solidarity, meaning that EU
29:37
member states even those which have no access to an external
29:41
border of the EU will have either to taking asylum seekers
29:46
have to provide with a financial contribution. financial
29:50
agreement has been reached within this compromise. So
29:54
Adam Curry: you will take migrants every single country in
29:57
the EU doesn't matter when they come in. We are solidarity now
30:01
all you got to pay wages to give a pay. This is crazy. The whole
30:06
world has gone nuts. And that
30:08
Unknown: is a main point here. The point being obviously this
30:12
is a trade in a trade off. The other point being that the
30:16
external borders are going to be heavily reinforced.
30:20
Adam Curry: So it's it's come on in everybody. Come on over,
30:24
you'll be able to find lots of countries where you will be
30:27
placed. This is the elites they don't care.
30:34
John C Dvorak: The safe mobility they're not doing this in Asia
30:37
by any means. No, even though they could because China's
30:41
having a population issue with the aging public. So what do
30:49
they hope to accomplish? What's what is the what is the endgame
30:52
here? Okay, just to replace all whities with everything under
30:57
the sun and then enslave them because the I guess the what the
31:02
the Texas hill country folk won't be rode do what they're
31:07
told. We
31:08
Adam Curry: go back to the former New York banker. Every
31:12
single person they can add, they can print more money, they want
31:15
to print more money, they want universal basic income. And yes,
31:19
they want obedient workers obedient workers. Of course,
31:24
keep the cost down of everything, keep people
31:27
obedient, keep them in limbo for as long as possible. And, and we
31:32
beat China as long as we've we've already we've already
31:36
castrated our children. We've scared everybody with climate
31:40
change. We have to keep growing. So we might as well get someone
31:42
in the United Nations Office of immigration migration has a safe
31:55
mobility initiative. And they will help you they and you can
32:00
sign right up on the website. We have Cubans Haitians,
32:03
Venezuelans in Colombia if you if you want to travel safely and
32:10
lawfully to the United States, we have a program for that
32:13
Nicaraguan Venezuelan nationals in Costa Rica. If you got there
32:17
before June 12. We can help you move safely into the United
32:20
States of Costa Rica. Then we have Cubans Haitians
32:22
Nicaraguans, Venezuelans Colombians in Ecuador on or
32:25
before October 18 2023. No problem we'll bring you in
32:30
Guatemala nationals if you're in Guatemala, we can help you
32:34
travel safely and lawfully to the United States. These are our
32:38
own people against us. Yeah, and I know it sounds
32:43
counterintuitive, but they're they just see us all as pawns
32:47
peons you know as numbers. So yes, that's the idea.
32:58
John C Dvorak: Well, that's enlightening report. Lift a for
33:02
Christmas spirit, your Christmas spirit must be flying high.
33:07
Adam Curry: So along with this, of course, we have to my
33:11
Christmas spirit is is very high. Along with this comes, you
33:17
know, the obvious we have to make everything about the the
33:21
far right. This is this, this whole thing is very irksome. The
33:27
far right of everything is the far right. And me see the news
33:33
agents. So this was the report in in the UK, the news ages, I'd
33:40
like this podcast. These are very well established, very well
33:44
known mainstream journalists. And they do their own podcast
33:47
very popular. What's the name of it? The news agents. We've
33:50
talked about it before. The news agency is huge, very popular
33:54
podcast. And they're the people who have interviewed all the
33:57
heads of state and to do kind of like a newsroom type thing. So
34:00
now here it is. The news agents investigate the rise of the far
34:05
right.
34:07
Unknown: News agents investigates.
34:16
My comments no surprise for the far right have won the elections
34:19
in Italy. The
34:20
Prime Minister of Hungary Viktor Orban has secured a fourth
34:23
consecutive landslide election victory. Europe's
34:27
nationalist wave has arrived in Spain.
34:31
Marine LePen has perhaps never been as close to power. The
34:34
latest polls indicate
34:35
this year's poll has been shaken up by a surge in popularity of
34:39
the Euro skeptic and for right Sweden and democratic movement.
34:44
Something is stirring across Europe during tonic change to
34:49
our politics to where the balance of our politics sits.
34:53
From the Netherlands to Italy to France to Germany to Ireland,
34:57
the UK, Hungary beyond radical Both elements of the right even
35:01
far right once consigned to the fringes of political life, our
35:06
growing growing number in Parliament's in power, we are
35:09
not just for power, the sort of power you get from winning
35:12
elections, though they're winning plenty of those. It's
35:14
the power to shape how we think the power to channel the online
35:18
world, the power to move the center of political debate, to
35:22
the point where they don't even seem extreme anymore, that they
35:25
become normal or mainstream when they're neither. On this episode
35:30
of the news agents investigate the rise of the far right, the
35:33
collapse of the center. Why liberal democracy is under
35:36
siege. It's
35:38
Adam Curry: under siege. How about this? How about was this a
35:42
John C Dvorak: good podcast? It sounds like a melodramatic piece
35:45
of crap. Well,
35:47
Adam Curry: depends on who's listening to it. Yeah. But these
35:51
this is the establishment that's what you're hearing the
35:53
establishment is is incensed that out they outraged we can't
35:57
believe the far right is, you know, like normal people who are
36:01
like, Hey, we're sick of this crap. We're sick of it. We're
36:04
sick of it. We don't want it anymore. We're sick of all of
36:07
you. And then you get the fringe far, right? Yeah. Now, they'll
36:14
fight it every single step of the way. Of course, there's just
36:18
it's, it's these
36:20
John C Dvorak: these is what was once called useful idiots.
36:24
During the communist era, they're still out there doing
36:27
the bidding of people that whose whose best interest they're not
36:32
in the best interest of the people actually doing these
36:34
sorts of reporting. In other words, you know, you're selling
36:38
yourself out. Yeah, for all practical purposes with some of
36:41
this bull crap. And if Okay,
36:44
Adam Curry: and of course, when it comes to immigration, we we
36:47
can't leave out former President Trump. Because remember, he is
36:52
Hitler. Because because it worked so well in 2015, calling
36:56
him Hitler that really stopped people from voting for him. So
36:59
let's do it again. Now, we do have a little twist, because
37:03
President Trump is now explaining he splaining what
37:06
he's meant by poisoning of the blood. He's changed it to point
37:10
poisoning the country. But I mean, come on people, former
37:13
Unknown: President Trump continues to use fascist
37:17
language, that dehumanizes immigrants. Here's what he said
37:22
last night in Iowa.
37:24
We have no idea who any of them are. They come from Africa. They
37:29
come from Asia. They come from South America. And it's true
37:34
that destroying the blood of our country, that's what they're
37:37
doing. They're destroying our country. They don't like it when
37:40
I said that. And I never read minecon they sit in a much
37:46
different way. Now they're coming from all over the world,
37:49
people all over the world. We have no idea. They could be
37:52
healthy, they could be very unhealthy. They could bring in
37:55
disease that's going to catch on in our country, but they do
37:58
bring in crime. But they have him coming from all over the
38:02
world. And they're destroying the blood of our country that
38:05
destroying the fabric of our country. And we're gonna have to
38:10
get him out.
38:11
Adam Curry: He's a fascist, fascist language, which
38:15
according to Jake Tapper is doing something completely
38:18
different. What else works so well in 20 with throughout his
38:22
entire presidency, was another thing that the media did.
38:26
Russia. Was it Russia? I think it was Russia. Let's see if we
38:29
can be
38:30
John C Dvorak: Russia's involved. Yeah, I
38:31
Adam Curry: think Hello.
38:35
Unknown: Listen to this. Hello. I'm Jake Tapper in Washington,
38:38
where the state of our union is frankly, stunned. Stop watching
38:42
the leading Republican presidential candidate Donald
38:44
Trump. quote one of our nation's foremost adversaries Oh, no,
38:48
remember Putin as a sort of character witness while on the
38:52
stock in New Hampshire last
38:53
Adam Curry: night. Oh, no.
38:58
Unknown: of Russia says that Biden's and this is a quote
39:01
politically motivated persecution of his political
39:04
rival is very good for Russia because it shows the rottenness
39:07
of the American political system, which cannot pretend to
39:11
teach others about democracy.
39:15
One might think such a point need not be made. But what?
39:21
Adam Curry: What Jake Tapper, okay, he's right, but you don't
39:25
have to say it out loud.
39:27
Unknown: Wow. One might think such a point need not be made.
39:31
But, but Lattimer Putin, a former KGB official. Besides
39:38
with American He's a war criminal adversaries both
39:41
rhetorically and with arms, and who right now has at least two
39:45
Americans Evan Grishko. Butch and Paul Whelan unjustly
39:49
detained. Vladimir Putin is not a credible source of information
39:54
about American democracy know much less American
39:57
jurisprudence. Vladimir Putin seeks to undermined the United
40:01
States and its allies, whether in Europe or Asia or the Middle
40:03
East. He's undermining. Despite this or maybe by now because of
40:07
it, I can no longer tell. Mr. Trump stands poised to do very
40:10
well in the Republican Iowa caucuses on January 15. In less
40:13
than a month he has only expanded his lead
40:15
Adam Curry: go unless unless he gets kicked off of the ballot in
40:19
Colorado. This This really makes us look good internationally.
40:24
This is good. This thing people in in Colorado Are you Are you
40:33
not a little mad about this?
40:35
John C Dvorak: Hey there bunch of Democrats Colorado's
40:38
ridiculously blue, I have a mini cut of the Colorado some some
40:43
people talking heads discussing this.
40:45
Unknown: This is not a crazy thing for democracy to do. It's
40:48
very much like the reasoning of the conservative legal
40:52
community.
40:53
The conservatives on the Supreme Court who usually go on and on
40:57
and on about states rights are
40:59
hypocrites. He was an enemy of the Constitution, simply a plain
41:03
reading of the US Constitution.
41:05
This is not partisan. This is about applying historic
41:08
principles. What do you say
41:09
to the to the Republican candidates argument that
41:13
this should be the voters should have the say and
41:15
not the courts?
41:17
Adam Curry: Why are you standing with Confederate veterans
41:22
Unknown: betrayed this country?
41:24
Adam Curry: Oh, that's great. Okay, I got a couple of clips
41:26
here. This is MSNBC filed
41:29
Unknown: from the historic Colorado Supreme Court ruling
41:31
continues this morning. One day after the panel of judges there
41:35
ruled that Donald Trump was disqualified from the state's
41:38
2024 primary ballot because of his role in the January 6 attack
41:42
on the Capitol. President Biden made his first remarks about the
41:46
decision in the lock yesterday. The President initially refused
41:49
to comment. But he did say this when asked if Trump supported an
41:53
insurrection?
41:54
Well, I think it's self evident whether the fortune five will
42:00
have to coordinate that decision, but he certainly
42:02
supported insurrection. And no question about zero seems to be
42:10
doubling down on anyway. I've got to go through this.
42:13
Adam Curry: Anyway, I gotta go see if I can walk up the steps
42:16
from our constitutional lawyer technical analysis, which is
42:19
always handy to have so you can look smarter the water cooler.
42:23
The Colorado Supreme Court has stayed its decision ie put it on
42:26
ice, because it knows Trump will seek cert to your certiorari,
42:32
certiorari, which I think is something from Star Trek. The
42:36
State last through January 4 2024. But it automatically
42:40
extends if Trump files a cert petition, which he said he will
42:44
do. Once the petition is on file. It remains in place until
42:47
the Supreme Court of the US either denies the cert or
42:51
accepts the case and rules on the merits. Our constitutional
42:55
lawyer says I think Trump is likely to persuade four justices
42:58
to grant cert. But who knows if he does, then the state will
43:02
remain in place as long as the case remains pending. Meanwhile,
43:05
the Colorado Secretary of State must keep Trump on the primary
43:09
ballot. The primary happens March 5 2024. So if Trump can
43:13
run the clock out for two and a half months, and if the Supreme
43:16
Court of the US grants assert, which seems likely he can render
43:19
the whole thing moot, the Colorado Supreme Court justices
43:23
likely foresaw this and just wanted to get their thoughts on
43:25
paper. So again, performative nothing to worry about nothing
43:30
to see here. But of course, we have New York trying to do this
43:35
a couple other states. These people are stupid. Do they think
43:41
that this will not only make people more for Trump?
43:46
John C Dvorak: They don't understand the mechanism. This
43:49
Adam Curry: they certainly don't they think, but this is kind of
43:52
the arrogance of the elites in our country. But you know, we
43:58
know how to do the legal system. People in America are sick and
44:01
tired of the legal system. They're sick and tired of the
44:04
IRS. They're sick and tired of being badgered sick and tired of
44:07
everything and then you just got to get this guy back in office.
44:13
And then trust me the Republicans are going to cheat
44:16
like crazy this election they're gonna cheat cheat cheat like
44:20
everyone else tell everybody
44:21
John C Dvorak: the both sides are gonna cheat. Of course they
44:23
change who's the better cheater I still think is the Democrats.
44:27
I think they're more competent at it they have more machinery
44:30
they had the machine it was called a machine machine you're
44:33
talking about the machine in Chicago for example always gets
44:36
Democrats in it says the machine is literally a machine is
44:40
mechanism that works to get these votes into the into play
44:44
Adam Curry: here is that I have two clips here. an expert's an
44:48
American expert explains the 14th amendment on France 24. The
44:53
14th
44:54
Unknown: amendment was passed in the wake of the Civil War, which
44:58
as a Everybody, more or less nose was fought between the
45:04
states in the war succession. It's literally called in the
45:06
French translation of it, because half the country, more
45:11
or less the southern states wanted to secede from the Union,
45:14
because they objected to notably the institution of slavery being
45:19
banned at the federal level. So after that, when the cut when
45:24
the North one in the country was reunified, the South was
45:27
considered traitorous. They were insurrectionists. I mean, these
45:30
very people that were now seeking to come back into public
45:34
office, were had had been literally killing Union soldiers
45:40
and civilians during the war. And they had been proclaiming
45:43
that there should no longer be a United States, at least that
45:46
they wanted to be part of in the way that was envisioned in the
45:50
constitution. So this was a huge issue. And the Congress led the
45:55
efforts to pass a constitutional amendment, the 14th Amendment,
45:58
which has several sections, but the one we're talking about
46:01
here, section three notably says, Look, if you have this,
46:07
you know, that's what it says, look into the one we're talking
46:11
about here. Section three notably says, Look, if you have
46:16
previously been an official, in the United States government and
46:20
sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution, and then violated
46:24
that constitution, you cannot return to government. So in
46:28
other words, Jefferson Davis, for example, who was the
46:31
president of the Confederacy, had he had it in his mind, of
46:35
course, at the time, that would have been considered crazy, but
46:37
say he had taken it in his head to become president united
46:40
states and run against Lincoln or Ulysses S Grant or whoever,
46:45
he would have been banned by this provision. And in fact,
46:48
several people running for Congress were banned by it. So
46:51
this is what we're talking about. This is the provision of
46:53
the Constitution that's at issue here.
46:55
John C Dvorak: I'm sorry, actually, actually slightly
46:57
wrong. Of course, most analysis course it's slightly wrong,
47:01
which is that you can run as the President's not not,
47:06
Adam Curry: he's not mentioned the President is not mentioned.
47:08
And so as I say, sort
47:10
John C Dvorak: of what could happen, you know, Jefferson
47:12
Davis, or whoever it was, could could actually run for
47:14
presidency
47:15
Adam Curry: here. I have one more. This is an analysis from
47:19
Mike Davis. He is from the Article Three project, which who
47:23
knew, who knew, all of a sudden there's an art and he's on the
47:28
Steve Bannon war room, so says enough,
47:30
Unknown: and they just decreed that that President Trump
47:33
somehow committed an insurrection. And so therefore,
47:37
they're gonna throw him off the ballot. And that is not what the
47:39
controlling case law says. It's very clear if you want to
47:43
disqualify an officer of the United States, based upon
47:48
insurrection or rebellion, you have to charge him under the
47:51
federal criminal statute for insurrection or rebellion passed
47:55
pursuant to section three of the 14th Amendment back in 1869. You
48:00
have to have a grand jury indict a jury unanimously convicts with
48:04
evidence beyond a reasonable doubt find guilty with evidence
48:07
beyond the reasonable doubt. The judge has to convict and that
48:10
conviction has to be upheld on appeal. That is the only way you
48:13
can disqualify under section three of the 14th Amendment. The
48:15
Supreme Court of the United States needs to not take Jack
48:20
Smith cert before judgment case, which is just complete nonsense.
48:24
And they need to save room on their dockets. For this Colorado
48:27
Supreme Court case.
48:29
Adam Curry: It's all bull crap. So it's totally stupid. None of
48:32
this will get through another. So
48:34
John C Dvorak: going, going back to your, your wonderment as to
48:39
what are these people? Are they fooling themselves to think that
48:42
this isn't going to backfire? I want to play I have very short
48:46
like 17 second clip, which might give you some indication of
48:50
where these people are at this is airy Melber Gah,
48:54
Adam Curry: Ari Ari, Barry Silbert the newest model who
48:59
quotes Hip Hop lyrics. And so
49:02
John C Dvorak: just see if you can catch the little little
49:05
indicator within this very short. This is just a clip of a
49:09
clip, just saving cash the indicator in here that these
49:12
people are delusional, vacant,
49:14
Unknown: if past is prologue, then Kevin McCarthy's very
49:19
recent past shows you both where the Republican Party is headed
49:22
and many people think potentially into a wall if it
49:26
has no adjustment process for what remains a very unpopular
49:29
and indicted former president.
49:32
Adam Curry: Well, I have no idea what he just said.
49:36
John C Dvorak: He's just yakking away about somebody but he's,
49:38
but he says he's talking about the Republican Party's
49:41
direction. And he says they're hitting a wall because they're
49:44
they're backing a very unpopular listen to it again. He says a
49:49
very unpopular former president vacant
49:53
Unknown: if past is prologue. Then Kevin McCarthy's very
49:57
recent past shows you both were the Republic One party is headed
50:00
and many people think, potentially into a wall if it
50:04
has no adjustment process for what remains a very unpopular
50:08
and indicted former president.
50:11
Adam Curry: And indicted you forgot to mention that and that
50:14
in indicted, yes, TWICE, TWICE impeached, he's usually he
50:19
missed a whole bunch of stuff. But
50:21
John C Dvorak: he was it's but it's just as delusional vision
50:27
of the world. That is that the entire crew at MSNBC, CNN and,
50:35
and a lot of the news media that print media in particular,
50:38
they're all this way. And they're now they're coming out
50:41
of the woodwork. I don't, I could probably I should have
50:43
gotten some clips of this. But they had a classic PBS newshour
50:48
situation where there were the news media had the editor of The
50:54
Atlantic and then to counterbalance him they had New
50:57
York College in New York. I can't remember the name of this
51:03
journal erosion was Jay Rosen, Jay Rosen, and this guy, there's
51:08
no balance whatsoever, no other side there. And they're both
51:11
advocating, which I've been seeing tons of on social media,
51:16
all these journalists saying it's time we we can't be
51:19
objective anymore. Because our democracy is at risk. We must
51:23
stop this nonsense of objectivity when no democracy is
51:28
at risk. And we must, we must express our opinion. We talked
51:32
about this in the last show a little bit. And this has gotten
51:35
out of control, because these people are completely insane.
51:39
Adam Curry: And that's it. They they come from a place which was
51:43
not that long ago, where and I would say this is part of the
51:47
reason for the anger with Elon Musk. They come from a place
51:51
where they controlled the message. And they they truly
51:55
that journalist in particular, they felt they were in control.
51:59
We determined what you know, we're New York Times that you
52:03
can see the arrogance of of the reporters and what's that?
52:07
What's that dipshits name? Lorenz Taylor Lorenz, you know,
52:10
the minute someone got on her face, she starts crying. Now,
52:15
because we are in control of the message you we know better, we
52:20
know better. We're the elites. And they've promised
52:24
John C Dvorak: they're not the elites, to journalists of this
52:27
country or anything, but the elites, they're just their pass
52:31
through. useful idiots pass through stooges.
52:35
Adam Curry: stooges pass through stooges. Yeah, so so. And, but
52:43
of course, when everything's out of control, we know everything's
52:48
out of control. There's, there's no one's in charge anymore. It's
52:52
every man for himself on x. Everybody's fighting and yelling
52:58
and everyone knows better and just there because everyone
53:03
thinks oh, you know, if if Trump becomes president, that goes
53:07
with democracy and the other side if Trump becomes president,
53:09
he'll fix everything. Yeah. Dream on. Yeah. Dream on your
53:14
will be of course, no, of course not. And then as a as the big
53:18
meme, the big meme, everybody hears the big meme. Oh, yeah.
53:22
You know what? They're all afraid. We may
53:24
Unknown: soon learn the identities of more people
53:27
connected to Jeffrey Epstein and more than 150 names, which were
53:33
previously withheld. They include witnesses and victims in
53:37
the civil case against Carlene Maxwell, who is currently
53:40
serving 20 years in prison for being Epstein's accomplice in
53:44
sex trafficking. The list also includes some of Epstein's
53:47
former employees. Epstein, a wealthy and well connected
53:51
financier was indicted in 2019. For a scheme of involving
53:55
underage girls. He later took his own life in jail before he
53:59
could be tried. I wonder
54:01
how many men Michelle was sitting at home right now going
54:03
overload? And women Yeah, and women to women as well. It's a
54:07
terrible story.
54:10
Adam Curry: Now that was interesting. That was
54:12
interesting that she threw in the women thing this is Gail.
54:16
You know, because we're, we can probably expect Oprah to be on
54:20
this list if anything ever gets published if if if if the as
54:24
Oprah was was hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein, too. And then
54:27
so this this colleague throws in and women, Gail, then women just
54:33
so you know. What, what is this? What is this list of clients
54:38
what does that mean? client doesn't
54:40
John C Dvorak: mean anything up I don't know why they don't
54:42
publish the list. Just let let let it hit the fan. And so what
54:47
it doesn't prove anything. I mean, this like the Yeah, and I
54:51
I'm not one here too. We got to Bill Gates doesn't need my help
54:55
to defend himself. But this latest thing always was there's
54:59
a picture of him with some am woman. And so I went back and I
55:03
said picture with it. Sorry, there was actually an article.
55:06
In a Russian I think that's buttoning, but one of the
55:09
Russian magazines with Bill Gates with a bunch of different
55:12
women, many of them Epstein, women, but it's just like, I
55:17
didn't want to say that he did this or that. And I suspect he
55:21
probably had some fun with a couple of them. But you can't
55:25
prove anything. If you're a celebrity at that. Like if
55:27
you're a multi billionaire, one of the richest people in the
55:30
world, people are gonna want to have their picture taken with
55:33
you. Yes. Lots of them. You could there's probably 1000s of
55:37
people that Bill couldn't identify in a million years.
55:40
Always cozied up next to him. Women, men, ladies, girls,
55:46
everything in between
55:47
Adam Curry: knowing why you know what it shows above all,
55:49
particularly this airplane and when I hear RFK Jr. Like, yeah,
55:53
you know, my wife at the time thing was Mary. She was friends
55:58
with Jess lane. And we have these people they're like, hey,
56:03
oh, you need a ride. Just take my jet. When have you gotten
56:06
that offer? was last time someone said to you Hey, John.
56:09
Oh, you need to go visit just grab my jet no problem. They're
56:13
in a club that we are very far from
56:18
John C Dvorak: I know people in that club and I don't know that
56:20
they do that.
56:22
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, there's there's courtesies like because
56:25
jets are I
56:26
John C Dvorak: think at the high end if you have a jet and I have
56:29
a jet then you swap each other's jets I get it's like the people
56:33
who go friend of mine was is involved with these kind of
56:38
circles where people Oh, come on over. Come to the mansion out
56:42
the Hamptons. We got a room for you can stay for a month.
56:44
Adam Curry: I'll send the jet.
56:47
John C Dvorak: Jet. Now that's a little Okay. Well, we were
56:50
definitely not in that category. No,
56:52
Adam Curry: we're not. We're not in the mansion state dimension
56:54
category either. No,
56:56
John C Dvorak: no, you want to stay at the house. Maybe for a
56:58
day. Can't you find a hotel? Something new? You
57:01
Adam Curry: wouldn't even let me see your office when I came
57:03
John C Dvorak: to visit? The office is off limits limits.
57:08
Yeah, so that's kind of when anyone putting a bug in this
57:12
office. That's the reason
57:13
Adam Curry: that's me. Oh, yeah. But you don't trust me your
57:15
partner for 16 years? Yeah,
57:18
John C Dvorak: you gotta get your line somewhere. Meanwhile,
57:21
Adam Curry: no one talks about the FDIC parties. You've been
57:24
following that story, which won, that the FDIC under leadership
57:32
of Chairman Greenberg, that this does go back a couple of years.
57:39
John C Dvorak: But he talked about FDIC price some time ago.
57:43
Adam Curry: Well, new reports of misconduct. In 2020, the
57:47
agency's inspector general published a report of sexual
57:50
harassment that revealed that at least 191 FDIC employees
57:54
experienced sexual harassment between January of 2015 and
57:58
April of 2019. This included let me see I have some of these
58:04
here. They had parties and people be groping each other.
58:10
No, go to the party. You can't but it's the FDIC. This is a
58:14
government
58:15
John C Dvorak: makes no sense. It was like you know, Nepal
58:18
autonomous operation which had a bunch of sexual harassment for
58:22
the women against men. Yeah. And against the other women. Yeah,
58:26
yeah.
58:29
Adam Curry: We're just, well, these
58:31
John C Dvorak: people are bored. Let's face it. Now that this
58:33
already is invite parties invite this sort of behavior. I hate to
58:37
tell you.
58:39
Adam Curry: Meanwhile, x x is under Investec. subrogation.
58:43
Elon
58:44
Unknown: Musk's social media platform x the former Twitter is
58:47
now under investigation by the European Union. The EU says it's
58:51
focused on whether the company has done enough to stop the
58:54
spread of illegal content illegal first and such
58:57
investigation under new regulations aimed at hate speech
59:00
and misinformation. Yes,
59:02
Adam Curry: that Europe is going well everybody the hate speech
59:07
and misinformation is on deck in Europe. I gotta get my daughter
59:12
out of there. I'm gonna have to talk to her about this.
59:16
John C Dvorak: She really does she enjoy living in Rotterdam
59:19
it's a it's a you know a nice country beautiful place you mean
59:23
where
59:24
Adam Curry: the where they had terrorists. They arrested ready
59:28
to kill Jews that that Rotterdam.
59:31
John C Dvorak: You have terror terrorists arrested ready to
59:34
kill Jews in this country?
59:36
Adam Curry: Well, there you go.
59:39
John C Dvorak: Don't move to New York, whatever you do.
59:42
Adam Curry: We should probably talk about that for a second
59:45
here tonight.
59:45
Unknown: The Israeli military says the three hostages were
59:48
mistakenly killed by Israeli forces had escaped from Hamas
59:52
five days earlier. After Israeli soldiers killed their captors in
59:56
a firefight with Molly Donald's the army says they've since
59:59
analyzed Camera on a military dog at the scene. recorded the
1:00:03
hostage dogs.
1:00:06
Adam Curry: They had a camera on a military dog
1:00:08
John C Dvorak: yeah if I'm working in the field and I gotta
1:00:10
have a camera on me I say what? Where's the dog? Let's put the
1:00:13
camera on the dog. I don't need to have this camera on me here
1:00:17
Phoebe, you go check it out a camera
1:00:18
Unknown: on a military dog at the scene. The hostages voices.
1:00:23
They were later mistakenly shot by Israeli soldiers while
1:00:26
holding a white flag. Their deaths increasing the pressure
1:00:29
in Israel to pause the fighting and strike a deal to get the
1:00:32
rest of the hostages out the President today. Well,
1:00:35
fortunately, there's no expectation at this point. But
1:00:39
we are pushing Secretary of State Tony Blinken today blaming
1:00:42
Hamas I hear
1:00:43
virtually no one's saying demanding from us that it stop
1:00:49
hiding behind civilians. That it lay down his arms. That is
1:00:53
surrender. Yeah, man is over tomorrow. No, if a moss does
1:00:57
that,
1:00:59
Mr. Prime Minister Netanyahu vowing to continue the war until
1:01:02
Hamas is eliminated. Israel is now allowing aid into Gaza
1:01:06
through a second crossing. But the US and aid groups say it's
1:01:10
not nearly enough. I'm
1:01:11
Adam Curry: going to give everybody the sad truth of
1:01:13
what's happening here. But all this talk about pause and
1:01:18
ceasefire and Hamas has to say, No, Israel, the IDF, they're
1:01:23
going to rub allies, the entire Gaza, all of it. And when
1:01:29
they're done with that they're going to go and rub allies in
1:01:31
the North for Hezbollah, they're not stopping. All of this is
1:01:36
just just fodder to keep everybody talking and hoping and
1:01:40
walking around with flags. But they're going it's over. They
1:01:44
are not going to stop. I have lots of acquaintances and
1:01:48
friends in Israel, the ear, the parents of those of those
1:01:53
basically be young young men who were killed. They're out there
1:01:57
saying, you know, it's horrible, but we don't blame the IDF. We
1:02:01
understand what happened. And then you can come to my house
1:02:05
and I'll give you dinner at any point. The people are so fed up
1:02:08
with this. They want they want what Netanyahu is doing. They
1:02:11
want it. It's not going to stop but there's
1:02:14
John C Dvorak: a lot of protesting going on in Israel.
1:02:16
So I think there's a divided population as to some want it
1:02:19
some don't go a political
1:02:21
Adam Curry: protests. Yeah, against Netanyahu. Yeah. Yeah.
1:02:27
Well,
1:02:28
John C Dvorak: well, let's go to that brings us as we're
1:02:30
discussing this area, I do want to discuss a little bit about
1:02:33
the Houthis.
1:02:35
Adam Curry: Yes, yeah, this is this is heating up. I'm like, so
1:02:38
there's no better
1:02:40
John C Dvorak: and I have my certain complaints of course.
1:02:42
Yes, obviously. So I do have a three by three. Oh, you want to
1:02:46
do that first? Yeah, right off the bat.
1:02:49
Unknown: And now it's time for a three by three. Experiment
1:02:52
Adam Curry: by Jesse comparing stories from the the scenes. The
1:03:00
never ending, right? He's got the stories, the headlines, the
1:03:03
big three networks. This is where we break it down. We see
1:03:05
what the script is and we find out what is bold and what is
1:03:07
more bully. Here we go with a three by three.
1:03:10
John C Dvorak: You know, the funny thing is you can really
1:03:11
see the script in this group of three because it's as if they're
1:03:15
in the same newsroom. The structure of the three stories
1:03:19
is almost identical and makes no sense. And let's start with
1:03:24
Richard Engel at NBC. The cargo
1:03:26
Unknown: giant Maersk joined BP in halting traffic through the
1:03:30
Red Sea in response to attacks by the Iranian backed Yemeni
1:03:33
militia, known as the Houthi was hijacked and fired on several
1:03:38
ships. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin in Bahrain today, home of
1:03:42
the US Fifth Fleet announced the formation of a 10 nation
1:03:46
coalition to defend the Red Sea. But the Houthis vowed to keep
1:03:50
attacking ships until Israel ends its blockade of Gaza. The
1:03:55
showdown sending oil prices up again today, while the
1:03:59
Palestinian Islamic Jihad tonight put out a video of two
1:04:03
Israeli men it's holding hostage. Yesterday, Hamas
1:04:06
released a video of three elderly hostages taken under
1:04:09
duress. the Gaza Strip is at a breaking point as Israel attacks
1:04:15
Hamas, a group say 2.3 million Palestinians are paying an
1:04:20
unbearable price. The World Health Organization today
1:04:24
described the situation in Gaza as hospitals as beyond belief
1:04:28
and unconscionable.
1:04:30
Richard, what do we know about where the ceasefire talks down
1:04:33
right now? They
1:04:34
are fragile Lester, but advancing with Qatar reporting
1:04:37
progress and multiple ports that they'll continue tomorrow in
1:04:41
Egypt.
1:04:43
John C Dvorak: Okay, so here's the structure we have the
1:04:45
Houthi, stopping the attacking and just attacking and then
1:04:51
screwing up the red sea transport. And then for some
1:04:55
reason, unknown to me, they jumped to the hostages, huh? And
1:05:00
then they finish the story with the discussion of this a
1:05:04
mishmash report. And in there somewhere there was the Bahrain,
1:05:08
I didn't realize that we kept our ships there in Bahrain. So
1:05:11
that's a little point that will show up in another report. So
1:05:15
let's go to let's move on to ABC with I'd say the report from the
1:05:21
same newsroom tonight.
1:05:22
Unknown: We're also following the new attacks are rotting and
1:05:24
backed militants taking aim yet again. On commercial ships in
1:05:28
the Red Sea. It comes just hours after the US announced it was
1:05:31
now leading an international naval task force with several
1:05:35
nations. Tonight,
1:05:37
Iran backed Houthi rebels in Yemen, to more attacks on
1:05:41
commercial ships in the Red Sea. Just as the US announced a naval
1:05:44
task force to counter the threat the US joining nine countries to
1:05:49
escort vessels passing through the crucial trade route after
1:05:53
major companies including oil giant BP paused operations.
1:05:57
Bottom line is these attacks have to stop. They need to stop.
1:06:00
They're unacceptable. The United States our allies and our
1:06:03
partners will do what we have to do to counter these threats and
1:06:05
to protect these ships. But the
1:06:07
Houthi is vowing further attacks in retaliation for Israel's war
1:06:11
in Gaza. And David another hostage video release tonight
1:06:15
these images showing Gaddy Moses and Elijah Cassia, who were
1:06:18
kidnapped on October 7, and tonight a Prime Minister
1:06:22
Netanyahu met with hostage families saying their release is
1:06:25
his highest mission.
1:06:29
John C Dvorak: So there we go. Again, the same interesting
1:06:32
report goes from the Houthis to Oh, why did you stop shooting at
1:06:36
us? Two hostages. So okay,
1:06:39
Adam Curry: whatever this is meant to meant to focus you on
1:06:43
the on, like, well,
1:06:46
John C Dvorak: I don't know what to be honest about it. So
1:06:48
unfocused itself I don't say I can make anyone focus on
1:06:50
anything. So here we go to CBS with another one and they're
1:06:54
always a little bit of always give a little more twist, they
1:06:57
got a little more information than the other networks.
1:07:00
Unknown: Some of the world's biggest shipping and oil
1:07:03
companies are now rerouting their vessels away from the Red
1:07:06
Sea after brazen attacks like this one by Iranian backed
1:07:09
Houthi rebels. A dozen ships attacked in just the past month
1:07:14
the Navy destroyer USS Carney has been shooting down drones
1:07:17
and missiles launched from Houthi controlled territory in
1:07:20
Yemen in support of Palestinians in the Gaza war. 10 to 15% of
1:07:25
global trade normally passes through worth an estimated $1
1:07:29
trillion. Fearing Houthi attacks, ships are turning off
1:07:33
transponders hiring armed guards and several companies are
1:07:36
sailing around Africa a pain consumers will feel
1:07:40
we've launched Operation prosperity guardian
1:07:45
in the region defense secretary Lloyd
1:07:47
Adam Curry: who makes up these code names this is a dumb one
1:07:50
prosperity guardian. Call us call us people
1:07:55
Unknown: will fix you up tumors will feel
1:07:58
we've launched Operation prosperity guardian
1:08:03
Adam Curry: can we come up with a better name John. But anything
1:08:06
but this like hell to the Houthis no Hellfire on Houthi is
1:08:12
anything but prosperity Guardian rumors will feel
1:08:16
Unknown: we've launched Operation prosperity guardian.
1:08:21
In the region, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin announced a new
1:08:24
task force to try to stop Houthi attacks as a 10. Country
1:08:28
military alliance with the intent to grow. So far, the only
1:08:32
country from the Middle East to sign on is the tiny nation of
1:08:35
Bahrain, in Gaza, Israel's bombardment continues with
1:08:40
nearly 20,000 people now killed says Gaza, Hamas run health
1:08:43
ministry. And just hours ago, militants in Gaza released two
1:08:47
more videos of hostages. And this is the second such release.
1:08:51
That comes as leaders from both Israel and Hamas are signaling
1:08:54
they are open to a new pause. And a new hostage really steel.
1:08:59
Yeah,
1:09:00
John C Dvorak: same exact structures, all three stories as
1:09:03
if they're all working together. So somebody is somebody, there's
1:09:06
an overlord telling you how to do these things, obviously, and
1:09:11
they're doing a poor job. I mean, the media is corrupt. And
1:09:14
so you have and there's the mention of Bahrain, as the which
1:09:18
was where we keep our ships. So yeah, they're gonna join in
1:09:21
because we give a lot of money to the post our Navy. So they're
1:09:26
on board. But here's a couple of things that crop up this show.
1:09:29
By the way, I have one more clip date. Here's what shows up. In
1:09:33
my mind. One, Bahrain is the only one who joins in with this
1:09:36
with a kind of a program to stop the Houthis. What about Saudi
1:09:41
Arabia? They're at war with the Houthis. Why are they in on
1:09:44
this? Simple question. So no, no, we're not. No, we're not.
1:09:49
No, no. The second thing is, again, I'll say it again. I said
1:09:53
on every show, we have satellites, there's no clouds
1:09:57
over over Yemen. Did we have satellites right over showing
1:10:01
exactly where those missiles are coming from we could bomb the
1:10:03
crap out of those sites and ended it that because we're
1:10:07
bombing Somalia as we speak well but
1:10:09
Adam Curry: how about this maybe you want the oil price to go up
1:10:12
a little bit
1:10:13
John C Dvorak: you think that might be part of it I'm have a
1:10:16
feeling they oil prices go up yeah because hasn't gone up for
1:10:21
any other reason so there's something you know there might
1:10:24
be something that that there's something there there allow in
1:10:27
other words the point they're allowing this this is being
1:10:30
allowed. There's no way if they didn't want it to happen that
1:10:35
they would just not bomb the crap out of
1:10:37
Adam Curry: the bomb everybody else. Yeah, we know but no, not
1:10:41
these guys. There's
1:10:43
John C Dvorak: two things they can do. One one they're allowing
1:10:45
it to is giving some of the destroyers some of our ships
1:10:49
target practice so we can see what it takes to shoot down
1:10:53
drones. Get one
1:10:53
Adam Curry: of the trolls had a good point. Get the oil price
1:10:56
all jacked up. Then have Joe come out and mumble something
1:11:00
and then you know let it go down.
1:11:03
John C Dvorak: Well, it's gonna go down anyway. Yeah, Joe's
1:11:07
gonna do it.
1:11:07
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. Well, no, he's not but it's all theory.
1:11:10
The
1:11:10
John C Dvorak: idea is you mumble something mumble
1:11:12
something and then it then the the social media goes nuts.
1:11:16
Joe's saved us. So I do have one report that kind of is probably
1:11:22
more valuable than those three, put together get reports on
1:11:26
three exact same network. This is the Houthi threat. This is a
1:11:32
NTD
1:11:32
Unknown: the leader of the Yemeni Houthis vows to retaliate
1:11:36
if Washington takes aim at Yemen. This is as the US is
1:11:39
spearheading a multinational coalition to interrupt Houthi
1:11:43
attacks against cargo ships passing through the Red Sea. So,
1:11:48
before any American targeting our country will be targeted by
1:11:52
us and we will make American battleships interests and
1:11:55
navigation a target for our missiles, drones and military
1:12:00
operations. The
1:12:02
Iran backed group has been escalating missile strikes
1:12:05
against vessels sailing through the Red Sea in an attempt to
1:12:08
show support for Hamas terrorists amid the Israel Hamas
1:12:11
war. Those strikes are forcing ships to either cancel transit
1:12:15
or reroute to Africa, which is causing gas and shipping prices
1:12:19
to rise. The US love security pact joined by nine other
1:12:23
countries plans to ramp up patrol in the Red Sea to deter
1:12:26
and respond to future Houthi attacks.
1:12:29
Adam Curry: To all of these reports include the one name
1:12:32
which I've been tracking, which is Iran or Iran. And so what I'm
1:12:39
most curious about is is is this going to be the precursor do is
1:12:43
this excuse me time to go on bom bom bom bom bom Moran. And I can
1:12:49
tell you no and and the reason I know is because General Frank
1:12:53
McKenzie came on the PBS news hour to discuss the Red Sea
1:12:59
crisis.
1:13:00
Unknown: We return now to the conflict in the Middle East and
1:13:02
rising tensions in the Red Sea. We're about 12% of the world's
1:13:06
global trade passes through and where Houthi militias in Yemen
1:13:10
have been attacking ships. The Houthi say their attacks are in
1:13:14
support of the Palestinians. Yesterday, US Defense Secretary
1:13:17
Lloyd Austin announced a new multinational effort to protect
1:13:21
ships in the region. But how will that work? For that we turn
1:13:25
to former commander of US forces in the Middle East, retired
1:13:28
General Frank McKenzie. He's now the executive director of the
1:13:31
global and national security Institute at the University of
1:13:35
South Florida.
1:13:36
Adam Curry: Yeah, beautiful. We got a spokes hole, everybody. So
1:13:39
explain who are these Houthis help
1:13:41
Unknown: our audience understand first who are the Houthis? And
1:13:44
why exactly are they attacking commercial ships.
1:13:47
The Houthis are a proxy of Iran. And they've seized governmental
1:13:49
control and a coup in Yemen several years ago. They've been
1:13:52
largely responsible for the mass starvation in the country. And
1:13:56
with Iran, they pursue a policy for the destruction of Israel.
1:13:59
They're not completely under the direct control of Iran. But Iran
1:14:02
provides their equipment provides the resourcing and all
1:14:05
their supplies, but they're not directly at the beck and call of
1:14:08
ran in this matter. The Houthis have wanted to attack Israel,
1:14:11
it's very hard for them to arrange Israel proper. So
1:14:15
they've settled on instead, trying to cut off communication
1:14:18
of maritime shipping in the in the Bab el Mandeb area down at
1:14:21
the southern end of the Red Sea. So
1:14:23
Adam Curry: the more I hear these people talk about the
1:14:25
Houthis, the more I think they work for us. I mean, this this,
1:14:29
this whole thing stinks to high hell, let's look let's talk
1:14:32
about the task force.
1:14:33
Unknown: And as we mentioned, the US announced this creation
1:14:35
of this Multinational Task Force to Protect commercial traffic
1:14:38
through the Red Sea. Why is
1:14:40
Adam Curry: it called a task force? The fact that they call
1:14:42
it a task force is like blame. Now how about attack force or
1:14:47
defense force? Defense Force would be better anything but
1:14:50
Task Force? That's something the marketing department does in
1:14:54
your company. Yeah,
1:14:56
John C Dvorak: task force we attack for
1:14:57
Unknown: how exactly will that work and in your estimation will
1:15:00
it be enough to deter future attacks,
1:15:04
the ships will be important, we will provide ships, our friends
1:15:07
and partners will provide ships and those warships that will be
1:15:10
out there, shepherding the merchant vessels, three will be
1:15:13
very important. But what will be equally important will be the
1:15:16
intelligence architecture that we put over the Bab el Mandeb.
1:15:20
You need to see what's going on. You do that through man patrol
1:15:24
aircraft, unmanned aircraft, drones, all kinds of other
1:15:27
intelligence gathering systems to actually see what the Houthis
1:15:30
are up to money, money, money, money. And this also has another
1:15:33
effect. And we know for many years of dealing with Iran, they
1:15:36
don't like to be observed. It can have been a tearing effect
1:15:39
in 2019. Our heavy use of ISR intelligence, surveillance and
1:15:44
reconnaissance assets around the Strait of Hormuz prevented the
1:15:47
Iranians from carrying out nefarious attacks may or may not
1:15:51
be enough with the Houthi they tend to be very aggressive. I
1:15:53
think at some point we're probably going to have to
1:15:55
consider that
1:15:58
John C Dvorak: they've been at war for I don't know what is it
1:16:00
10 years now Saudi Arabia, they're all this bull crap this.
1:16:05
You're right. This is a crock of crap from the get go. And
1:16:08
they're doing this. And by the way, their dough is going to
1:16:11
talk about this guy had a clip of that I don't didn't bring it
1:16:15
along, which is the price of insurance for the ships going
1:16:20
through the Red Sea has gone up tenfold. Yeah, to the point
1:16:24
where this never mentioned to the point where it's actually
1:16:27
still super expensive to drive all the way around the African
1:16:32
tip, but cheaper to do that and pay for the insurance. And so
1:16:36
nobody's going through the Red Sea. This is a set definitely a
1:16:40
way to jack up prices. Yes.
1:16:43
Adam Curry: And to maybe maybe Orwell was inflation, but that's
1:16:48
because of the Houthis meant something like that. Yeah.
1:16:51
Houthi inflation, Houthi inflation Houthi
1:16:54
John C Dvorak: no one's good. That's too hard to sell. For,
1:16:58
they call the call it system name for the organization to
1:17:02
begin with, but
1:17:03
Adam Curry: they'll call it a supply chain here. The what's
1:17:05
the future of big business?
1:17:06
Unknown: BP is now the latest company to announce it's going
1:17:09
to be pausing shipments through the Red Sea, as we mentioned,
1:17:11
with so much global trade going through that area. What does
1:17:15
that mean for the future of big business?
1:17:18
Well, I think if we're unable to reestablish and reassert the
1:17:21
route of free passage here and keep the Houthis in making these
1:17:23
attacks, everything's going to slow down is 14 more days to go
1:17:27
around Africa to come up either east or west. And that will tend
1:17:30
to exert greater pressure on the market, probably the energy
1:17:34
energy market first, but other markets as well. So it's in
1:17:37
everyone's interest, every nation that moves on the global
1:17:40
commons actually has an interest in ensuring that the Bab el
1:17:43
Mandeb is going to be open for the ride of free passenger
1:17:46
ships. The
1:17:47
Adam Curry: Houthi price hike. You never know. Final, final
1:17:51
clip here. Talk to us about the region. I mean, we have to
1:17:55
understand the region what's going on in the region. As you
1:17:57
Unknown: mentioned, the Houthis are an Iranian proxy, what does
1:18:00
all of this suggest about the potential for Israel's war
1:18:04
against Hamas to escalate into a wider regional con region?
1:18:08
I think the odds of the escalation beyond Gaza are
1:18:11
actually fairly small right now, Lebanese, Hezbollah has not
1:18:14
chosen to enter the fray, despite the fact they're
1:18:17
exchanging low levels of fire with Israel on its northern
1:18:19
border. Iran has not chosen to directly attack Israel. Those
1:18:23
are important things that have perhaps been overlooked. Hamas
1:18:26
is not getting a lot of support from those two entities. Now,
1:18:29
the Houthis are, but again, as I said, the Houthis have limited
1:18:33
ability actually, to strike Israel, they were reduced, you
1:18:36
know, to carrying out attacks down around the Bab el Mandeb.
1:18:38
And they are doing that, but I believe that's a problem we can
1:18:41
solve. We may need to be a little more aggressive about it
1:18:44
than we've been today. But I believe that's a solvable
1:18:46
problem. But the larger issue is, I don't think it leads to
1:18:49
escalation.
1:18:50
Adam Curry: Okay, so no escalation. It's a scam. By
1:18:53
obviously,
1:18:55
John C Dvorak: you know, the idea that the Houthi is might be
1:18:57
working on our behalf is an interesting one says, you know,
1:19:01
people are getting killed left and right. With them. Shipping
1:19:05
has been stopped when money goes around. But
1:19:08
Adam Curry: wouldn't it make sense since we had to sell all
1:19:10
the boats, we sold all of that war machine material, and we
1:19:15
paid for a lot of the defense of Saudi Arabia in Yemen, of the
1:19:21
two T's and the Houthi so the Houthis were hitting our allies
1:19:25
and we need war there so that we can make more war stuff and now
1:19:29
it's just more war. It's like, oh, like this looks as another
1:19:31
opportunity.
1:19:33
John C Dvorak: So yeah, while inopportune everything's in
1:19:35
opportunity.
1:19:36
Adam Curry: Why wouldn't you have those guys be on our
1:19:38
payroll? Hey, crank it up, boys. And I remain the men that when I
1:19:42
saw them land on that ship,
1:19:46
John C Dvorak: with the with the Houthi the Houthi banderas yeah
1:19:50
with with the GoPro the body cams was the first person I
1:19:55
know. Let's say stage they
1:19:57
Adam Curry: got the helicopter landing and then went dump an
1:20:00
app that was very staged that was that was production edited
1:20:04
nicely put together, put it out there.
1:20:07
John C Dvorak: Why didn't we do anything about it the helicopter
1:20:09
flying around by itself nobody cares. Yeah, we got all kinds of
1:20:14
gunships and everything in between on float around in a
1:20:18
helicopter, through
1:20:20
Adam Curry: the Houthi heli is on the loose, no worries
1:20:23
John C Dvorak: at all. And we didn't know Oh, you didn't even
1:20:27
see it. But, you know, we got satellites all over the place.
1:20:30
Give me a break,
1:20:31
Adam Curry: you know, one of Tina's friends. You know, she
1:20:36
listens to the no agenda and her I think, millennial daughter, I
1:20:40
have a quote. I, my, my daughter, lecturing me about
1:20:45
Palestine, told me that John and Adam can afford not to take
1:20:49
sides because they're old white men. Like, what does that even
1:20:56
mean? I don't understand. Because, you know, we don't have
1:21:00
to worry about it. You know, but here's something Hello,
1:21:06
children.
1:21:07
John C Dvorak: Nice. Bill. Dad had to wait, wait before you
1:21:09
finish that thought that had to be inculcated, because there has
1:21:14
to be some rationale that these kids are fed because that sounds
1:21:18
like something you'd say, without thinking. In other
1:21:21
words, you were brainwashed into saying that it says it's like,
1:21:24
because there's no thought is in a statement like that.
1:21:29
Adam Curry: It's part of colonialism, I think. Okay,
1:21:31
John C Dvorak: well, yeah, that's what it is. I've always
1:21:33
been a colonialist.
1:21:37
Adam Curry: That's right. You have a very small colony of
1:21:39
sanity in the Berkeley area.
1:21:43
John C Dvorak: Meanwhile, it hasn't Miscavige another meeting
1:21:46
in February at the mallard club.
1:21:48
Adam Curry: I'd love to have some protests for what's
1:21:50
happening in the Congo.
1:21:52
John C Dvorak: Three noble way finish your thought on the on
1:21:55
the girl. No,
1:21:56
Adam Curry: that's what I just that's all the thought I have is
1:21:59
it's it's stupidity. It's been indoctrinated. And and so the
1:22:04
finishing of the thought is while this
1:22:06
Unknown: security and logistical challenges in Congo caused
1:22:09
disruptions in today's presidential election, almost 44
1:22:13
million people were expected to vote amid chaotic conditions.
1:22:17
crowds grew agitated after poll openings were delayed for hours
1:22:21
in the capital city of Kinshasa, and smudged ink on voting cards
1:22:25
slowed the process. As a result, balloting will be extended until
1:22:29
tomorrow.
1:22:29
Adam Curry: So the New York Times has a big article today
1:22:33
called the overlooked crisis in Congo, we live in war. How many
1:22:38
people do you think have have been killed in the past few
1:22:42
years in Congo?
1:22:45
John C Dvorak: Is this the Democratic Republic of the
1:22:47
Congo?
1:22:48
Adam Curry: Yes.
1:22:50
John C Dvorak: I would say how many people in the past year now
1:22:53
Adam Curry: the past couple of years this this has been going
1:22:56
on for a few years?
1:22:59
John C Dvorak: I would say 100,000 6 million. But where's
1:23:06
the protests? The exactly million that's three times the
1:23:09
population of Gaza. 6
1:23:12
Adam Curry: million now lurching into a volatile new phase, that
1:23:18
no one cares. You know why they're black racists. That's
1:23:21
why
1:23:22
John C Dvorak: I bet you no one could identify a Congo flag. No,
1:23:25
Adam Curry: but they can they sure know what a Palestine flag
1:23:28
looks like. Yeah, it's it's, that's that's what gets my goat.
1:23:35
It's like, Please be quiet. You don't care about people. You've
1:23:38
been programmed to say something. That's all this
1:23:42
happening.
1:23:44
John C Dvorak: Yeah, they couldn't identify half these
1:23:45
places on a map. No,
1:23:48
Adam Curry: there's that or the Congo is actually pretty easy to
1:23:50
find is big. Just pointed the middle of Africa. You pretty
1:23:54
much I'll hit it. That's about it.
1:23:58
John C Dvorak: Now I have a couple of hooey on international
1:24:00
stuff. I have to I've got a new story category. Oh, okay. I call
1:24:08
WTF news. When you're managing WTF news refers to I have two
1:24:14
stories today. Actually. One of them is not as good as the
1:24:17
other. But WTF news. These are stories that you hear them and
1:24:21
use. And you wonder, did you know this in the least this is
1:24:26
like again from anti D because they they'll report on stuff
1:24:29
that why isn't this on the network's
1:24:34
Adam Curry: on our networks? You mean? Yeah. Okay. We'll find out
1:24:38
as soon as we get to it which story? It will
1:24:41
Unknown: Venezuela turning our attention now to South America,
1:24:44
Venezuela is fraying. 10 jailed Americans and exchange for the
1:24:48
release of Colombian businessman Alex Saab. He was arrested on a
1:24:52
US warrant back in 2020. For funneling some $350 million from
1:24:57
a Venezuelan housing program saw As a close ally of Venezuelan
1:25:01
President Nicolas Maduro, US officials often referred to him
1:25:05
as Maduro as a bag man. As for the released Americans,
1:25:09
according to the White House six among the 10 were wrongfully
1:25:12
detained by the socialist regime, Venezuela will free at
1:25:16
least 20 Venezuelans as well, including political prisoners.
1:25:21
As part of the agreement. Venezuela will also extradite
1:25:23
Leonard Francis, a defense contractor known as fat leonard,
1:25:27
who orchestrated one of the largest bribery schemes in the
1:25:30
history of the US military. The scandal took down nearly two
1:25:34
dozen Navy officials. Francis fled the US ahead of his
1:25:39
scheduled sentencing last year and has since stayed in South
1:25:42
America. It's
1:25:44
Adam Curry: interesting, I had this story,
1:25:46
John C Dvorak: that Leonard fat leonard Yeah, I had the
1:25:49
Adam Curry: fat leonard story. And here's the question I have
1:25:53
with and we said we had an exchange we exchanged the
1:25:56
prisoners. Yeah. And my question is, why are we giving special
1:26:03
preferential treatment to Venezuelan illegal immigrants to
1:26:07
give them work permits when we have this fat leonard deal going
1:26:11
on? Was that part of the deal? Hey, you know what you give us
1:26:15
fat leonard. And we'll have, you know, we'll give 15,000
1:26:19
Venezuelans who have crossed over illegally, we'll give them
1:26:22
work permits.
1:26:24
John C Dvorak: That has to be part of that deal has to be
1:26:26
going on. And I think some of the political prisoners will be
1:26:29
coming up here too. I'm sure of it. And this fat lenders story,
1:26:34
though about taking down like 20 Naval executives, and it was the
1:26:40
biggest scam of bribery scandal in the history of the United
1:26:43
States. I'd never heard of fat leonard seen how does that
1:26:46
happen? With our news media seems
1:26:48
Adam Curry: to me that fat learner needs to be shut up as
1:26:51
what's going on. We need to get that get back here. So we can
1:26:53
like stifle him? Yeah, I think fat when it's a problem.
1:27:00
John C Dvorak: That Lynard fat linens
1:27:03
Adam Curry: Oh, title, writing it down as we speak. Okay. I
1:27:10
have a little bit of AI news, which I'd like to share.
1:27:14
John C Dvorak: I have a follow up clip. Because I have some
1:27:17
thoughts on AI too. Because I were at odds somewhat with
1:27:21
insofar as AI is concerned, even though we have a great AI clip
1:27:26
at the end of the show mix. At least in my opinion. Oh, yes.
1:27:29
Adam Curry: It's not AI. That's actually one of our guys doing
1:27:33
that voice.
1:27:34
John C Dvorak: Well, it's might as well be AI. No, it's the way
1:27:37
I see it. That
1:27:38
Adam Curry: is a tough way to see it. Yeah, it's a talented
1:27:41
person. Do you want it? Do you have something you want to play?
1:27:46
Well,
1:27:46
John C Dvorak: I want to, I want you to play yours first. And
1:27:49
then I'll play my blue lip. Well, I
1:27:51
Adam Curry: have I have a whole setup. Okay, well, let
1:27:53
John C Dvorak: me just play this. This was a fake video that
1:27:55
I thought was hilarious. This one's got a big scandal at all.
1:27:59
I forgot NBC are somebody you gotta say they're suing. They
1:28:02
sued over it. And the whole thing is a fake video of this of
1:28:07
one of their anchors. Go ha. This
1:28:10
Unknown: is good. And welcome to a special edition of Meet the
1:28:12
Press. Now coming to you live from beautiful Miami, Florida as
1:28:16
we count down to the third Republican presidential debate
1:28:18
hosted by NBC News. I'm Garrett Hake live from our NBC News
1:28:22
debate Hall spin room where we are just hours away from five
1:28:25
Republican candidates taking the stage. Tonight. It's arguably a
1:28:29
game of survival as the field faces major questions about the
1:28:32
state of their own campaigns and the state of this race. With
1:28:36
front runner Donald Trump maintaining his commanding lead
1:28:38
and once again, skipping the contest. This is Ron DeSantis
1:28:43
and establishment Rhino that wears insoles in his boots in
1:28:46
order to look taller. And this is Nikki Haley. Nobody really
1:28:50
gives a shit about Mettler Haley. This guy is probably just
1:28:53
a stagehand Who the fuck invited this guy, and this guy is
1:28:58
probably just delivering pizzas. Anyway, nobody cares about these
1:29:02
bullshit Rhino debates, especially when you know that
1:29:04
Donald Trump is going to kick some ass tonight.
1:29:21
John C Dvorak: So they have Trump at the end, of course. Now
1:29:23
if that's the that's the job. I'm seeing this as the way Trump
1:29:29
used Twitter in 2016. Yes, you use social media. I don't know
1:29:33
whose gives him these ideas. But this is the Trump campaign,
1:29:38
using AI and doing crazy videos like this thing was, if you can,
1:29:43
people can track it nowadays, most of us but most of the
1:29:45
copies have been taken down. Because NBC NBC so irked about
1:29:50
they sued them. And they sued the Trump campaign and they
1:29:53
pulled it they but that is out there. Yeah. And it's funny to
1:29:57
watch because when they say this guy's delivering pizza then they
1:30:00
show Vivix. And they show I don't know who this guy is like
1:30:04
it may be a janitor. And they that's that was Scott. Yeah, it
1:30:09
was. It was very, very insulting and funny this is
1:30:14
Adam Curry: this is this is the whole point is AI and you could
1:30:17
have done. I mean, no one knows Garrett Hake really? I mean, he
1:30:20
could have done it with a voice actor but okay, we'll call it AI
1:30:23
fine. That's the business model. That's all there is people are
1:30:28
afraid of the boy is gonna do all that people are gonna fall
1:30:32
for the fake No, no, it's used for humor. It's used for comedy.
1:30:36
John C Dvorak: I agree with you. This is nobody's falling for
1:30:39
this. Oh, and the fact that NBC sued and when you could say it
1:30:42
was a parody, they you could have countersued and kept it up.
1:30:45
But it's better to be sued and take it down. That's what you
1:30:48
want. Yes, more publicity. So it makes it look better. And then
1:30:52
people go seek it out because I had to do that. And you know, it
1:30:55
took some time I found it. And then you get to watch and you
1:30:58
crack up. And you know, these guys are all freaked out about
1:31:01
it. This is totally AI is is is just for humor, and it's very
1:31:08
good at it. AI is
1:31:09
Adam Curry: for humor. And we have some humor coming up. But
1:31:12
first, we need to have some teeth put behind the executive
1:31:16
order that President Biden put in place. Because AI is so
1:31:20
dangerous. It's dangerous. It's racist is what it is. So we
1:31:25
found a case. Ha, boy, I'm so happy we can prove that we need
1:31:29
these laws for AI earlier today,
1:31:31
Unknown: big news from the FTC or Federal Trade Commission as
1:31:35
it banned Rite Aid from using facial recognition technology
1:31:39
and its stores for five years. Why? Well, according to the FTC,
1:31:43
Adam Curry: Don't you hate it when they do that? Why,
1:31:46
John C Dvorak: why? Why? Why? Well, if you leave that out, if
1:31:51
you leave the why out? It actually flows
1:31:55
Adam Curry: better. No, but yeah, it's a thing. It's like
1:31:57
people do that. Why? Well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna educate you.
1:32:00
Well, according
1:32:01
Unknown: to the FTC, the drugstore giants secretly used
1:32:04
it for nearly a decade for surveillance purposes. But they
1:32:07
wrongly accused many of shoplifting in the process. And
1:32:10
they falsely accused the people that they did, were more likely
1:32:14
to be people of color or women. In a statement writing that,
1:32:17
quote, We are pleased to reach an agreement with the FTC and
1:32:20
put this matter behind us. However, we fundamentally
1:32:23
disagree with the facial recognition allegations in the
1:32:26
agency's complaint. Let's bring in NBC News technology
1:32:30
correspondent Jake Ward,
1:32:32
Adam Curry: Jake Ward, have you ever come across Jake ward? He's
1:32:34
the NBC technology correspondent, Surely you've
1:32:36
heard of Jake ward? No. So Jake Ward is going to explain he's
1:32:42
gonna explain to us and I like this. I like that, hey, you
1:32:46
know, what they are AI is identifying chicks and blacks.
1:32:52
They are thievin Magic, obviously,
1:32:55
Unknown: a lot of questions, people probably wondering around
1:32:57
this, like, what are the laws that regulate, basically kick
1:33:00
the ball. So to the point that's being made here in 2019, federal
1:33:04
agency found that Asian and Black individuals were up to 100
1:33:07
times more likely to be misidentified. So as the
1:33:10
technology also evolved since then,
1:33:12
Adam Curry: so this, this is the only thing they have on AI,
1:33:15
they're gonna go after everything they can with this
1:33:19
one point, it's racist, because old white men put it together is
1:33:23
racist.
1:33:25
Unknown: Well, let's say um, you know, the technology has
1:33:27
evolved, but unfortunately use it seems to have degraded at
1:33:32
least in right aids case mean, right. That is the allegation
1:33:34
that FTC is basically coming through this is the
1:33:37
Adam Curry: FTC. Are they? Do they? Are they a judicial
1:33:41
agency? Do they have the right to do this?
1:33:44
John C Dvorak: I think so. Commission is
1:33:47
Unknown: going to hear, you know, basically, if you walked
1:33:49
into a Rite Aid in a large urban center of Baltimore,
1:33:52
Philadelphia, San Francisco between 2012 and 2020, you were
1:33:55
picked up by this facial recognition system. And I've
1:33:57
been speaking with people, how
1:33:58
Adam Curry: many white people are in Rite Aid in Baltimore?
1:34:02
Just Just a question offhand. You know, I'm just like,
1:34:05
Baltimore is pretty black. It's a very black area,
1:34:10
Unknown: we're close to this project. And they say, you know,
1:34:12
initially, the idea was, that people would then come to you
1:34:16
having, you know, matched your photo to a very high tech
1:34:19
database of other repeat shoplifters. And then the idea
1:34:23
was that the staff member would somehow come over and just say,
1:34:25
Excuse me, sir, may I help you and by being kind of greeted in
1:34:29
that very polite high touch way, you'd be embarrassed and you'd
1:34:33
leave that was sort of going to be the original idea.
1:34:36
Adam Curry: You'd be embarrassed and kind of leave like oh, I
1:34:39
didn't steal anything. Be be embarrassed AI is embarrassed
1:34:43
John C Dvorak: embarrassed by somebody come over say can I
1:34:44
help you? That happens all the time. But over
1:34:47
Unknown: the years, Sam, I mean, you know, right. The money paid
1:34:49
to retail clerks has stayed the same while their
1:34:51
responsibilities have gone up and up and up right morale
1:34:54
staffing problems, the rest of it mean it's in an environment
1:34:57
of really, you know, dysfunctional a really
1:34:59
dysfunctional A market, you suddenly have employees trying
1:35:02
to deal with a lot of shoplifting Oh, the poor
1:35:05
employees and not in a sensitive way. And it turns out not in a
1:35:10
way where you could rely on the technology. The FTC says that
1:35:13
1000s of people were falsely identified as shoplet. Write
1:35:17
John C Dvorak: this report. He's just rambling, telling us
1:35:19
anything, after
1:35:20
Unknown: hours, even though you know, the technology in theory
1:35:23
can be better. The people who were not trained, they would
1:35:26
hold people out of line, embarrass them in front of their
1:35:28
colleagues, their families, their friends, all that, you
1:35:32
know, this high minded ambition, that Rite Aid and many other
1:35:35
sources seem to have had with facial recognition did not work
1:35:38
out such that the FTC has now banned that company from using
1:35:40
it for five years.
1:35:41
Adam Curry: Meanwhile, the TSA uses that every single day that
1:35:44
when you go to the airport, they're scanning your face.
1:35:46
They're approving you based upon facial recognition, airlines are
1:35:49
checking you in automatically just by looking at a camera. No
1:35:53
report on that. Jake ward.
1:35:55
Unknown: So the enforcement obviously is a challenge to put
1:35:57
it mildly. I'm also wondering, Jake, companies like Rite Aid, I
1:36:01
mean, we talked about the fact this was done secretly, at least
1:36:03
those are the allegations from the FTC. Do you have to disclose
1:36:07
if you're using this kind of technology?
1:36:10
Yes, you do now, and that is what is so interesting. The
1:36:14
reason that this is such a big deal in the tech world is this
1:36:18
is the FTC, I've been speaking to sources close to that agency.
1:36:20
And they say that this is part of the FTC effort to try to stop
1:36:24
the large scale practice of essentially experimenting on all
1:36:28
of us when it comes to big data, except with the government wants
1:36:32
to do it at the airport. And that's not just going to be
1:36:33
facial recognition systems, it's going to be things like AI,
1:36:36
right? Last minute people to collect all kinds of data on all
1:36:41
of us, and experiment in the wild on the kind of conclusions
1:36:44
you can reach using that stuff. The FTC is saying no more. In
1:36:48
this case, one of the punishments being levied against
1:36:51
Rite Aid is they have to delete the database that they had
1:36:54
assembled across all the stores across the nation, they don't
1:36:57
get to just sort of
1:36:59
John C Dvorak: make a backup, then delete it, or try again,
1:37:02
Unknown: that is a big cost to any kind of tech driven company.
1:37:06
You know, in addition, they basically say that, you know,
1:37:08
this kind of new standard that you're gonna have to really
1:37:11
prove that this thing works on an ongoing basis is also going
1:37:14
to apply getting off the
1:37:16
Adam Curry: hook. All right, he's done. All right.
1:37:18
John C Dvorak: Jay Z's on and on and on about nothing. It was so
1:37:21
what?
1:37:22
Adam Curry: Alright, now we get to the information, the info
1:37:26
Mavericks, the info Mavericks, there was a big info Maverick
1:37:30
meeting, at Turning Point USA
1:37:32
John C Dvorak: or your buddy. So yeah, though, yeah. To be info
1:37:35
Maverick club, the info Maverick
1:37:37
Adam Curry: club, in this case, at turning point, USA onstage a
1:37:40
live pool boy podcast, with our hero, the pool boy, along with
1:37:46
Tucker Carlson, Charlie Kirk, James O'Keefe. I mean, this is
1:37:51
the creme de la creme of the
1:37:53
John C Dvorak: Mavericks, the cream of the Maverick and let's
1:37:55
hear
1:37:55
Adam Curry: how afraid they are of AI and how AI is going to eat
1:37:59
the
1:37:59
Unknown: world. We may be we may be past the event horizon, the
1:38:03
point at which you know towards AI is so great. There's no
1:38:05
backing away from it, what we're being so faster and fast, I
1:38:08
think you can go into it with these neural nets. A human that
1:38:10
understands the code can go into the system, be in the virtual
1:38:13
realm and reverse engineer the AI and see what's happening and
1:38:16
how it's being run in real time.
1:38:20
Stay with it gets better.
1:38:22
Maybe I would just do with the keyboard. But I'm not going into
1:38:24
that. But listen, this is this was Elon Musk's argument, we
1:38:27
must integrate with the machine, Terminator like scenario. And
1:38:30
that's the word we think this is going to end well. I mean,
1:38:32
honestly, like, this is the scary this is what people need
1:38:36
to understand about about the singularity event when a I hold
1:38:39
Adam Curry: on to this where people don't understand I'm
1:38:41
appalled by this when people aren't going to say right, I was
1:38:43
gonna understand this because it's very important. It's very
1:38:46
important. Like,
1:38:46
Unknown: this is the scary this is what people need to
1:38:48
understand about about the singularity event when AI when
1:38:52
it actually turns on when we reach Artificial General
1:38:54
Intelligence might be there. And we might be there. No, it isn't.
1:38:58
It's a point at which the machine itself beat
1:39:01
exponentially improves itself. So if the rate of growth for the
1:39:05
the computer systems that we're building is say more as live
1:39:08
doubles every two years,
1:39:10
Adam Curry: that's not Moore's law. It doubles every two years.
1:39:15
Generally,
1:39:16
Unknown: we're building is say more as live doubles every two
1:39:19
years. Once we reach the point of AI singularity, or I guess
1:39:23
you could call it Artificial General Intelligence, straight
1:39:25
to the top, right up to the point of near infinity, where
1:39:29
this machine is improving itself, learning faster and
1:39:32
faster and calculating faster. And then it's beyond our our
1:39:35
comprehension. Yeah, I
1:39:38
John C Dvorak: saw the movie The Forbin Project Colossus, The
1:39:41
Forbin Project recently. It does exactly what he described as the
1:39:46
Adam Curry: man. The hell yes, we're all going to die.
1:39:49
John C Dvorak: The AI system. Project, go check it out.
1:39:52
People.
1:39:52
Adam Curry: We've talked about it. I've watched it. You can get
1:39:54
it on YouTube. This is fantastic. Oh, yeah.
1:39:57
John C Dvorak: And it's old. It's from the 60s. Isn't it 70s?
1:40:01
Adam Curry: Meanwhile, guys on emacs doing Lisp rolling their
1:40:05
eyes. So well My
1:40:08
John C Dvorak: thing is there's you're gonna get a neural net,
1:40:11
which is going to go and kind of D. Disassemble the code somehow,
1:40:16
huh? Yeah. Yeah. And then you're gonna be able to go in there
1:40:20
because you've disassembled the code with a neural net and then
1:40:23
you can fool around i This is nuts. These people
1:40:26
Adam Curry: are no good for your, for your mental health.
1:40:30
Nor are the next people. Now this is I'm gonna bring in a
1:40:33
professor now.
1:40:36
John C Dvorak: Galloway, Shaw
1:40:37
Adam Curry: so close. It's so close. It is from the pivot
1:40:40
show, which I might point out is the award winning technology
1:40:44
podcast, award winning. I've never heard him talking about
1:40:48
technology. It's the award winning technology podcast. And
1:40:52
they have a bunch of predictions for 2024. And they bring in a
1:40:57
Stanford professor of AI to to predict what is going to happen
1:41:04
in 2024. Okay, Scott. Now
1:41:06
Unknown: let's hear a prediction from Dr. Fei Fei Li.
1:41:10
Oh, hi, Taryn Scott. This is Fei Fei Li. I'm Sequoia Professor of
1:41:17
Computer Science at Stanford. Denning, co director of Stanford
1:41:21
Institute for Human Centered AI, and the author of The she AI.
1:41:28
Adam Curry: I think she's Asian. Her name is fufu are far far.
1:41:32
She's obviously a I know she's not code and code for us. And I
1:41:38
love that she used to McCoy a professor, you know how that
1:41:41
works. Hi, I'm Mike Morris from Sequoia we're going to give you
1:41:44
$100 million. But whenever your professor goes on pivot and
1:41:48
award winning technology podcast, she has to say hello, I
1:41:52
am the Sequoia professor. You
1:41:55
John C Dvorak: know, the joke of that is that when I hear the
1:41:58
Sequoia professor, I think of a tree. I don't think the VC can
1:42:03
Adam Curry: pie. I'm the Pfizer professor, but listen to listen
1:42:06
to her prediction. Now this is this is where you know they'll
1:42:09
shut up now you know, it's boom
1:42:12
Unknown: Ooh, crap.
1:42:14
This is Fei Fei Li. I'm Sequoia Professor of Computer Science at
1:42:19
Stanford. Denning, co director of Stanford Institute for Human
1:42:24
Centered AI, and the author of the book The world's I see. My
1:42:30
prediction for AI in 2024 is that the technology will
1:42:35
continue to deepen and widen but a very impressive speed, we're
1:42:41
gonna see more multimodal large models beyond language into the
1:42:48
domain of perception and world modeling. We will also see AI
1:42:56
continue to create a lot of discussion among the public and
1:43:01
policymakers as we experienced the messy impact of AI in our
1:43:07
society, in our industry. Thank you. Okay,
1:43:13
but what was that? Exactly?
1:43:17
Adam Curry: I think that technology will widen and deepen
1:43:20
the, okay. Bullshit, it will, everything's going to widen and
1:43:25
deepen as you dig deeper from this bowl. And it will become
1:43:30
multimodal. Now. I've been following this now. Now. I'm so
1:43:34
irked by this by this scam, that I'm following multimodal means
1:43:39
it will be able to you will build large language models with
1:43:43
video and images and voice and audio. So yeah, put our podcast
1:43:48
in there, please. And she predicts Glo world modeling this
1:43:54
is the new buzz term. World might even mean I'm glad you
1:43:59
asked. I'm asking from the university I got a quick
1:44:03
splinter of world modeling also known as General world model.
1:44:09
The thing
1:44:09
Unknown: is, alums only know about language. What if we
1:44:13
applied the same big data big model approach to how we
1:44:17
generate videos? Well, that's what we're calling general
1:44:22
worlds models. GW Adams, and we believe that they're the next
1:44:27
big thing. Similar to LLM general worlds models are given
1:44:33
a large amount of data, but not just text. It's also given
1:44:38
videos, images and audio, everything you'd need in order
1:44:41
to understand how the world works. And with all this
1:44:45
information, the models build out sort of a mental map for
1:44:48
themselves. And this is where my dog comes in. Hi Ruben. Ruben
1:44:54
also has an internal model of the world based on things he
1:44:57
knows. And it looks something like this He learned that if we
1:45:01
go this way, there's a higher chance of us going to the park.
1:45:05
And if we go that way, there's a dog that kind of looks at him
1:45:08
funny. He knows that there's usually sidewalk chicken scraps
1:45:12
right here. And that these stores known as pet stores that
1:45:16
have the tweets that he likes, once we get to the park, this is
1:45:20
where all the bus sniffing happens. With all of this data,
1:45:24
the sights, sounds, relationships of things, Rubin
1:45:27
has figured out how to predict certain outcomes and adjust his
1:45:31
behaviors, just like the general world model.
1:45:36
Adam Curry: So there you have it, a far cry from the fear
1:45:39
mongering from the pool boy and the info Mavericks, the level
1:45:43
that they're talking about for 2024 is a dog who knows when you
1:45:48
turn right, but sniffing will happen. This is this is the
1:45:52
future. That's from the university.
1:45:59
John C Dvorak: And yeah, and they were no, they were a big
1:46:01
disrobe that Stanford was big, big, big in the 80s. You can but
1:46:06
sniff and they're always big. And but sniffing everybody who's
1:46:08
ever been there knows that you have to be careful, by the way
1:46:11
you go.
1:46:13
Adam Curry: The bud sniffing is could be very bad. So it's, it's
1:46:19
nothing. It is. I'm telling you, they're gonna pivot to quantum
1:46:28
computing. No, they have to, they have to know
1:46:32
John C Dvorak: that. There's no logical pivot there. There's
1:46:34
they're going to pivot I'm not going to argue the point the
1:46:37
pivot is climate, they always do that the pivot pivot from Ai
1:46:41
they did in the 80s. They did in the 50s. Well, hold
1:46:44
Adam Curry: on, hold on. This is a good point, when in the 50s,
1:46:47
neither you or I know but in the 80s, when they pivoted away when
1:46:52
the AI Winter came in the 80s word that they pivot to,
1:46:56
John C Dvorak: they will do all I can tell well, they pivoted to
1:47:00
the internet, I believe. And they they bailed on the AI. And
1:47:06
the thing is, the funny thing about the Stanford woman is that
1:47:10
Stanford was one of the two sort of one of the two main AI areas
1:47:15
who was Stanford and I think was MIT. And and I think Carnegie
1:47:19
Mellon has some maybe had their toe in the water. But when they
1:47:23
bailed they basically destroyed all their research to a lot of
1:47:27
the research has been just they got rid of it because it was too
1:47:29
embarrassing. And they had to start over they people would dug
1:47:36
up some of the old stuff is really got to kick started a new
1:47:40
AI movement. The right there. I don't know, I think I don't know
1:47:46
the
1:47:46
Adam Curry: reason. The reason why I say quantum computers is a
1:47:50
because it's not real, be well, it's
1:47:52
John C Dvorak: been around but it's already been there as we're
1:47:54
already past the quantum computing fad. Okay,
1:47:59
Adam Curry: this is a headline from the hill. If countries are
1:48:03
serious about climate change, they better get serious about
1:48:07
quantum computing. And the story goes like this quantum computing
1:48:12
uses laws of quantum physics to store and process information
1:48:17
and rapidly solve complex problems. Quantum computers
1:48:21
available today require additional maturation to deliver
1:48:26
on their full potential. Then here it is, quantum computers
1:48:30
will be able to accelerate improvements in batteries, which
1:48:34
are pivotable to the pivotal to the renewable energy transition.
1:48:39
And they keep going on about oh, companies like BMW are
1:48:43
investigating the use of quantum computers to identify optimal
1:48:47
locations to install electric vehicle charging stations. Why
1:48:51
you need a quantum computer for that? How bows are likely none.
1:48:56
Daimler partner with IBM to use quantum simulation to better
1:49:01
understand lithium sulfur batteries and explore how to
1:49:04
boost batteries charge capacity, diminish energy loss via heat
1:49:09
and lower production costs. Doesn't that sound a lot like
1:49:12
AI?
1:49:15
John C Dvorak: Well, what you're saying my interpretation of what
1:49:19
you're getting at is that you see such a smokescreen of BS
1:49:27
that well there's a smokescreen of BS here. Yes. So why don't we
1:49:31
just move over to the other smoke screen
1:49:33
Adam Curry: went from blockchain to AI. I mean, that was
1:49:36
smokescreen. smokescreen. Everybody knew blockchain was
1:49:40
crap.
1:49:41
John C Dvorak: I don't think blockchain was the was the entry
1:49:44
point for AI?
1:49:46
Adam Curry: Not at all. Oh no. For the markets charm for the
1:49:48
markets. That was crypto and blockchain and that was that was
1:49:54
right before Oh, now it's AI. Oh, AI. What? No, I think it's a
1:49:58
separate track we need Need reasons for Nvidia to overcharge
1:50:02
for their chips? Quantum is the next way for that.
1:50:07
John C Dvorak: If you didn't react bla, here's the problem
1:50:08
with that. The Nvidia chips which are more or less perfect
1:50:13
for AI, because you get to, you need so much computing power to
1:50:17
do the stupidest stuff, including where a dog is fast.
1:50:23
It's like, yeah, nailed it. Quantum Computing is a different
1:50:28
type of computing. I mean, it's, the architecture is totally
1:50:33
alien, and no one can do it. I mean, we google claims to have
1:50:37
made a quantum computer that solve some problem. And it's
1:50:41
there, I never bought into that is bullcrap. The state this is a
1:50:45
joke.
1:50:47
Unknown: The
1:50:49
Adam Curry: great article, how artists are now sabotaging AI
1:50:55
with data poisoning. Have you heard of this? No.
1:51:00
John C Dvorak: But this reminds me of what vandals like to me
1:51:04
this vandalism. Yes. Yes. Well, yeah. And vandals. Vandals are
1:51:08
out to just like, for example, the driverless cars. Yeah, there
1:51:12
is a subculture of vandals that like to put like an X on a stop
1:51:18
sign or, or put some word over the word stop on a stop sign or,
1:51:23
or take stop signs out where they belong. And even though
1:51:26
it's still on the road, and do stuff to screw up the driverless
1:51:30
car. Yes. And it doesn't take much. It turns out well,
1:51:34
Adam Curry: there's a tool called Nightshade. And you run
1:51:38
your image through nightshade, and it alters the pixels in a
1:51:42
way that screws up the way the computer the AI looks at the
1:51:50
image and what it interprets from the image. So the example
1:51:54
they give here is you need an image of a balloon. You'd prompt
1:52:00
red balloon against a blue sky but it returns an egg
1:52:07
John C Dvorak: love this. I love this. I love these guys.
1:52:11
Adam Curry: Great. This is fancy. So it's already becoming
1:52:15
just a great it's just great. It's fun. The AI is entertaining
1:52:20
and good for our show. That's pretty much
1:52:23
John C Dvorak: is that I think the whole key is entertainment.
1:52:25
Yes. That's all this is hardly anything you want to worry
1:52:29
yourself sick about. Yeah, I mean, it could get tedious at at
1:52:33
some point. But
1:52:35
Adam Curry: we have in that in that thing. The poor boy brought
1:52:38
up something called Dead internet. And dead internet is
1:52:45
this idea that everything on the internet will just be a bot and
1:52:50
everything your this probably to some degree there's already a
1:52:52
lot of that going on. And that you'll be you'll think that
1:52:58
you'll be having conversations with people we just talking with
1:53:01
bots all day long. I think that's kind of we're already
1:53:03
there. I
1:53:03
John C Dvorak: think some people can be stuck in that mode. Yeah,
1:53:06
yeah.
1:53:07
Adam Curry: Especially in cells.
1:53:10
John C Dvorak: organ cells. Yeah,
1:53:12
Adam Curry: sadly, sadly.
1:53:13
John C Dvorak: Okay with this cute female bots. She's She
1:53:16
loves me. She says if I sent her enough money, she can get she
1:53:22
can leave South Carolina to I guess she was a runner up to
1:53:25
miss South Carolina. She's gonna move out here with me. I
1:53:29
Adam Curry: don't know if it's just me but the the pig
1:53:31
butchering is at an all time high right now. I am getting so
1:53:35
many text messages. You know that we know how this works.
1:53:40
We've discussed it several times. The pig butchering where
1:53:43
they send you a note let me see I have one here. From a 510 area
1:53:47
code. How are you? How's it going? Okay, so we'll skip that
1:53:51
when there's more creative ones. Let me see when was the other
1:53:55
one I had? Hey, I saved your number but I didn't save your
1:53:59
name. Who are you? Yeah, no, no, I'm gonna answer that area code
1:54:03
906
1:54:05
John C Dvorak: What are they what what are we talking about
1:54:08
here? He butchering
1:54:08
Adam Curry: where you reply. And then and then and then they send
1:54:13
you know it's always some hot Asian chick and then she sends
1:54:15
you an image like oh, you kind of cute and then eventually you
1:54:19
wind up investing in some cryptocurrency and you make
1:54:22
money. You make money because it's a phony fake front. You
1:54:26
make money and then they get you to mortgage your house. It's a
1:54:30
long game long, long game long game.
1:54:32
John C Dvorak: Here's a bunch of a bunch of these phonies on
1:54:35
LinkedIn nowadays. Linda
1:54:37
Adam Curry: How soon will you pick me up that's a good one.
1:54:40
That's an interesting one.
1:54:42
John C Dvorak: Are these your phone messages? Yeah, this
1:54:44
Adam Curry: is a text message. Hey, what are you doing as that
1:54:46
one? Yeah. Oh, this this is rampant in your probably comes
1:54:51
from x blue. Are you there? Question mark. Yeah, yeah,
1:54:58
John C Dvorak: it's None of these,
1:55:01
Adam Curry: you don't even use your phone.
1:55:03
John C Dvorak: It's in the drawer. Yeah, I will I have to
1:55:06
talk about this is when when things we're going to talk
1:55:08
about, when January 1 comes around, I will have gone one
1:55:12
entire year without a cell phone, carrying a cell phone, or
1:55:18
having a cell phone or even having an account for a cell
1:55:20
phone one entire year. And I bring this up to certain people
1:55:25
and like I brought it up at the bank the other day, and
1:55:28
everybody goes nuts. How do you do it? I wish I could do that.
1:55:35
And of course, my response I wish I could do that is just do
1:55:38
it. You go How can you do that? How do you?
1:55:45
Adam Curry: How do you How would you do it? How do you function?
1:55:48
How do you live? How is it possible? I mean, do you have a
1:55:51
life? Do you have friends? Do you know what I mean? Did you
1:55:53
have a seeing eye dog? How can you live without your phone?
1:55:59
It's pretty
1:56:00
John C Dvorak: much the reaction you get from everyone. And it's
1:56:03
like this was only just before 2007 When people didn't carry
1:56:07
these phones around like crazy. It's not that long ago, it's
1:56:10
less than 20 years in the entire population has been addicted to
1:56:15
carry your phone around. And like use pointed out to me,
1:56:17
which I didn't notice at the time as a couple of years ago.
1:56:20
And I see nothing he bought guys and gals walking around with a
1:56:25
phone in their hand, all the time, wherever they go their
1:56:29
phone, or their hand them two
1:56:31
Adam Curry: of them. Sometimes two women sometimes have two
1:56:35
phones. I see that a lot. One is
1:56:39
John C Dvorak: like work. It turns out that you don't need
1:56:43
that he had the phone. I mean, once in a while you'd be at a
1:56:46
study at the store or something, you know, wonder so and so once
1:56:49
you call us if you want to buy one of these as on sale, you
1:56:54
don't need to do that. And then while you're there, the response
1:56:57
I get is hey, you bet you I get text messages from me. I get
1:57:00
texts, you do have a phone, you're liar. And it's like no, I
1:57:04
use Google. Yeah, I use Google Voice and which has text message
1:57:09
me to do it on the computer. I come in and like when you open
1:57:12
it up once every week and find some messages on there. I send
1:57:16
messages out to people who I gotta send some information
1:57:20
important. Important people important. Important. Yeah. And
1:57:25
you use
1:57:25
Adam Curry: you use your text message twice a week for me
1:57:28
newsletter. Newsletter, newsletter, please review,
1:57:34
newsletter, newsletter.
1:57:36
John C Dvorak: Well, you require it. I wouldn't normally do that
1:57:39
because I send you the newsletter and have to look at
1:57:42
Adam Curry: it because I'm looking at my email all day. I
1:57:45
have
1:57:45
John C Dvorak: to because you're stuck on a phone like everybody
1:57:48
else. I send you the dynamic text.
1:57:50
Adam Curry: I am not stuck on a phone. You have a phone. I'm the
1:57:55
graphene OS there's a lot of stuff it doesn't know
1:57:57
John C Dvorak: I agree with I mean you you've done your best.
1:57:59
Yes, I have. But you haven't done you haven't gotten all the
1:58:03
way here's, here's the
1:58:04
Adam Curry: problem. Here's the problem with with the phone.
1:58:09
Text messaging was kind of useful, but it's been so
1:58:13
poisoned now. Because, you know, I have Greg Abbott texting me
1:58:19
I've Kamala Harris texting me. I got Joe Biden texting me. And
1:58:24
then they give my number out to all these pig butchers who are
1:58:27
texting me. It's filled and you have to be careful. It's like
1:58:31
hey, you know, this is this is your bank, click here for for an
1:58:36
important message. And before you know it, you know your bank
1:58:38
account is compromised. The two factor authentication there's
1:58:44
there's nothing useful anymore in communication. This is just
1:58:47
not a bureau I use signal. I use telegram I use the what's the
1:58:53
what are the it's all crap. That really is become very useless.
1:59:00
All of this, this. It used to be that you got my phone and then a
1:59:04
couple of people have my number. And if they if you really need
1:59:06
to get a hold of me, you're important in my life. Now you
1:59:10
can have that. Now now because everybody's important. Everybody
1:59:14
has my number that's just sold over and over and over again.
1:59:18
John C Dvorak: Yeah, once it gets out there. I should do
1:59:21
Rogan
1:59:21
Adam Curry: Joe Rogan just buys a new number every like six
1:59:25
months. I know people that do that. Yeah, he just gets in he
1:59:28
gets a whole new phone to just gets a new phone. And he leaves
1:59:31
the leaves the other phone in the you know at home. And then
1:59:35
if I send him a message Oh, dude, yeah, here's my new
1:59:38
number. Or sometimes you'll tell me if he changes the number and
1:59:42
he keeps the old one for a while and then he gets rid of it. Yes,
1:59:45
John C Dvorak: of course a number of people that do that.
1:59:47
So it's a it's a practice a lot of people employ, but then
1:59:50
Adam Curry: I know lots of people who have given up their
1:59:56
number and they got a new number and then they're getting to text
2:00:00
messages from someone's old number and oh yeah,
2:00:02
John C Dvorak: this is a huge problem. And then people because
2:00:05
the old the new number is really somebody else's old number that
2:00:08
they gave up to get a new number, because they're getting
2:00:12
too many messages and now you're stuck with that number getting
2:00:15
weird messages from people you never knew.
2:00:18
Adam Curry: The only solution really is to go into a system
2:00:21
where you pay you pay for the resolution. Yes, I have this
2:00:25
leave it in the drawer. I have no life. Drawer. Yeah.
2:00:30
John C Dvorak: I don't need the aggravation of that. Uh, that's
2:00:32
why the other one I told one of the tellers, he said, Why do you
2:00:36
what happens? How do people get a hold of you say, go home and
2:00:39
get a hold of me on a landline? I'm not a doctor, I don't need
2:00:44
to be gone call 24/7. If I was a heart specialist, or somebody
2:00:49
like that, I would want to carry a phone. Sure, but I'm not. I'm
2:00:53
a podcaster. Nobody needs to get a hold of me.
2:00:57
Adam Curry: My friend is the ER doctor. And he doesn't he
2:01:01
literally does not have a phone at dinner. He did save a little
2:01:04
girl's life the other night and we're having dinner.
2:01:07
John C Dvorak: How do you find out because
2:01:09
Adam Curry: she she walked by him. She's like seven years old.
2:01:12
And he immediately heard something, which was her
2:01:15
choking. And he grabbed her and like, bam, bam, bam, they're
2:01:20
back. Rip whips her head back looks still not love. Boom,
2:01:23
boom, boom. And it popped right out. I was witnessed it. Yes. We
2:01:29
were having dinner with them. It was restaurant. Yes, it was. It
2:01:34
was I've never seen anyone's training and be able to spring
2:01:39
into action like that. And he heard it. She had the little
2:01:42
girls probably gonna try to go around the table to get to her
2:01:45
mom on the other side. And she was just choking. And he heard
2:01:48
that and he immediately knew what to do. I was impressed does
2:01:52
not have a phone with them. Er, Doctor.
2:01:56
John C Dvorak: Er is different than your yet you. Yeah. It's
2:01:59
the same as being an on call. And
2:02:01
Adam Curry: the reason why the reason why is he doesn't want
2:02:04
the hospital to call and say we you need to come in because it's
2:02:07
busy. That's why he doesn't have a phone. But I did find out
2:02:13
something interesting of interest. You know, we have the
2:02:16
big solar eclipse coming up.
2:02:20
John C Dvorak: Yeah. Oh, yeah. The big one, April 8.
2:02:23
Adam Curry: These are things you don't think about, but the
2:02:24
hospital has ordered quite a number of body bags. They're
2:02:30
expecting so many people to come to Fredericksburg. They expect
2:02:34
there to be a number of people more people than normal that
2:02:36
will die and will need a body Ben Oh, just
2:02:39
John C Dvorak: statistics. Yes. Statistics. You got to be
2:02:42
prepared. You gotta have you have people that that logistics
2:02:46
people who work at the hospital that know these things? Hey, we
2:02:50
got to do this. We got to do that. It
2:02:52
Adam Curry: will be it will be great for a local news report so
2:02:54
people wouldn't come to you. You have a statistical chance of
2:02:59
leaving Fredericksburg in a body bad. Please don't come. Don't
2:03:05
visit us at all. Yeah, good luck. Why do people do that for
2:03:09
15 minutes? Why are people coming from all around the
2:03:12
world?
2:03:15
John C Dvorak: What is them when they're there? Get out there
2:03:17
with a microphone and ask him what? Why are you here, dummy.
2:03:20
Adam Curry: And believe me, the phones will not work here. The
2:03:24
phones that we barely get service. The overloaded Yeah, on
2:03:29
the weekends, it already overloaded. All the retailers
2:03:33
they have to go to wired terminals, because the wireless
2:03:37
terminals get overloaded on a Saturday. Because the whole
2:03:40
because that works as a cell network. No, no, no, it's stay
2:03:46
away the
2:03:47
John C Dvorak: end of civilization.
2:03:51
Adam Curry: Oh, well. That's a good point. One of the trolls
2:03:53
says the phone companies will bring in the event trucks. Yeah,
2:03:56
maybe. Maybe. Yeah, they
2:03:58
John C Dvorak: can do that. To do that.
2:03:59
Adam Curry: I'm good. I'm bringing up my ham radio stuff.
2:04:02
I'm sick of it. I need to be prepared. And then where the end
2:04:05
is near.
2:04:06
John C Dvorak: I can take a three parter here with the
2:04:07
Chinese election meddling.
2:04:09
Adam Curry: Oh, I thought it was only Russia that does that. No.
2:04:12
Turns
2:04:13
John C Dvorak: out China does it more than Russia. Okay,
2:04:16
Adam Curry: part one. Yeah.
2:04:18
Unknown: A recent report by the the intelligence community finds
2:04:21
that the Chinese regime tried to meddle in the 2022 midterm
2:04:25
elections. Does it work and what will happen in the 2024
2:04:29
election? Joining us now is Dean Baxendale CEO of China democracy
2:04:33
fund and optimum publishing International. Baxendale just
2:04:38
published a new book, The Mosaic effect, how the Chinese
2:04:41
Communist Party started a hybrid war in America's backyard. Now
2:04:45
there's a declassified US intelligence report that says
2:04:49
China tried to meddle in the 2022 midterm elections in the
2:04:52
US. how seriously should we be taking this?
2:04:56
I think we should be taking this extremely seriously this year.
2:05:00
and the intelligence community are doing a great service for
2:05:03
America, and quite frankly for the free world by declassifying
2:05:07
and making some of these reports available to the public to
2:05:10
understand that malign state governments like Chinese
2:05:14
Communist Party, Russia, Iran, all interfering in elections
2:05:19
around the world. So I would say yes, it's extremely important to
2:05:22
this report, this information is coming out. On that note, the
2:05:26
report notes that China quote tacitly approved efforts to try
2:05:30
to influence a handful of midterm racism voting members of
2:05:33
both US political parties, those are candidates seen as anti
2:05:37
China now, how is China able to influence elections outside of
2:05:41
their own borders? So
2:05:43
as you know, the Chinese Communist Party uses the United
2:05:46
Front work department, globally?
2:05:50
Adam Curry: This is she brings up it kind of an interesting
2:05:52
point without even thinking about it. Both candidates, both
2:05:56
sides hate China, who are they trying to tip the scales for?
2:06:01
John C Dvorak: The people who do our candidates who don't have a
2:06:04
hatred of China and they don't express it deal with threatened
2:06:07
China? You know, the Stooges? Eric Swalwell types of Fangfang
2:06:13
Adam Curry: don't need to go hack him. I just put Fangfang
2:06:15
next to him in bed, or
2:06:17
John C Dvorak: any any woman I think. Yeah, this thing called
2:06:22
the united front. Sounds sketchy. Yeah, you can look it
2:06:26
up. It's in Wikipedia, it's got a story about it here go to part
2:06:29
two,
2:06:29
Unknown: they're running operations. In Canada, the
2:06:32
United States, Mexico, the UK, they have united front people
2:06:38
who will ultimately control various media outlets,
2:06:42
throughout and proxy corporations, especially in
2:06:45
Canada, where we have 56 media outlets that are either
2:06:47
controlled directly or indirectly by the Chinese
2:06:50
Communist Party or proxies, they're attached to the united
2:06:53
front. So they're using their own information within the
2:06:57
Chinese community to change votes or persuade Chinese guys
2:07:02
or community members to vote in a certain way or to view a
2:07:06
politician in a certain way that might be negative towards China,
2:07:11
and therefore, that is one way they would with the influence in
2:07:14
terms directly in the media. The next of course, is social media,
2:07:18
and their use of trolls and bots, Will that continue to put
2:07:22
out disinformation or misinformation? Or do you want
2:07:25
one look at it, and actually exacerbate points of division,
2:07:30
both on the left and the right, that alienate voters and
2:07:34
actually influenced them in voting in particular? Wait
2:07:38
Adam Curry: a minute. The Chinese are using Putin's
2:07:41
playbook?
2:07:43
John C Dvorak: Yes, Chinese playbook. No, it's
2:07:45
Adam Curry: Putin his playbook. I'm not buying any of this. This
2:07:48
is all bull crap. The i Okay. I think we don't need Chinese
2:07:53
helping us argue on social media. Seriously?
2:07:59
John C Dvorak: Well, it might be one of those things where
2:08:00
they're doing stuff because they think it's effective. Well, duh,
2:08:04
is really just a joke. They're just fooling
2:08:06
Adam Curry: themselves that that that cyber front, whatever it's
2:08:09
called, they're, they're united front, united front, they're
2:08:12
stealing money from the Chinese government. They don't need any
2:08:15
of that. Just just post one word Trump and then back away and
2:08:19
Unknown: see what happens to Trump.
2:08:21
Adam Curry: That's all you need.
2:08:22
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that's actually that would work that
2:08:24
does work. Yeah,
2:08:25
Adam Curry: I can get paid for that.
2:08:28
John C Dvorak: Right. You don't need to listen to the last of
2:08:30
this.
2:08:30
Adam Curry: Are you sure I'm enjoying?
2:08:33
John C Dvorak: Okay, go play.
2:08:34
Unknown: And in terms of the United Front Work Department
2:08:36
give us a sense of how does this relate to the Chinese Communist
2:08:39
Party? Is this its own little category? Or is it backed by the
2:08:43
government? So
2:08:44
as you know, the United Front actually is the Department of
2:08:47
the Chinese Communist Party there was over I believe now
2:08:50
there's over the close to 40,000 employees around the world,
2:08:56
their influence operations, both soft power and sharp power
2:09:00
operations inside countries around the globe power to ensure
2:09:05
that China is viewed as a positive and a great nation to
2:09:09
do business with and to ultimately partner with their
2:09:13
propaganda operations. misinformation, disinformation.
2:09:16
Propaganda is just one of the many tools used by the United
2:09:20
Front, you know, throughout the world, you can look at other
2:09:23
elements of the United Front including, you know, direct
2:09:27
political influence operations in terms of bribes or and or
2:09:32
money that's being donated directly into
2:09:35
donated for instance,
2:09:38
or directly into constituencies that may influence a politician
2:09:42
and how he views in particular issue that may be pro or against
2:09:46
the Chinese Communist Party's ambitions.
2:09:48
John C Dvorak: Donate to no agenda. Yeah,
2:09:51
Adam Curry: this is yeah, you know, okay, fine. Fine, aye.
2:09:57
Aye. All of this influence on the The Internet No, none of it.
2:10:02
None of social media is is just the place where you going yell?
2:10:06
Because you're hooked on it because yeah, people are hooked
2:10:09
on it. And it's it's unhealthy.
2:10:12
John C Dvorak: They're hooked to their phone, the phone, same
2:10:14
thing.
2:10:14
Adam Curry: You know, you you brought something up on the last
2:10:18
show the show before that about me stopping smoking weed and how
2:10:21
Mimi thought that was great.
2:10:23
John C Dvorak: And a lot of other people chimed in saying
2:10:25
yes. And
2:10:27
Adam Curry: what's interesting is I have received at least 10
2:10:30
emails 10 that say, Oh, wow, I would like to quit smoking weed
2:10:39
too. How did you do it? This is this is an unexpected response
2:10:42
from our audience that dead. Yeah. So I would like to give a
2:10:46
brief overview of how I did it. I want to
2:10:48
John C Dvorak: be interested in myself even though I don't know
2:10:51
why care. Well,
2:10:52
Adam Curry: one, I had a small incentive, because my
2:10:56
periodontist called and said, Adam, I'm going to operate on
2:10:58
you stop putting fire in your mouth. It makes it harder for me
2:11:02
to operate and harder for you to recover. So I had an incentive.
2:11:05
I've had lots of incentives in the past. But I quit cold
2:11:09
turkey. This is the number one quit cold turkey. Number two, I
2:11:14
vaped. Not in fact, it wasn't it not even nicotine just a vape
2:11:19
mainly for the oral fixation. The process of having something
2:11:24
in my hands. This is this is I found that to be the hardest. I
2:11:27
do want more I'm going to do I'm missing that motion. I also got
2:11:31
a geek vape that's a brand which gives you more to do because you
2:11:36
have to build the coil yourself and put the
2:11:39
John C Dvorak: cotton like, like pipe smokers. Yes,
2:11:41
Adam Curry: yes, very precisely. So part of it for me weed was
2:11:45
the process of roll, I could roll a joint with one hand
2:11:49
behind my back. I mean, while driving no problem. So that
2:11:53
having the process of doing something, I also had a project
2:11:57
to work on because you become very productive very quickly
2:12:01
within a day. And so I set up a Trillium database just have
2:12:07
something to do. I set up a Trillium so I have something I
2:12:12
have a project and final advice
2:12:16
John C Dvorak: has been a bottle might be more appropriate for
2:12:18
most of the puzzle ship
2:12:20
Adam Curry: in a bottle. Have a project like like Lego?
2:12:26
John C Dvorak: Lego? Yeah, Lego.
2:12:28
Adam Curry: Have a partner to keep you in check. Because if
2:12:31
you're alone, that's the worst if you're alone, then the devil
2:12:36
will come and get you and be like well no one's gonna see I'm
2:12:38
just have one toke and and take it one day at a time then one
2:12:42
week and one month and now it's been 14 months.
2:12:45
John C Dvorak: And I worked 18 months I didn't realize it was
2:12:47
that long already. Oh, yeah.
2:12:49
Adam Curry: Yeah, it was it was it was Thanksgiving last year.
2:12:53
So yeah, Dominus
2:12:56
John C Dvorak: longer than I've been off the phone.
2:12:59
Adam Curry: Together we're a catch. We're great guys
2:13:04
together. Alright, sticking with a quitting before we take our
2:13:08
break here. Something very interesting happening for the
2:13:12
holiday season. Via is you thought ozempic was good. It's
2:13:17
holiday season with
2:13:18
Unknown: the holiday season in full swing. Some people who take
2:13:21
drugs use for weight loss such as ozempic are planning a pause
2:13:26
on their prescriptions ahead of celebrations arrow Russia was
2:13:29
back with the details and what to know good morning Ariel Good
2:13:33
morning
2:13:33
again, Robin. As we know many have seen dramatic results
2:13:36
taking this class of medications for weight loss but some say
2:13:39
they need a break for the holidays. Whether it's for a
2:13:41
little indulgence or cost savings. Doctors caution it's a
2:13:45
trade off.
2:13:46
Adam Curry: This is I found this to be interesting. Well
2:13:49
John C Dvorak: I find it to be ridiculous. I thought the whole
2:13:51
idea was your take there was me so you can you can chow down.
2:13:55
No,
2:13:56
Adam Curry: no, I think the reason why people are stopping
2:13:59
is because otherwise you're throwing up all day. You know
2:14:01
it's like you go to have Christmas dinner and I gotta go
2:14:04
take a dump I gotta go puke. I don't feel good.
2:14:07
Unknown: This season for holiday feasting and now some using
2:14:10
medications like ozempic Manjaro and we go V for weight loss say
2:14:14
they're taking a vacation from the drugs
2:14:17
and popular opinion in the semaglutide world. Julie still
2:14:21
Kelly who lost
2:14:22
38 pounds says she's foregoing the appetite suppressing
2:14:25
semaglutide in favor of feeling less uncomfortably full and
2:14:29
fielding fewer questions during festive meals. She skipped her
2:14:33
dose during Thanksgiving. What I
2:14:34
noticed was I was still able to eat the things that I really
2:14:38
wanted to indulge a little bit I just had to be really conscious
2:14:41
about how I was feeling what I was eating how fast I was eating
2:14:46
it
2:14:47
for Kaylee Svenson, who lost 90 pounds on Manjaro. Cutting back
2:14:51
this time of year is a financial decision. A trade off to put
2:14:54
presents under the tree.
2:14:56
It's something that is financially extraordinarily
2:14:59
expensive for our fans. way to afford because our insurance
2:15:01
isn't covering it. I can make a box last six weeks instead of
2:15:05
four that will save me a couple 100 Extra.
2:15:07
Adam Curry: I think this contained a minute. I think this
2:15:09
may be part of the ploy to get this thing on Medicare. Look at
2:15:13
these poor people they put presents under the tree to sack
2:15:22
sacrifice family
2:15:23
Unknown: to afford because our insurance isn't covering it. If
2:15:26
I can make a box last six weeks instead of four that will save
2:15:29
me a couple 100 extra dollars. Kaylee
2:15:31
says her prescription cost her more than $1,000 for for single
2:15:35
use doses. If I
2:15:36
can stretch it for 10 days instead of every week that helps
2:15:39
me push off you know the expense a little bit. Doctors
2:15:44
caution pausing the treatments can come with some side effects
2:15:47
like nausea, increased appetite and weight gain.
2:15:50
If a patient skips their medication for one to two weeks,
2:15:54
there is a potential for them to have some increased side
2:15:57
effects, they might not see those improvements in their
2:15:59
hunger and appetite. Ah,
2:16:02
Adam Curry: here's another part, don't stop taking it.
2:16:05
Unknown: And so they'll inevitably eat more and that may
2:16:07
contribute to some weight gain. And
2:16:09
with all of the temptations this time of year doctors say this
2:16:12
may not be the ideal time to pause treatment if you're hoping
2:16:15
to maintain your progress but a week or so shouldn't set you too
2:16:18
far back guys and there are temptations this time of year.
2:16:22
Adam Curry: God how many people are on this stuff. So I do have
2:16:28
a you have quick two quick boots on the ground notices important
2:16:31
for us to know. I incorrectly stated that semaglutide is out
2:16:41
of patent wrongs as James. He says semaglutide and all other
2:16:49
GLP one agonists are not generic the patent does not expire until
2:16:54
July 17 2026. The compound a GLP one agonists you spoke of our
2:17:01
reverse engineered formulas. There are no generics of ozempic
2:17:06
trulicity or any other GLP one agonist because they are still
2:17:09
patented. The different names of Novo Nordisk products are just
2:17:14
branding for the same drug different doses. Yes, we got
2:17:17
that. And then a second boots on the ground note. And this is
2:17:21
about the cost. I have a client who has just started taking the
2:17:26
compounded versions of semaglutide. We have pharmacy
2:17:29
pharmacists, in our vast boots on the ground army, they add
2:17:33
vitamin B 12 to it, which qualifies it as a new drug. My
2:17:38
client is getting it from a compounding pharmacy in
2:17:40
Pennsylvania. So that's the workaround is yeah, you just get
2:17:44
the you get the semaglutide You throw some beat 12 in new drug,
2:17:47
it's okay. The compounded version comes in a vial and the
2:17:50
patient must use a standard syringe to draw it. That's why
2:17:53
people are overdosing short. The compound version was prescribed
2:17:57
by her PCP primary care physician, I guess. And it's
2:18:01
only $250 A month instead of the typical 1000. The drug sells in
2:18:05
every other country in the world for $30. Yeah, the main reason
2:18:10
for the increased increased price is the PBMs. pharmacy
2:18:15
benefit managers you remember this term? Yep. This is what
2:18:18
Trump went
2:18:19
John C Dvorak: after. Yeah, Trump went after him. And
2:18:21
supposedly Biden did something about it. But there's no
2:18:24
evidence of it. Biden talks a big game, but none of this ever
2:18:26
happens. This is like Biden talking a big game about the
2:18:30
climate change and the rest of them we have more oil production
2:18:33
than ever. Yeah, he's just full of crap. This guy all knows the
2:18:38
theme.
2:18:38
Adam Curry: All of the pharmacy benefit managers are owned by
2:18:41
pharmacies like CVS owns optim RX, they approve or disapprove
2:18:46
the prescribed drug for coverage. Then the PBM jacks up
2:18:49
the price to the patient while sharing the profits with the
2:18:51
parent company. Ultimately, what a deal ultimately,
2:18:57
John C Dvorak: I'm all in ultimately
2:18:59
Adam Curry: it's congress that's to blame. And that's not going
2:19:01
to change because of all the lobbying I mean bribes. Oh damn
2:19:03
greedy bastards. Okay, very good. That's your boots on the
2:19:06
ground. You're screwed.
2:19:08
John C Dvorak: You're screwed. And you will be forever forever.
2:19:11
Adam Curry: And with that, I'd like to thank you for your
2:19:13
courage saying good morning to you the man who put the seat in
2:19:15
the cheating machine say hello to my friend on the other end
2:19:18
the One Only Mr. Johnson
2:19:25
John C Dvorak: in the morning, hello chips. Feet near subs in
2:19:27
the water under names and nights out there we
2:19:29
Adam Curry: are well into the Christmas holiday here Christmas
2:19:32
week which means the trolls will be off and galavanting about
2:19:36
let's have a check. Oh no. 1741 This is not good. This is a very
2:19:47
low troll calm. We have low tea.
2:19:49
John C Dvorak: That's actually not bad. We have I just want to
2:19:52
say we have been hundreds the number we're shoot for on
2:19:54
Thursday. We have low Tuesday.
2:19:56
Adam Curry: We have low tea though. We do have low today.
2:19:58
Today. Today's So, today's Thursday, I think, today's
2:20:04
Thursday,
2:20:04
John C Dvorak: so 1750 is fine. Okay.
2:20:08
Adam Curry: Thank goodness. Thank goodness. Well, you can
2:20:11
join the trolls in the troll room troll room.io also known as
2:20:15
no agenda stream.com It's a live stream 24/7 It's pretty cool. We
2:20:20
got a lot of podcasts there a lot of people doing live
2:20:23
podcasts, which you can enjoy there with the streaming the
2:20:27
streaming audio. We
2:20:28
John C Dvorak: do that on the Devorah core with some plugged.
2:20:30
Adam Curry: Yes. May I give you props, by the way, for the
2:20:33
DeVore Ichor if you predicted some kind of weird buy out with
2:20:38
with was a Disney no never is covering. Yeah. And the next day
2:20:43
they announced that there's some merger or something. Yeah,
2:20:46
John C Dvorak: well, no, they're in talks with Paramount. Yeah,
2:20:48
Adam Curry: but you you called it
2:20:51
John C Dvorak: astonishing.
2:20:53
Adam Curry: You got some weird insider transaction that was
2:20:56
like, No, it's like it was a screwball
2:20:58
John C Dvorak: one too. It was weird. It was very strange.
2:21:00
Yeah, he had to go back listen to the show you go.
2:21:02
Adam Curry: So yeah, so you can hear DH unplugged on Tuesdays.
2:21:06
You guys go live what eight o'clock? Eight o'clock Eastern
2:21:09
nine o'clock Eastern. I can't remember what time What time is
2:21:12
it for you when you start? Seven is 10 o'clock Eastern know that?
2:21:15
Oh, yeah. 1010 Eastern There you go. Yeah, when seven o'clock?
2:21:18
Yeah, this is fun. I always love listening to you guys. You know
2:21:23
nothing about Bitcoin, by the way should stay away from that.
2:21:27
John C Dvorak: We know nothing about Bitcoin we just don't like
2:21:29
Adam Curry: you don't like what I know. I know. That's that's
2:21:32
very clear. So you can also and this is what we recommend is get
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a modern podcast app, you can find that at podcast apps.com.
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Because not just for our show. But there are many podcasts that
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you may like that will suddenly just disappear if you're using
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Apple or Spotify. Spotify is taking away podcasts on a daily
2:21:56
basis. They just cancel people and I haven't tracked apple but
2:22:00
they do the same thing. They get a call something's not right,
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whatever the any of this is gone. And that will not happen
2:22:07
with a modern podcast app. In addition to that, you will get a
2:22:10
notification within 90 seconds of us publishing the show that
2:22:14
has been updated. We have chapter images, we have
2:22:17
transcripts which you can search in which is very handy. Like oh,
2:22:21
there's something that show what to find. There's all these
2:22:23
benefits that you get and is completely open source and a
2:22:27
bunch of cool people make it
2:22:28
John C Dvorak: so now I want to give a benefit out to one of our
2:22:32
longtime producers. And I don't want to give his his email out
2:22:37
but I'm going to do it. Patrick may calm Sir Patrick may 15 $50
2:22:44
Every show forever. And he's in New York. I think Sir Patrick
2:22:47
makeup? Yes. No, I got laid off after 10 years for my tech job
2:22:51
because he quit he quit. He quit his donation and I sent him a
2:22:55
note I said what happened? I got laid off. 10 years from my tech
2:22:58
job I resumed donating in want to get a new gig right before
2:23:03
Christmas. He was he was there forever. Last day is early
2:23:07
January, we'll spend the holiday working on my resume. Let me
2:23:10
know if anyone needs someone with 10 plus years of code
2:23:13
experience 20 plus years of front end plus eight years of
2:23:18
back end development plus five years of blockchain three plus
2:23:22
three that have something else I can't figure out what he's
2:23:26
somebody yatta yatta yatta Keep up the great work. Email Patrick
2:23:30
may calm pa t ric kmacom@gmail.com I have
2:23:38
Adam Curry: two pieces of advice for Ben I think he's a service
2:23:41
you know thank you sir patch Oh yeah, he said probably a barren
2:23:45
two piece of advice a put in three years of AI experience
2:23:49
please just do it and just do it just throw it in to consider
2:23:53
image makers inc.com That's image makers Inc with a k.com.
2:24:00
My job this is a value for value podcast. Speaking of value for
2:24:08
value, the I heard something that you have not promoted yet
2:24:12
on this show, which I maybe you felt that was out of place. But
2:24:18
it seems the success of too many eggs.com there is now a new book
2:24:24
from gate view publishing, which I believe is titled The ABCs of
2:24:29
stock investing.
2:24:31
John C Dvorak: Yeah, there you get the PDF there at gate view
2:24:34
publishing.com.
2:24:38
Adam Curry: Explain what it is because I liked I like your
2:24:41
John C Dvorak: kids book. It's a kids book with ABCs and each one
2:24:45
of the ABCs has some sort of some some investment term for
2:24:52
kids. With illustrations with illustration with a yeah
2:24:56
illustrations.
2:24:57
Adam Curry: Nice cute Um, I like your little publishing Empire
2:25:02
you guys are putting together
2:25:03
John C Dvorak: yeah, there. Yeah. And I would recommend, by
2:25:06
the way, since we're actually in negotiations with another
2:25:09
publisher to do for the AIG book for them to take over the
2:25:12
distribution rights, if that happens, the I'm pretty sure on
2:25:17
this, I could talk him out of it, the PDF will end up going
2:25:21
away. So I recommend, which I think is I have my arguments for
2:25:26
why you should PDF all these products. But
2:25:28
Adam Curry: you know, this sounds suspiciously like an exit
2:25:30
strategy. Jhansi Dvorak?
2:25:33
John C Dvorak: No, no. And so it's it's a, it's a tax
2:25:36
strategy. Oh, and so, anyway, too many eggs.com that PDF file,
2:25:42
grab a copy just for your own good, that's
2:25:45
Adam Curry: too bad. Because I was thinking, Can we not do our
2:25:48
value for value book and have that we're
2:25:50
John C Dvorak: gonna do it. It's on the list. We got to do three
2:25:52
books next year. But
2:25:53
Adam Curry: can we export and we don't have an exit strategy? Can
2:25:56
I can I do this? Wait a minute, wait a minute. Can I do my own
2:25:59
old can I do my I was an MTV guidebook. Can we absolutely
2:26:04
held hostage by my hair? You know, stuff like that? Oh,
2:26:08
John C Dvorak: great title.
2:26:09
Adam Curry: Thank you. I want to exit John, I've done we need to
2:26:12
be planning for the future.
2:26:15
John C Dvorak: Just the thought well, with these kinds of
2:26:17
donations, which, for example, we had this promotion I pitched
2:26:22
about earlier, the shelf. Promotion was great. 1618. What
2:26:28
is it called? The Golden Golden Ratio, Golden Ratio, he got a
2:26:33
total of three donations for $16.18. A little less than, you
2:26:40
know, a typical promotion. Definitely doesn't keep up with
2:26:43
the Ph. D. program.
2:26:45
Adam Curry: There was no But uh, yeah, yeah, up me. I want this
2:26:48
face it. People don't like math. They don't like the golden
2:26:54
ratio, like the golden ratio. And that's okay. We've had other
2:26:57
flops, the golden ratio gets no respect. So we have this whole
2:27:02
concept. I actually went on a Twitter spaces the other day.
2:27:06
Oh, god, that was rough. You know what I did at Twitter
2:27:09
spaces, spaces, spaces,
2:27:12
John C Dvorak: spaces.
2:27:13
Adam Curry: It's like a chat room with on voice with a whole
2:27:16
bunch of people on Twitter. And but I had to install the app.
2:27:21
John C Dvorak: It'd be dreadful.
2:27:22
Adam Curry: Well, you. Yeah, it is. You have to install the app.
2:27:27
And then you get called up on stage.
2:27:30
Unknown: Oh, God.
2:27:35
Adam Curry: I was explaining value for value, which is always
2:27:38
fun. You said we've been doing this for 16 years. So it works.
2:27:41
People get with the program. Listen to our donation segment.
2:27:44
People love us. Then it's about the feedback loop. You got to
2:27:47
get to read the notes. You got to tell people you got to get to
2:27:50
thank people. It's very smart, then it's not just money. It's
2:27:54
time talent or treasure. That's the important part. Because we
2:27:59
technically have made more by spending less. Now building
2:28:05
website, can you imagine if we had to build our own website?
2:28:08
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Or
2:28:11
John C Dvorak: hire artists to do the art of
2:28:13
Adam Curry: well, you You led me right to it? Or how about a
2:28:17
combo of that? What if you had a guy who built a place where
2:28:20
artists could upload? And, and okay, so sometimes things go
2:28:27
wrong and it breaks. But Sir Paul couture, not only did he
2:28:32
fix no agenda art generator.com But he upgraded it. We can you
2:28:36
imagine the meeting we have to have with our provider? Hey, we
2:28:40
would like a refresh of no agenda art generator.com They'd
2:28:45
be piling on the bills. That
2:28:48
John C Dvorak: mean a million dollar site if it was going to
2:28:51
be $6 million.
2:28:53
Adam Curry: Bev has to have meetings all kinds of horrible
2:28:57
things we don't like and so what do we get we get a beautiful new
2:29:01
site from Sir Paul
2:29:02
John C Dvorak: you know, what's interesting about the site I'd
2:29:03
go say this now as far as I'm concerned is original site was
2:29:07
fine. Because I'm one of those it's fine. Yeah. graded it to
2:29:13
the headless Drupal wherever the last one was, and it was just a
2:29:16
such an improvement. It was unbelievable. And so then he
2:29:19
goes I said, Well, what do you got? Why would you improve that?
2:29:25
Course you know me, I'm the one with the divorce.org/and That's
2:29:30
Adam Curry: fine. Have blink tags and red ball dark. I don't
2:29:33
have blink
2:29:35
John C Dvorak: or cats running across the screen. But I could
2:29:39
imagine Yes, so did he upgrades to this ridiculously modern site
2:29:44
is like beyond you. I mean, this guy should be working for I
2:29:49
don't know who But IBM are some was some big money outbreak. I
2:29:54
mean, it's so modern. It is very, I mean, the other one was
2:29:58
modern. The one before that was modern. But to keep up and make
2:30:02
it modern, on top of modern, and if
2:30:04
Adam Curry: you notice little things like the artists icon is
2:30:07
in there, you know, the artist profile page shows up in the
2:30:11
artwork. It has just has all kinds of metadata. Whoo, that's
2:30:16
expensive metadata is It is phenomenal. And it's a little
2:30:22
slow. But I think that's just you know, he'll be good
2:30:26
optimize. And it just it has leaderboards, it has all the
2:30:31
artists profiles. You load up the page, it shows you how many
2:30:36
images 31.1 1000 images, how many artists 1400 artists?
2:30:42
John C Dvorak: This is great. Oh, yes, every artist. Yeah,
2:30:45
Adam Curry: thank you, Sir Paul couture. We really appreciate if
2:30:48
you see Paul, you know, go hug him. Might give him a big hug.
2:30:52
He
2:30:52
John C Dvorak: needs it.
2:30:53
Adam Curry: Give him a hug. Yeah, it took him a couple of
2:30:56
weeks. You know, he had the crash last month. Yeah. But you
2:31:00
know what's beautiful about it? We just like, okay, that's fine.
2:31:03
Because it's value for values. Like you wouldn't have to get
2:31:06
mad. I'd have to be calling John. Like you hired the guy.
2:31:09
You finish. You fix it.
2:31:13
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that's actually what happens.
2:31:16
Especially with psychos like you
2:31:18
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. Oh, no, call me a psycho. Okay.
2:31:21
John C Dvorak: This was reminds me of the This is Adam back in
2:31:24
the day at at me, you know, whatever was a bad show
2:31:29
originally. Okay, here we go real casually smoking dope. He's
2:31:34
not in the office that much. But he's there once in a while. So
2:31:37
he sent me this. He's very lackadaisical. Yeah, even
2:31:40
people, you know, people should put in a full day's work and I
2:31:43
don't see a big deal by coming in on time. Or, you know, you
2:31:47
just gotta get in there. Do what you have to do and and get out.
2:31:49
So one day we decided to go he he decided to go in front of the
2:31:54
office. As people are coming in late streaming in late. With him
2:32:01
standing there going us make it smell dope.
2:32:05
Adam Curry: I was still smoking dope, dope. Oh,
2:32:07
John C Dvorak: I'm glad you can make it. Oh, did you check the
2:32:09
time? What what time? Is it? Oh, good. I'm glad you could come
2:32:11
in. I'm glad you came in. And I was giving him grief. And I
2:32:15
Adam Curry: was standing there with you. We were I was
2:32:18
flabbergasted. It got to the point where people just showed
2:32:23
up at noon. Like, come on people. We have an office for
2:32:28
this is not COVID it was way before COVID. Anyway, anyway,
2:32:32
John C Dvorak: by the way, the mention of the of the Art
2:32:36
Generator brought it to its knees once again. Of course.
2:32:41
Adam Curry: No agenda art generator.com. Thank you, Sir
2:32:42
Paul couture. And thank you to Dame Kenny Ben, who brought us
2:32:47
the outstanding artwork for episode 1617. We titled that
2:32:51
torque in Russians, which we we both thought that was a good
2:32:54
title. And the hohoho ozempic Santa Claus that got lots of
2:33:01
traction. People thought that was hilarious. That it was
2:33:05
hilarious. And it's not often that you get such a compact,
2:33:10
beautiful, just a nugget of of beauty. You know, with with it
2:33:16
was a takeoff it was a parody. It was well, well illustrated.
2:33:20
It was the whole thing was was professional. Again, something
2:33:25
we could never have afforded you. Can you imagine Hey, can
2:33:28
you we got to this title is torque and Russians, can you
2:33:30
whip up an image for us? That, by the way, has nothing to do
2:33:33
with torquing? Russians? Oh, what? You didn't listen to the
2:33:35
show? No, because what are artists do? They're listening to
2:33:39
the show and they're doing the stuff on the fly. It's amazing.
2:33:43
It is a true testament to value for value. And we are incredibly
2:33:47
grateful to all of our artists. Someone that said, You're being
2:33:51
performative.
2:33:54
John C Dvorak: When I say does that mean? Well, nice regard it
2:33:57
Adam Curry: on the last show, I said we'd like to thank that.
2:34:00
That's performative. Just say thank you. That's a good point.
2:34:05
Politicians do that.
2:34:06
John C Dvorak: So thank you, if you would like to say about
2:34:09
that.
2:34:09
Adam Curry: Yeah. That's another one. Thank you, artists. Thank
2:34:12
thank all of you. And especially Dame Kenny, Ben, we appreciate
2:34:16
you so much. Now let's go to the treasure part of the value for
2:34:19
value model. This is where we thank our executive and
2:34:21
Associate Executive producers and everybody who supported us
2:34:24
with monetary donations up to we are down to $50. And this is
2:34:31
really the stuff that keeps us going and we start off with a
2:34:35
MCI we have a handwritten note here from Emily Andrews, and she
2:34:40
is in Salina, Texas. And it come up with a whopping 1465 I'm
2:34:47
loading her note which is handwritten. And she says Dear
2:34:50
John, Adam, I last donated with a shout out with a with a short
2:34:54
thank you and you guys seemed Haven't seen something that the
2:35:04
note wasn't longer, though seemed down the note was so
2:35:08
Okay, so she decided to write a longer note. I'm writing the why
2:35:12
I originally heard about you guys from mo fax. I really
2:35:15
appreciate listening to you guys over COVID hearing about KNC
2:35:18
capital and getting some laughs in about the state of affairs
2:35:23
instead of agonizing over yes that's what we do. The check is
2:35:27
a percentage of my annual bonus from my employer. Wow, that's
2:35:31
some tithing right there. That's
2:35:32
John C Dvorak: the way to do it.
2:35:33
Adam Curry: i Oh, what are we drinking? Polar seltzer? Boring
2:35:38
brings up good next show. I consider your show to be a
2:35:43
ministry and appreciate your genuine efforts to shepherd the
2:35:47
divine flock God has brought to your podcast Wow. For giggles I
2:35:51
listened to podcast one to 20 That's episode 120. Adam, I can
2:35:57
hear the evidence of work the work God has done in you God
2:36:01
bless you both your sister in Christ Emily Andrews. aihole He
2:36:05
was That's right. It's It's so true. Notice I don't cuss? I've
2:36:09
stopped that.
2:36:11
Unknown: Yeah, well that's yeah.
2:36:12
Adam Curry: And and in fact, people have noticed that you've
2:36:15
costing more
2:36:17
John C Dvorak: I because I think there's a cuss cost balance ACUs
2:36:21
median that we have to achieve to have the proper cost balance
2:36:26
Adam Curry: you have so there's so many bright okay, I
2:36:28
John C Dvorak: didn't cuss on today's show at all. No, you
2:36:30
did. And I usually just cut for effect you cussed as part of
2:36:34
your vocabulary that was Yeah,
2:36:36
Adam Curry: I did it a lot actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:36:40
John C Dvorak: Well we have your I have I
2:36:42
Adam Curry: have people emailing so thank you now I don't I can
2:36:45
listen around my kids again. Except for that clip you brought
2:36:51
Thank you Emily. The kids love their kids
2:36:55
John C Dvorak: understand cutting jobs. Good luck with
2:36:58
that. Europe No, I'm sorry dude named Ralph comes up next and
2:37:04
he's in with 550 which is nice in Miami, Florida. John and Adam
2:37:10
thank you for the outstanding work you do on no agenda the
2:37:12
magical combination of YouTube and the incredible new agenda
2:37:15
producers make this show the best podcast in the universe.
2:37:19
Inspired by something wise John said I reviewed my donation
2:37:25
history and I happily discovered that the PhD contribution also
2:37:28
contribute qualify me for title of Baron I would like to be
2:37:32
known as the Baron dude name by the way, just to stop right
2:37:36
here. There's a number of people and there's a list of them on
2:37:39
the no agenda rings.com site who've gotten there got the PhD
2:37:44
during the promotion is promotions over and they've
2:37:47
never sent in the details of where they want the diploma sent
2:37:52
or anything else Oh, please go and do that. Before the printer
2:37:57
breaks inspired by blah blah blah they can be known as barren
2:38:03
dude named after the suburban South Florida. I would like
2:38:06
Mohit toes and let China Sato Cuban style roasted pig for the
2:38:12
roundtable. I got it. I made two Christmas donations today to
2:38:16
share 550 from a
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Adam Curry: work bonus again again work bonus beautiful work
2:38:21
bonus,
2:38:22
John C Dvorak: no agenda and 1618 for a show number donation
2:38:26
I humbly request jobs Carmody Helton knows for a show number
2:38:29
donation and not that magic circle. I humbly request jobs
2:38:33
comedy helped me as I embark on the next chapter of my career
2:38:36
respectfully dude named Ralph. Magic
2:38:39
Adam Curry: Circle is called the Golden Ratio. Magic Circle jobs,
2:38:43
Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs. That's our money
2:38:51
Adam Curry: and we got Lacey be in Lake Mills Wisconsin. 333 33
2:38:56
favorite donation number Merry Christmas. Happy New Year to you
2:38:58
John Adam and to your better halves, the back office, your
2:39:01
loved ones and all have no agenda nation and jingle bingo
2:39:05
to the OBD M crossover crowd. This donation puts me over the
2:39:09
mark to qualify as a dame the title Dame Lucy will suffice. I
2:39:13
talk too much in real life. So I keep this note short. Thank you
2:39:16
for your courage, love and light to all Lacey B Lake Mills
2:39:19
Wisconsin. Thank you. Thank you very much Lacey B.
2:39:23
John C Dvorak: Alright, so I have to finally say hit it just
2:39:26
right. I have to take a quick look at the note listener
2:39:31
Adam Curry: keep talking in the mic though because you're
2:39:33
dropping out. I
2:39:35
John C Dvorak: am got CIM a turbo turbo turbo Tim. Three,
2:39:42
three 3.33 And I don't have a location for him. But I do have
2:39:46
a note which has been which is which has been m turbo
2:39:53
handwritten note that on a piece of Bri hole punch student paper
2:39:59
in Morning John and Adam. I finally gotten my rear in gear
2:40:03
on and here I sent you to some much deserved treasure please de
2:40:09
douche me.
2:40:11
Unknown: You've been de deuced I just
2:40:14
John C Dvorak: realized that episode 1617 adds up to 33. And
2:40:19
I'll be 33 on the 22nd of this month. I knew it was time. Nice.
2:40:26
So that's interesting. We could have cut that to 1617. Yeah,
2:40:29
another way when it made a difference. Mike, the wood watch
2:40:33
guy introduced me to your show about three years ago, I worked
2:40:37
for a forklift repair company in Detroit for over eight years as
2:40:41
a mobile forklift and diesel engine repair technician. It's a
2:40:45
good job. Yes, they kept getting on my ass about my mask. So I
2:40:51
wrote in big letters. You're a slave across the front and wore
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it proudly to every customer location as I went from, from
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spark conversations, and wow went to spark conversations and
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spew truth for you, man. Yeah, like that's ballsy. I quit after
2:41:12
refusing to take the jab and started my own small forklift
2:41:17
and diesel truck repair business then moved to Capek, Michigan
2:41:21
Hey
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Adam Curry: pack a pack
2:41:24
John C Dvorak: the plan to so electric the plan to go Electric
2:41:28
is hilarious because our world literally functions because of
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diesel. The EPA has had had an American hold on has has a has a
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hard on Oh harder for a diesel but not in other countries.
2:41:44
Anyone who hears DPF def and engine D rate will be triggered
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by this totally crap they make you put in the course. Yeah,
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pigs urine. Yeah, pig urine. Just yeah. Unbelievable. This is
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my first start to knighthood. And if I have any questions
2:42:01
about the diesel industry feel, feel free to email me that's
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nice. I bet you're doing very well. In your little own your
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own company. John is pronounced K Pak. As Adam just told me,
2:42:13
please send it send the sparkplug Oh, he sent Oh, he
2:42:19
sent to spark plug keychains Oh, and he sent these little
2:42:25
trinkets. I have to say they're pretty cute. But I didn't. I
2:42:29
didn't get mine. Because I have it I have yours that people send
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them to me and he they have to wait till they accumulate and
2:42:35
they'll send you a box. And so the whole package smelled like
2:42:41
every pair garage. And I snapped I saved Chase if this guy if
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this guy is a repairman. No doubt about it.
2:42:51
Adam Curry: Let me give you a little tip. If Jhansi Dvorak
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ever comes up to you and says, Hey, sniff this walk away. Walk
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away. But you'd like that. Yes. Well, that's cool, man. Thank
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you so much. And I also want to thank everyone who sent all
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these beautiful things to the PIO box. I got fudge I got the
2:43:12
coffee. I got the coffee from those guys. Gigawatt gigawatt
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guys
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John C Dvorak: yeah the fudge the Okay, the fudge came in who
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I know of I don't have the note here on the fudge. I got the
2:43:23
fudge fudge came in kind of as a mess but I have to say this if
2:43:29
you can dig through there and find the peanut butter divinity
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Oh, okay. It border light border this border line. Unbelievable.
2:43:41
Yeah, I believe Yeah, like makes a Reese's peanut butter you
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wouldn't ever have another one Yeah, Google they Nailed it.
2:43:49
Nailed it. The rest of the stuff is good but these the peanut
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whoever that I like to get that recipe
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Adam Curry: I got sir scoops I got your big box of of your your
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pirate to your pirate show. I got
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John C Dvorak: stuff from diesel.
2:44:06
Adam Curry: No, I didn't get it from DS. I did get some death.
2:44:09
Death demand. No, no. Oh, yes. Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah, that's
2:44:13
right. Yeah, and start and stickers and magnets and all
2:44:18
kinds of stuff. And I also got, I got a huge pack from the
2:44:23
anonymous air traffic controller. Oh, goodness. Oh,
2:44:27
goodness. I don't think he should have sent me that stuff.
2:44:30
He's got stuff about see 130 shooting lasers down to the
2:44:35
ground. There really? Yeah. At the FAA. You know, send out
2:44:39
memos like hey, you know if you guys have every right to tell
2:44:43
the C 130 with a laser to not shoot the laser. Alright.
2:44:47
Thanks. I got a pastor who says thank you for not cussing, and
2:44:53
got Lindsey who says it's been a joy to listen to the podcast
2:44:57
with my 11 year old now. It's not as explicit as it used to Be
2:45:01
Thanks, John for that clip set for the dog. But yeah. Well,
2:45:06
that's funny. That's funny. Just so many things. Thank you all so
2:45:10
much. It was it was amazing to go to the PIO box. I couldn't
2:45:14
believe all the stuff that that everybody is sent to. So nice.
2:45:17
And also thank you to Ryan Powell from Edward Washington.
2:45:20
333. By the way,
2:45:22
John C Dvorak: when one more thing I wonder, do we ever think
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the guy who sent us the flight, the Air Force One jackets? Yeah,
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yeah. Oh, we did. Oh, sure. We just logged in as a dynamite
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jacket. By the
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Adam Curry: way his son got that his son, son got those for us.
2:45:38
Yeah. Ryan Powell 333 says for my wife's 50th birthday on the
2:45:43
18th so it's a switcheroo. I'm still a douchebag but Christmas
2:45:46
is coming soon. Thanks, guys. So he doesn't want to be do she
2:45:50
just wants it for his wife and he doesn't give us her name. So
2:45:55
we'll just say Mrs. Powell.
2:45:57
John C Dvorak: Mrs. Powell. Mrs. Powell. says what we'll do Eric
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go wielka in Auburn, Alabama. I ATM the citizen Adam and
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citizens. John. I just had a pop up hold on a second pop up.
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Yeah. Pop Up. Outstanding show he continues. Hope you have a
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Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. So sure. Eric. That's a
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great no for $333 How
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Adam Curry: can you I haven't had a pop up since 1988. It's a
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it's an official title, and it's good for your life. Thank you
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for producing episode 1618. John is going to take us through the
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50s
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John C Dvorak: starting with Sir Sir Shawn McCune 170 39 And he
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is in the Allegheny Valley. Mark Middleton in Safety Harbor,
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Florida. 120 Dan Malley in Fremont, California right down
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the street 113 Scott Lapierre in South Glastonbury, Connecticut
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11235 I think he needs a B douching.
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New York at 833.
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Adam Curry: And he says please break for a night major jobs
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Carmen needed. We do break for nights both my wife and I are
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attempting to gain new employment, sell our home and
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move to the Free State of New Hampshire away from New York
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with a newborn. Much appreciated Gen Z Yes. We'll do that in a
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moment. Sir broth. Kevin
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John C Dvorak: McLaughlin Concord, North Carolina 808.
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Roswell. New Mexico. Yes. 7777 Yes. Marshall Bennett and Hart
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field Virginia 7545 is now a knight Yes. And now you lessor
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ball peen the hammer and he wants a young lady young lager
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and
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Adam Curry: serve berserkers head he's there you can grab it
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yourself. I'm not gonna rip
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John C Dvorak: it Amina bishop in Mission BC mission BC Canada
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75 Knees a couple of D douching.
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Unknown: You've been de deuced
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John C Dvorak: that one for her and then we go to Eduardo Bishop
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also in Mission BC $75. Another D douching.
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Unknown: You've been D deuced.
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John C Dvorak: Kyle plus Pachi ACK Pachi ask Pachi ask pod G
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Chicago, our buddy in Chicago 606 small boobs with Kevin
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McLaughlin 606 with a little jingle or whatever you want to
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Avital 60 Sir jab Java in Elkton, Florida. 57 as a
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North Carolina 5510 Brian Rogers in Medford, New York. John you
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seem to be a net he writes. We don't read these notes normally.
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John, you seem to be an expert on native ads. I find it
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interesting that every time you open a can of polar all wore a
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natural seltzer you talk about it for exactly 30 seconds.
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Coincidence? I think not. You
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Adam Curry: taking deals on the side man.
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Unknown: I wish right?
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John C Dvorak: You have cases of this stuff gadget freaks 10 and
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Western Springs, Illinois 50. These are all 50s Now we're
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gonna do 50s name and location, starting with gadget frequent,
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Luke Olsen and Alexandria Virginia. Coal quarry Bennett in
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Denver, Colorado Scott lavandera buddy in Montgomery, Texas,
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Chris Cowan in Austin, Texas. Fletcher Scaife, fat escapee in
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Williston, North Dakota, Andrew gusik. Sir Andrew B. exact in
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Greensboro, North Carolina, Matt Illingworth in Montclair, New
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Jersey. Susan hunt in Leola Pennsylvania needs a D douching.
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On her dad, Mark Anderson
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Unknown: D deuced.
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John C Dvorak: for it as for her, we can say, Nicolas, root
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of itch in Harpers Ferry, West Virginia. Daniel, sir Daniel
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laboy in Bath, Michigan and last on our list. Our favorite sir
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Johnny bananas in Tinley Park, Illinois want to thank all these
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couple of notes to read before we get into our birthdays and
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our meetups. Tonight notes because we have some nice things
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this is from Bernie Glyn he says I nearly choked on my mac and
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cheese recently when I discovered that you clowns would
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honor a knighthood status if I paid in Australia Australian
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dollars well easy with the mac and cheese man since I've paid
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well more than paid well more than 800 US dollars over the
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years which calculates to 1194 point 39 australian dollar
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reduce I hereby claim knighthood status yes that's correct. If
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this makes me a black knight it doesn't. I would like to I'd
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like to be known as Sir best Boyd of Blair MT is not going to
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will be there Bernie Lim and a note from Chris palamos. Who
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John C Dvorak: Chris atmosphere is not that easy to come by
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Chris or Christ
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Adam Curry: or anything. It's Chris palmos we think he goes by
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Christ Chris but I think by Chris and then a very happy
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John C Dvorak: It does work sometimes.
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Adam Curry: Yeah. And I think he reversed it because you know, he
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was afraid of getting the lesbian face so thank you. Thank
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you all very much for supporting the no agenda Show episode 1618
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We appreciate you Executive Associate exec
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turned 50 on the 18th Dame Courtney Scarlett V Chicago Kate
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Adam Curry: Okay, which one do we start with?
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John C Dvorak: Start with decide.
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Adam Curry: That's pretty good. And I wouldn't say that normally
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Adam Curry: on. It's funny. It's fantastic.
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some news.
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John C Dvorak: I have to get. I have to sort through them. And
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so I picked this one. This is a woman who this is just one of
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those heart. This is a good news story about a woman who got
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graduated and she and she graduated with her baby with
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her. And this was cute.
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Unknown: And it was another special graduation day at Ferris
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State University over the weekend. A woman graduated
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walking across the stage with her newborn baby nestled into
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her now, Grace Szymczak was supposed to have a C section
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today. Actually, it said baby girl Annabelle came 10 days
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early. Grace said she had been working hard at her degree in
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early childhood education. She wasn't letting anything stop her
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from walking on graduation day. That just meant she had
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Annabelle strapped into her baby carrier with her the whole time.
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And
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I kind of hope it inspires another mom to like go back to
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school and like show that she can do it too. I hope to see her
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walk across the stage one day to whichever college or university
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she chooses. without me having to carry her and
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she says baby Annabelle actually did very well and did not fuss
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the entire ceremony. Now Grace will be teaching full time with
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preschoolers at a strong Beginnings program in Traverse
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City. I
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really give her a lot of credit. You're
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you talk to her. I
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mean, she's pretty incredible.
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I honestly I'm just shocked that the newborn baby was calm that
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entire ceremony because those can be really long ceremonies.
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That's very impressive. But what a great memory for him really?
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Oh,
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Adam Curry: a great memory. And it's so politically incorrect
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because you know, it's a birthing person, not a mom. So I
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like that about the clip. I thought that was excellent. And
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you know, Jay was just that was a wholesome clip. Very good. It
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made me find that one. Did you find that one?
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John C Dvorak: She found that one but there was something in
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there that to me was disconcerting that may or may or
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disconcerting. disconcert it may or may not be noticeable. But
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how she has the baby 10 days before she's scheduled to have a
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C section. I
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Adam Curry: know that's weird, isn't it?
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John C Dvorak: Say guy yeah, you're gonna have weed looks
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like this be your due date. We're gonna give you a C
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section. This is today's modern hospital environment. They just
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see sex. Money
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Adam Curry: extra naughty women money. Money is more money.
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Yeah, you
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John C Dvorak: get a man you get him out. It costs more perfect.
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Adam Curry: Another good news story.
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Unknown: A good news story from JCD happy vibes for you and me.
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And we all feel better. Now he's done his bit. To back to
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reality. That's turning to shit. Good
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Adam Curry: news. Every single no agenda show everybody our
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feet are wrapped in good news. And we love it that way. And
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that concludes our deconstruction date, which we
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love doing for you. We enjoy it very much. And we thank you for
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exit strategy. But to be honest, we're always looking at some
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great value from our end of show mixers. Jesse Coyne Nelson, che
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Z and Sir Michael Anthony. That'll be the last one. I
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guarantee you. It's not AI. It's just sort of Michael Anthony.
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John C Dvorak: No, he's talented guy.
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Adam Curry: That's what I mean. No AI can can rack it up against
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John C Dvorak: And I'm from Northern Silicon Valley where it
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I'm John C. Dvorak. We return
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Merry Christmas, Mofo
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spacey and Jared from Subway. The most famous rapist of all
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found him with politicians for his ready to begin flew all love
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the deep state assets. Were afraid if he's already noticed
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they didn't want their sex crimes posted to the internet.
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So one moggy New York night, the Glen den cartel K glitched in
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the guards naps while Jeffrey Epstein's neck was then all the
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media coverage. sad it was a mystery. You're not allowed to
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protest and we're blaming China Merry Christmas to filthy animal
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Oh global citizens visit Santa Klaus I am checking my list to
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see who is being naughty or nice. According to ESG first
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punishment will be for the climate change deniers if you
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are not eat Do not worry. We will not put a lump of coal in
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your stocking coal is made of carbon and carbon is bought in
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by ESG. So we will just take your stocking wounds or other
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gifts you will get nothing or be happy. Another tradition is a
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leaving of cookies on the middle class and these cookies must be
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100% Vegan owns a milk must be soy milk under ESG will be no
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more cow milk wound of course no more meat. You may also leave
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for Santa's cookies made basic like get flour with a glass of
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cockroach milk but even I will not eat this. You will eat this
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maybe not this year, maybe not next year, but we still have
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plenty of time to implement agenda 2030 So now is the
3:13:42
opportunity for giving hugs exchanging gifts and eating that
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makes them most sustainable freedom Visalia still got it V.
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World Economic Forum Wish You a Merry Christmas and a Happy New
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vote. So long. Oh, Fida saying good luck.
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