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August 13th, 2023 • 3h 6m

1581: Quippy

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Unknown: his dad Bubblicious Adam curry Jhansi Devora August
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13 2023. This
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Adam Curry: is your award winning give our nation media
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assassination episode 1581.
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Unknown: This is no agenda
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Adam Curry: back in the lowlands and broadcasting live parallel
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to runway two, seven and Schiphol Airport in the
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Netherlands in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry,
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John C Dvorak: and from Northern Silicon Valley where I can tell
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that the sheep pole connection ain't what it used to be. I'm
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Jhansi Dvorak. Raglan Buzzkill.
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Adam Curry: Oh, is it a bad connection?
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John C Dvorak: It's not a good one. Oh, it's okay. If you can
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hear me. I can hear you. Yeah, you sound great.
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Adam Curry: Good. Oh, so it's cracking up. It's messing up.
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John C Dvorak: cracks up on on modulation. Oh, so what I'm
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excited, you me? Know is when you're playing it loud clip.
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Adam Curry: Okay, well, I'll try to back it off a little bit just
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for you. Sorry.
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John C Dvorak: I can make them so as the recording is good. I
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just use
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Adam Curry: you. You my friend. You sound you sound. Fabulous. I
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apologize. So I we got up early, because you know,
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John C Dvorak: well, you better preface it because there's an
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Amsterdam. How about that? You're an Amsterdam, and we're
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supposed to start an hour early. But we started a half hour
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early.
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Adam Curry: Yes. Yeah. Oh, 20 minutes later than we should
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have started. I'm telling you, this was completely my mistake.
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We I thought we had discussed, like, no, maybe we'll do an hour
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early and we really hadn't finalized it. Now. Normally, I
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always proofread the newsletter. I was with my sister last night
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we're having dinner. And the newsletter comes in and I'm
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like, I'm not gonna do that. And Tina, Tina was like, screw that
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old guy. No way. Don't do the newsletter. And I forgot about
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it. And then I never read that we were starting an hour early.
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You see I made it her fault somehow was pretty good. So So
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we're sitting downstairs, I'd been ready for an hour and a
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half. We said now we can have a nice dinner because I won't be
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done until midnight. So we'll we'll eat together. And and I
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just ordered coffee and Tina goes Hey, Twitter's on fire.
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Everyone's expecting like, Oh, okay. So brought the coffee
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upstairs and got started right away. I'm sorry. That was
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completely my fault.
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, it was. Ah, so here we are. Although I could
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have sent out, you know, just a friendly reminder, which I
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should have done but I didn't see the need and now and
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carelessness. Yes.
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Adam Curry: My my fault on my part to Tina said You know, if
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it were me, I would have double checked and said just to make
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sure said yes. I know. By the way she has packed like Tetris
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this trip. She's so good at it.
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John C Dvorak: Everywhere. That's what yeah, that's what
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she has to keep. Exactly. Exactly. As good as keeping time
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though.
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Adam Curry: So yeah, the internet is not what it used to
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be. I guess. It's not it's not as great. I don't think so. No,
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it's not as great as it was. Why is that? So
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John C Dvorak: anyway, because war stories from the flight,
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Adam Curry: you know, I wish I could give you real warst I have
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a very brief travel report, but it was actually kind of smooth
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San Antonio is where we left. San Antonio hands down. A
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million times better than than Austin, first of all, from San
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Antonio. And it's not Austin. Now better pie was on the
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lookout for the facial recognition that everyone's been
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talking about. Never happened. No, it's definitely there. But
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it's really sly it they got so they have the cameras down below
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mounted on the TSA kiosk pointing up. But there's
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supposed to be a sign that says you can opt out there was none
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of that. I did not make any trouble but I took note of it.
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So then we everything goes I wasn't
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John C Dvorak: sure to stop them in their tracks. What is this
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vacation I
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Adam Curry: don't want to be a troublemaker I want to get
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there. The I have the new road kit, everything you know, and I
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have it set up and now I just I'm very I'm able to quickly
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take everything out and put it in 18 bins, really it's about
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seven bins. So they didn't no hassle. They didn't you know,
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check my bag because there's nothing in it basically. So the
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new process that's all working. We fly to Detroit because that's
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how we're gonna get there is through by Yeah, I I I've been I
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used to have Chrysler as a client in Detroit. Back in the
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thick new ideas days and I've been to that airport a lot and
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as we're walking through, and yes, the airport
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John C Dvorak: has got a subway that goes through the airport.
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Adam Curry: Yes. Yes. They have a subway in the airport. And I
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was thinking you know, ma'am, they're really ruining our great
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American aviation system. You know, because I it's Detroit is
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one of those places where you fly through it to get to some
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other desk destination can you just know that all these delays
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and then your lack of pilots and cabin crew and it kind of took
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me back to the days when you just you know you you had your
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your your driver drop you off at curbside 20 minutes before the
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flight would leave, you throw your keys into the little bin
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you know you go through the metal detector, there was no
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issues with anything there wasn't even screen your bags.
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There was no bag screening I don't even think at the time.
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You know, just put your coins into the little basket and you
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grab them and you ran to the gate you got on there's no TSA
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now that bull crap. When I was a kid, then it was it just I don't
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know I had this just weird reminiscing feeling about me
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about just how easy and it just used to work you know now you
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see everyone unhappy. And there's delays everywhere. It's
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just it's ruined the whole coolness of our air
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transportation system is ruined. You don't fly
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John C Dvorak: thanks to eight holes effects like this shoe
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bomber. Yeah. The assholes who kept hijacking planes to Cuba if
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you remember that
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Adam Curry: era. That was before my time I wasn't part of the of
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the Cuban hijacking. But even then, after that we did you know
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that's when we got the metal detectors, but you didn't have
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to take your shoes off. You didn't have to put your bags. I
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think there might have been at a certain point they might have
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had some kind of minor X ray thing that you threw your bag
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through but they never they say oh hold on a sec. I didn't get a
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good thing and they just put it back in again. Now you're good
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to go. They might want you if you went off in the metal
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detector. None of this go back. Take your belt off take your
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take your shoe the your your watch. I take all that stuff
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off. It's just kind of ruined anyway. To make matters worse,
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so we're we are on Delta from Detroit to Amsterdam. And you
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know, you stand in the line. It's like a you need to
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John C Dvorak: watch a weird flight. Where are you going,
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Dale, I'm going to Amsterdam from Detroit.
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Adam Curry: It's a cheap flight is what that is. And then you
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get that ladies and gentlemen, please, if you came here going
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to Amsterdam, you have to have your passport in your hand. If
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your passports not in your hand, you will not be allowed to mine.
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Okay, we got a passport and a boarding cards. And you walk up
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and there's a guy just stand there says Look at that. Look at
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that. Look at the camera. And you look in the camera and
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flash. I mean there's no flash but the screen goes zip. And
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then the little circle and there's your head and you get a
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green checkmark. And that's it. They didn't look at your ticket
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didn't look at my passport, anything. So they already had me
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facial recognition ized
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John C Dvorak: or not. And that was my guess he
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Adam Curry: went fast. No and had your name there too. We went
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boom. Adam curry
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John C Dvorak: go when they taught when they took a picture
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of you said Adam curry after the picture. No one's
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Adam Curry: taking a picture. There's a screen that's about
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John C Dvorak: your head it says Adam curry it's so it sees your
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shoulder because it took the same picture of you down below
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at the beginning. Remember?
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Adam Curry: Well, that was in but that was in Santa beginning
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of your flight. Yeah. So So you're telling me Yeah, but Dan
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Antonio of the TSA put that into the system?
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John C Dvorak: Has to what I was would they have your picture
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with Adam curry name?
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Adam Curry: From my prison record? I don't know. Um,
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John C Dvorak: there's no other way that I can think of. Well,
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and why not? It's just a network. Just the internet.
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Adam Curry: Come on. This stuff never works. Try try re booking
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your flight. They don't like
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John C Dvorak: the fact that it worked at that point 100
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million. I'm just saying that as possible. That what that is that
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your picture in San Antonio, which were they associated with
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Adam curry? Is the say is how it? No, I gave the name Adam
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curry when you got to Detroit. I
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Adam Curry: think when we hear here's what I'm thinking when we
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checked in, in San Antonio. I think then they scan the
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passport picture. That's how I think it works. And that good.
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So that's in the I don't think the TSA system is connected. It
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feels okay. Well, when that would make more sense. Even
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that's amazing that it works in today's ABS amazing. Anything
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John C Dvorak: works. I agree. It's amazing.
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Adam Curry: I can talk to you from Amsterdam on this
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connection. Oh, that's amazing. So then here's the good part.
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Friends of ours who have pool and influence in the Netherlands
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arrange for the VIP arrival. This is the coolest thing ever.
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Oh, so you you walk out of the plane and you go up to halfway
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up the the jetway and there's a lady with a nice business suit
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on Mr. Mrs. Curry. Yes.
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John C Dvorak: Did they did she didn't have a sign or anything.
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She just
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Adam Curry: No. spotted me spotted me right away. Mr. Mrs.
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Curry. Yes. I'm here from the VIP center, or the VIP center or
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dip center, VIP, the VIP, the VIP, the VIP VIP VIP Yeah, they
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called VIP VIP Center. I'm here from the VIP center. Okay, come
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with me. And so she opens the door on the jetway opens up and
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put this a little staircase. You go dassanayake, basically
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underneath the nose of the aircraft. And there's an Audi
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limousine, like, I don't know. Like, it looks like a like an
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eight. But it's a limo verse stretch out, stretch Audi, and
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we get in and it smells new, like Corinthian leather. And we
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just were driving around the air side of the airport, and then
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she pulls up. And there's all these other people like, hello,
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and they're on uniforms, you know, like, white shoes, black,
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black pants, and just you know, uniform was dolled up. Okay,
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let's dolled up and there's and there's a customs guy, you know,
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and in the Netherlands, the customs are military.
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John C Dvorak: So he was straight so that this just took
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you to us to a private customs. Yeah,
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Adam Curry: private customs. And the guy was teaching to chunk
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passport. You go up the elevator, you go through this,
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like
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John C Dvorak: getting off a private Yes, exactly.
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Adam Curry: This is what the king and queen do. And
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John C Dvorak: you gotta set me up for that I'm going down. So
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I'm just visiting this,
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Adam Curry: this VIP Center, this is ripped and has your
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crown jewels behind glass and all the royal family. You know,
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my girl makishima The queen who hair flipped me. It's got, you
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know, beautiful pieces of art. There's huge antique books, it's
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all there's all these different rooms and we go into the canal
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house room, which is like a little suite with a TV and a
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breakfast table and couches. And they say oh, what can we get up?
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You get some breakfast and I'm here we're ordering breakfast.
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That which is all you know, they even do the breakfast with the
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with a gold paint on the you know, like the gold stuff on the
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plate. So you get french toast and cold
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John C Dvorak: stuff. You know, I met this place and they had
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gold stuff on the plate. But she has moved from Texas.
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Adam Curry: What do you call it? What chefs do what chefs do on
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when they live in a fancy restaurant they you know they
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put little gold flakes and they smeared out old leaf golf leaf
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gold stuff. Gold leaf gold leaf on my french toast and and then
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to my shit Do you need to do you need our claim checks? No, no,
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no, it's all in the system will take care of it for you. And
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then a certain point it's like and whenever you're ready, you
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know you'd luggage is downstairs. And so we mosey on
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down after about an hour.
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John C Dvorak: I'd be a little better on the on the outbound.
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Do you have that?
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Adam Curry: I don't know if we get lucky that way. But it was
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fantastic. And then we're literally across the street in
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the airport hotel was kind of funny. No, but that was funny.
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That was fantastic. That was the best part. The best part for
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sure.
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John C Dvorak: So so so good to have friend JC faces. JC and
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Jesse went to Hawaii. Wow. So I asked him I said I gotta have a
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story, some sort of an airport story that compete with curry
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here. And he didn't have one except for the fact that I guess
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there was some guy on the plane who they dosed up with Ambien
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and he started sleepwalking. Yeah.
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Adam Curry: Oh, no.
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John C Dvorak: And they had to did took the whole crew to
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subdue him and then tie him into the seat. And as soon as they
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strapped him in, he felt dead asleep. And he didn't wake up
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the whole time they put the
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Adam Curry: gaffer tape around him. I've seen that like no,
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John C Dvorak: they didn't have to because he conked out wow.
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It's Ambien. They said it was Ambien
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Adam Curry: probably had Ambien with a little glass of alcohol,
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John C Dvorak: or something. Who knows? But it's a pretty good
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story. These drugs are no good
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Adam Curry: now about about Hawaii and about Maui
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specifically. So we got several pieces of email that people
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thought we were huge dicks.
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John C Dvorak: Was they thought you were in particular? Well, I
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Adam Curry: got a couple that said you were in particular, but
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it doesn't matter. I mean, we were making a point about
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something that we only had historical information on. And
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yeah, this happens a lot. Yeah. And if you're coming at it from
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a Oh, look at all the people that are dead that we're just
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finding about now. I mean, are eight hours before that? We
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weren't quite
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John C Dvorak: here. Here's what we were talking about the
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following. How did this happen? Yeah, exactly. And it's not
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global warming and the whole town burned to the ground. And
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then there was no alerts and no you all you do all the news
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stories say the same thing. Nobody said anything. We didn't
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even get a beep on our phone. So you have a bunch of dead people.
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This thing was a disaster. How does it town and complete town
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like this? burned to the ground? Well, I have it and they're on
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the water. Yes. Then you look along the shore and there's a
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bunch of cars burnt to a crisp, five feet from the ocean.
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Adam Curry: So first of all, we were not intentionally being
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insensitive because when people are like, I can't believe you
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did that. Well, you can because we won't Looking at it from
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historical perspective,
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John C Dvorak: we're not gonna make excuses. Every year,
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Adam Curry: I am gonna make some history every year or so this
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happens. But this was different. And we do have some good boots
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on the ground reports and the best one is from Dustin. And so
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if you look online, the conspiracy theories are better
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than I could have ever even come up with. We have directed energy
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weapons,
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John C Dvorak: we just was expecting that one. But that's
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not
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Adam Curry: what happened. We but there is some. I think
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there's some credence to some of the thinking that's out there, I
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have to tick tock clips just to give you an idea of the kind of
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stuff that I was being sent. So today
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Unknown: we're gonna give a little update on the Hawaiian
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fires. Now I want you to look at this footage, and this surely
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doesn't look like a fire to me. It looks like something almost
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exploded or something went off.
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Adam Curry: And this this footage looks very much like
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that Northern California footage that was started by Cydia
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paradise paradise. Thank you, it looks very much like that. Just
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incinerated. And then there's a tree, which is perfectly fine,
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you know. So these are very weird things. Now, what's
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Unknown: interesting is certain things are still standing while
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other things are not now the Governor did say this is climate
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change doing this. Interesting. What they don't talk about is in
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January, how they had in Maui, a smart city conference to turn
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Maui into an entire smart Island.
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Adam Curry: This is true that there is and I think that is an
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interesting point, but not quite the directed energy weapons
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level yet
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Unknown: changing everything to electric renewables, solar
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panels and pushing everybody into electric vehicles. 15
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minutes smart cities. So now what's also interesting is next
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month in September, Hawaii is hosting the Digital Government
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Summit, utilizing AI to govern the island.
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Adam Curry: We've gone off track here, people,
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Unknown: it's almost like they're resetting something to
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start rebuilding for this in which they're trying to push.
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Now when we look at all the climate change narrative that
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they're going to try to push but they're not going to talk about
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the weather modification act of 1970. I only recommend everybody
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look into this act, because who is involved in the weather
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modification activities, Department of Agriculture,
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Department of Defense Department of Interior, EPA and NASA. Okay,
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so
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Adam Curry: this guy goes on. It's like they modified the
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weather to ruin Maui. All right, then we get the TIC tock girl,
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Unknown: I have been trapped in line for the last four days. And
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I experienced firsthand what was going on. What I went through is
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not important. I need to discuss it. This was not a natural
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disaster. This was a direct attack on the people and the
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place of knowledge. As you know, what lives their descendants
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lived there. You know why? And you know why it happened on
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eighth? This is not something that you believe it's time to
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stop being.
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Adam Curry: Yeah, okay. Now, a couple of data points. It is
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absolutely true that there are a lot of very wealthy, some famous
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elite people who have big homesteads in Maui. And for a
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long time, there's been Native Hawaiians who have not want to
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give up their land they didn't want to sell out to them. This
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town is very historic town. And this is where Dustin comes in
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with his boots on the ground. Behind la Lahaina, I think it's
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I pronounce it says he's been there in Maui for 14 years. He's
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absolutely your analysis on Thursday the fires in Maui
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having nothing to do with climate change completely spot
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on. Here's the background which I think is interesting. The
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background were the worst case Lahaina
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John C Dvorak: by the way.
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Adam Curry: The hyena behind the area where the worst fires took
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place, the west coast of Maui, specifically the town of
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Lahaina, the town is located on the very western edge of the
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island in the shadow of the West Maui Mountains, which block
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almost all of the moisture that comes from the east. This is a
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hot, dry desert almost all year long. The town of Lahaina was
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once the capital of Hawaii and when the Hawaiian royal family
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lived there. That was the mid 1800s. They would spend their
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summers in the nearby olowalu area because it was just too hot
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to be in this town. The word Lahaina roughly translated to
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English means the unrelenting sun, so this has been a hot dry
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place for hundreds if not 1000s of years. In the mid 1800s,
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early 1900s Lahaina became a hub for sugarcane production behind
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the harbor became a center for whaling and the whaling
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industry. Hundreds of wooden homes were built to house
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whalers and sugarcane workers, and many more large wooden
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structures were built along the world famous Front Street and
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use the stores, restaurants and hotels to supply the town. Fast
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forward to present day behind as a busy tourist destination. All
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those old wooden buildings built before modern building codes are
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now Historic Landmarks cannot be upgraded or changed by the new
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owners due to permitting restrictions. buildings were
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built very close together without any modern fire
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mitigation measurements and measures and located in a part
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of the island that is surrounded by hundreds of acres of dry
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grassland, and has wildfires as you mentioned on the show every
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single summer season. A few days ago, there was a hurricane that
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passed to the south of Maui. Now we know that that was about 500
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miles away, but they did have 60 plus mile an hour winds on the
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West Coast, which toppled power lines in the dry grassland just
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outside of town igniting them. Let me reiterate, this happens
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every year at this time, but this year, the fires just
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happened to be a little too close to town and the addition
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of the hurricane force blowing in the direction of the old
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wooden homes and stores is enough to burn the entire town
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of Lahaina to the ground almost immediately. I think this is
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exactly what happened. But there probably was not a huge
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incentive on the island. And they probably been maybe even
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waiting for this like one of these piece of crap things going
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to burn down. Because this is gold, this is gold. And I also
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think by throwing in the hurricane, maybe we get some
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kind of force majeure. You know, insurance companies like I you
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know, this is, this is an act of God may get off the hook. They
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may they may that that's why I think this being played up so
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much. But this is going to be Dustin says he thinks the death
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toll may be in the 1000
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John C Dvorak: i Well, there's only 1000 people missing, so
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it's not gonna get into 1000s. And we could get up to 1000
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Unknown: up to 1000. But
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John C Dvorak: I'm in total agreement with this. Yeah, they
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have this place was one of those places that did great for
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tourists. I mean, I love going into these old rickety old
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towns, the old wild west. And you go in there and you can shop
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and there's all these cute little places and and meanwhile
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the developers are looking you know the smacking their lips.
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This is no good. I mean, we can't do it. Look, can we can we
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care to have these old buildings down maybe and build something?
22:13
No. So here's okay. Okay, fine, fine, fine. And I think that may
22:18
account for the fed and well I don't know if it did anybody any
22:21
good not to warn anybody because they weren't going to stop the
22:23
fire anyway. But there was no mitigation whatsoever. His day
22:28
are on the water. One tick one pumper boat.
22:32
Adam Curry: Listen, Dame Jessie boots on the ground. Fire
22:36
started in the morning, she's there in Maui Fire Department
22:39
claimed it to be 100% contained, and left left with the huge
22:44
winds blowing. I drove the road where it restarted around noon,
22:48
and there was no fire at the time. anonymously, my husband
22:53
Oh, okay. So and honestly, I can't say that, I guess, let's
22:57
just say there was a water truck sent to the site that was turned
22:59
back. She feels his whole apocalypse of Maui could have
23:05
been completely avoided. And there will be big lawsuits, the
23:08
older fire chiefs all retired in the last couple of years. And
23:12
the new ones are all budget conscious to one water truck,
23:16
which might have cost a couple $1,000 would have stopped this.
23:23
So I'm thinking that exactly John that knows like me, you
23:27
know, it's time to redevelop this thing now, did they
23:31
consider that this was like a box of matches that it will just
23:35
go up like that. And I can imagine that if the ground is
23:38
dry. And it's all wooden structures all built next to
23:40
each other that can go fast fire can go very fast,
23:44
John C Dvorak: especially with old wooden buildings. And so I'm
23:47
fan that that first note about the buildings being a bunch of
23:51
old, you know, pieces of junk basically, ready to go at the
23:57
drop of a hat that towel could it burn to the ground at any
24:00
time.
24:00
Adam Curry: And I'm thinking that because it came so quickly
24:03
and you saw the laser beams from the sky pictures everywhere,
24:08
which turns out to the time lapse launch from a rocket from
24:12
Vandenberg. I think I have half a mind now that this was
24:16
launched into the ether just to you know, to put it out to all
24:20
that's a crazy conspiracy theory about the elites wanting it to
24:23
burn to the ground where they probably did. But let's just
24:27
throw some directed energy weapons stuff into the mix. And
24:31
then everyone will say it's a conspiracy theory and won't have
24:34
to talk about it anymore.
24:35
John C Dvorak: I think there's like $1.7 billion with a tourism
24:38
in that town. It's 1.327 I can't remember the exact number, which
24:43
is about something like a lot of Hawaii's told tourist industry.
24:48
So it's over a billion dollars in tourism in that in that
24:52
island. Yeah, they figured they can double that if they get rid
24:55
of that if they rebuild. What modern tourists want modern
24:59
tourists are not like you and I who like maybe really do like
25:03
going through walking around
25:04
Adam Curry: the old town. Yeah, of course we love that. No
25:07
John C Dvorak: monitors that they like they don't mind if
25:10
it's a little slicker a little nicer a little more like
25:13
Disneyland Right?
25:14
Unknown: Exactly.
25:16
John C Dvorak: And I think that they this is this is not they'll
25:20
never This is unsolvable as a mystery it's just you can't keep
25:24
doing it you can't find the guy that the match but
25:26
Adam Curry: well according to Dustin it was the the winds that
25:30
blew that happens every single year except this year. They
25:33
thought stop it. They said they had it contained and they didn't
25:36
and they didn't have any they hadn't. They weren't prepared.
25:39
Now, is that gonna
25:40
John C Dvorak: be just could be a confluence of idiots. That's
25:43
always possible. Yeah. Yeah.
25:46
Adam Curry: So And believe me, I'm the first guy to want it to
25:49
be a directed energy weapon. If you know that. Oh, yeah. And I'm
25:53
looking at these pictures like and then have the green lasers
25:58
from space that happened just a few weeks ago. Yeah,
26:02
John C Dvorak: that's a good one.
26:03
Adam Curry: Well, the green space they aren't measuring
26:06
stuff. That's that's probably
26:07
John C Dvorak: I don't have any clips from the Maui store. I
26:09
think we've beat it up there. I think that covers us pretty much
26:12
but I do have since you're talking about crazy stuff. I
26:15
have to I'm bringing these clips and these are clips that are
26:19
there. They're almost a month old. But but they're they're
26:24
Alex Jones Jones clips. And the reason I'm bringing them up
26:29
because I just want to make a point to people out there who
26:31
are podcasters or podcast wannabes or everyone when has
26:35
the podcast. This is not Alex on his show. This is Alex on that
26:40
show that value tainment group
26:43
Adam Curry: pet Patrick bett Patrick Davis, what does it
26:46
John C Dvorak: do? And he's just he's got three guys and it's a
26:50
well produced show in terms of the quality of the sound that's
26:53
for sure. Patrick Davis that's it. But the reason I want to
26:57
play this is because I have to say we don't play Alex Jones
27:01
clips much. But when we when he goes on somebody else's show.
27:08
Yeah, he brings it. Yes, he does. He does it on Rogen. He
27:14
wherever he goes that people should do they go You're right.
27:17
Alex Jones. No, you should bring him on. And here's the I've got
27:21
three clips and these clips are just unbelievable. Let's start
27:26
with AJ on on Biden.
27:29
Adam Curry: Yeah, I thought Hold on a second. AJ Biden, sorry,
27:33
here we go.
27:34
Unknown: They're getting ready to take out the garbage with
27:36
Biden. I think they'll probably kill him. Or he'll die honestly.
27:39
Hold on some stairs or be drugged or whatever, or or at
27:43
least be in a coma very soon. And I've got very high level
27:47
sources that are there. You got people Dougie, the Democratic
27:50
Party. Roger stones totally dialed and he was on my show
27:53
yesterday. And he said they're crazy enough that they're
27:56
thinking that's what Democrats are saying right now. Okay. Big
27:59
Mike. Michelle Obama. Hey, that's my line. And then VP
28:04
Newsom or Newsom. But Obama is he's the real President right
28:08
now. And he'll third term elected we have a video. He he's
28:12
now coming back out and saying I'm involved and I'll see how
28:14
they're getting ready to get rid of Biden. That's the only reason
28:16
those reporters are on a leash. None of them ever asked question
28:19
for two and a half years suddenly they're all attacking.
28:21
Yep, it's because they've been let off the leash because Biden
28:24
was supposed to like he said right before he's
28:26
Adam Curry: I love it how this guy's going yep, yep. Yeah,
28:30
right on Yeah.
28:31
Unknown: won the election. Remember? He said, Well, if I
28:34
don't do what I'm told the I'll probably just develop some rare
28:37
disease and resign. Yep, he said it multiple times. Letting them
28:42
know, man Well, he's still his brain was still there remember
28:45
the deals then? But according to Roger Stone, other sources
28:48
Rogers dead on. He's He's hangs out with he talks to some of the
28:52
high level Democrats. Bullshit. Joe Biden is telling him Don't
28:55
leave. She likes the power and, and he's he's told him eff off.
28:59
Adam Curry: Alright, hold on. Now, before you move on with AJ
29:01
clips. Tina and I were just discussing a new version of my
29:06
theory. I wasn't even going to bring this up. But now I need to
29:09
bring it up. Because what I'm seeing ever since. Oh, let me
29:14
laugh first, as you're gonna love this. You're gonna love
29:17
this. I agree with Alex Jones. Biden is no way you gotta say
29:22
yep. Yeah, Biden's toast. Yep, he's out. So the I mean, they've
29:26
got the special counsel. I'm sure you have clips. I got
29:29
clips. We got that. Yeah, short counsel. I got that. But what's
29:33
happening is this Obama gay thing is catching fire. The
29:37
Telegraph. Everyone's you know, this book that's been out
29:40
forever. Now all of a sudden, it's like it's just not news.
29:43
No, I know. It's not news.
29:46
John C Dvorak: We do remember this. Newsweek actually came out
29:50
with an edition of Newsweek that said our first gate President
29:53
Obama, yes.
29:54
Adam Curry: But wait, because I'm adjusting my theory. I think
29:59
so. The Democratic Party who the heck knows who's running what, I
30:03
think we have multiple factions inside the Democratic Party. And
30:07
there's one and there's the crazy trans Maoist faction. You
30:12
know, the ones who have three trans kids, and they're and
30:16
they've all gotten together and said, This is our chance. This
30:19
is it. We've got to ease America into it. We've got to let them
30:24
know Obama's gay. And then boom, Big Mike 2024 first trans black
30:29
president.
30:32
John C Dvorak: This was a logical conclusion that I knew
30:35
you would draw.
30:36
Adam Curry: Well, there it is. I'm just putting it out there.
30:39
Okay,
30:39
John C Dvorak: it's out there. It's out there. It's on the
30:41
record. At first I thought they were trying
30:42
Adam Curry: to thwart Michelle Obama by saying nah, by creating
30:47
controversy around her husband. But now I'm these people are
30:52
crazy. They'll do it. Listen,
30:54
John C Dvorak: we know that you know, what happened?
30:58
Adam Curry: Who knew we'd be locked down? Who knew we would
31:00
have 1000s of children being sterilized? I anything's on the
31:04
table for me.
31:06
John C Dvorak: With the 1000s of kids being sterilized, that's
31:09
pretty interesting. And it's, I'm gonna do the skip Biden
31:12
twofer. Now, that's the last clip now, because AJ still
31:16
bringing it so here he is on Trump.
31:19
Unknown: Yeah, I think I mean, I think they're gonna demonize
31:21
even diamond diamond diamond dot him. And then I I think they'll
31:24
blow their plane up. I really got level is Trump. I mean, I
31:29
mean, I believe the deep state establishment will murder him. I
31:32
mean, I believe he's gonna steadfast go through all this.
31:35
You know, he'll be he'll be 30 points ahead in the primaries,
31:38
nothing's gonna stop him. And then they just, you know, he
31:41
dies of a heart attack or they poison him with a closer point
31:44
on the pricker.
31:46
Adam Curry: The pricker airline and blowing up the airplane is
31:49
messy.
31:50
John C Dvorak: Yeah, this is me. I'm just saying this is just AJ,
31:55
you know, on somebody else's show. He just goes nuts. And I
31:58
just thought this clip had to be clipped. This is the last one of
32:01
the three. And it I just did just a head shaker and just
32:05
hilarious. I was
32:07
Unknown: told by the NYPD and Secret Service a year and a half
32:10
ago when he went remember he kept showing up late and
32:12
changing clothes like three times, though he gets mad when
32:15
he goes in these weird because they get him on speed too much
32:19
to roll him out and hope it's okay. And it's not now. But when
32:21
he gets mad, he takes a big dump in his drawers. I'm serious.
32:25
Okay. He's got him saying My butt's been wiped.
32:29
Adam Curry: He said he did say can we Fact Check? Check. Okay,
32:37
yeah, he brings it but this is alright. I wasn't gonna do this
32:40
until maybe second half of show. But this is going to bring this
32:45
kind of talk is putting all of us in danger in grave danger.
32:50
Because now we have the Southern Poverty Law Center, going after
32:56
podcasts. At first it was just a little you
33:00
John C Dvorak: know, little all those mate loony. Oh, yeah, but
33:03
Adam Curry: this this is new now. Because now there's this
33:05
outfit called Tech against terrorism. It's an NGO. Oh,
33:11
yeah. It's an NGO funded by the United Nations our own money.
33:16
And the most recent, most recent episode is about podcasts.
33:24
Podcasts are really used by by terrorists and extremists to
33:31
recruit and plan horrible things. And when you listen,
33:35
well have a couple of short clips when you listen to it.
33:39
That I think everyone's in danger.
33:41
Unknown: This week we're discussing the use of podcasts
33:43
by extremist actors are growing unconcerned. And Trent
33:46
concerning over the last 10 years or so extremists have
33:49
increasingly been leveraging podcasts as a platform to spread
33:52
their messages recruit followers on network with like minded
33:56
individuals, extremist groups and networks on the far right
33:59
have developed an alternative media ecosystem that is
34:02
reinforcing and normalizing hateful ideologies, fringe
34:05
ideas, and conspiracy theories. And the ease of creating and
34:09
distributing audio content has allowed these actors to
34:12
regularly produce material that reaches a global audience and
34:16
amplifies their extremist worldviews.
34:18
Adam Curry: Now, raise your hand whenever you feel they're
34:20
talking about no agenda, no agenda, nation. No agenda
34:25
social.com. Anytime you feel that that might be talking about
34:28
us. Let's talk about the scope of this research they have done
34:32
with the SPLC the southern Southern Poverty Law Center Lady
34:35
California regulators have Oops, that's not the right one. I'm
34:38
sorry. To be this one.
34:40
Unknown: Most of the podcasts that we studied were produced by
34:44
organized groups, although some more not, we tried to pick up
34:48
mix, right, right. And then some of them were individual
34:52
vehicles, so but even those podcasts tended to have
34:56
recurring guests or CO hosts that they would bring Get in as
35:01
kind of semi regular cast members, I guess. And then
35:05
ideologically, we again tried to pick a mix of the different
35:08
flavors of hate and extremism. So there were some
35:11
Adam Curry: different flavors of hate and
35:13
Unknown: extremism, Neo Confederate podcast or some neo
35:15
Nazi podcast, we had variety of what used to be called the alt
35:20
right podcasts. Yeah, so just a big mix there, some anti
35:25
government style podcasts. So we had about 18 that we studied,
35:30
and there were, oh, gosh, I want to say 900, and some different
35:35
cast members across this podcast and several 1000 episodes that
35:40
they produced over a 14 year period.
35:44
Adam Curry: Who's that? This is Southern profit loss. And
35:47
they're like, no, no, I'm
35:47
John C Dvorak: saying who is the
35:49
Adam Curry: dude, they've got a map. They've gotten like a map,
35:51
a huge little digger. She
35:53
John C Dvorak: said there was 1400 episodes, and they were
35:57
1000s of guests.
35:59
Adam Curry: Cast on us by the last minute which cast members?
36:02
John C Dvorak: Yeah, we there's no doubt about it. You're not
36:05
talking about us. All right. Members, except for the two of
36:09
us. All right.
36:09
Adam Curry: Okay. So all right. They're not talking
36:14
John C Dvorak: back it up a little bit. I want to hear that
36:15
part of this. I want you to podcast she's talking I want
36:18
let's move forward
36:19
Adam Curry: and you start hearing it.
36:20
Unknown: I turn to Meghan to learn what it is about podcast
36:22
specifically, that makes them useful communication tool for
36:25
extremists.
36:26
Adam Curry: Mind you. All right. I mean, we are not named
36:29
specifically. And they only have a couple of like, not even
36:33
they're not even doing Steve Bannon at this point. But they
36:36
have a map with all kinds of dots and how they're all
36:39
connected. And Josh, yeah. Hey, I've been on the Alex Jones
36:43
podcast, you have believe me? We're connected as group.
36:49
John C Dvorak: Yeah, yeah.
36:51
Unknown: They're very low cost to produce. So you basically
36:54
just need a microphone and some recording software. You can
36:58
throw the file up and it'll get scooped up, hopefully.
37:03
John C Dvorak: Throw it up in the air file, and
37:04
Unknown: you're good to go. But different podcasts, catchers and
37:08
then distributed to a pretty wide audience. It's cross
37:12
platform, low skill, and wide distribution. Those are pretty
37:16
magical features, if you're, you know, if you're trying to
37:20
promote hatefully deals,
37:21
John C Dvorak: not a feature.
37:23
Adam Curry: But also we made it that way. So everybody can
37:26
podcast lady. That was the whole point.
37:28
Unknown: There's also a variety of different platforms that they
37:31
can live on. So you're not sort of hitching your wagon just to
37:35
Spotify or just Apple podcasts. There's a wider distribution
37:38
network. And this is helpful if you're trying to stay under the
37:42
radar. Have one or not get content moderated. Right, like
37:45
you
37:45
John C Dvorak: stopped. Stop it for one second. I have to
37:48
interrupt. Yeah.
37:50
Adam Curry: So people are dangerous. I just want you know,
37:53
these
37:53
John C Dvorak: people know I, you, we they've been dangerous
37:55
for a long time. Yeah. But let's let's stop for a sec. What was
37:59
the year that you'd say? What was your first what year? Was
38:03
the podcast first implemented? I would say let's say the first
38:07
though, during your source code era 3000. In fact, 2003 20 Wait
38:15
a minute.
38:16
Adam Curry: That's important to note. That's when we started but
38:20
the first official daily source code was launched on August 13.
38:26
Two day in 2004. But the the experimentation was already
38:31
happening in 2003.
38:33
John C Dvorak: Okay, well, let's start it. I'm going to go with
38:35
the 2003. Because it's a round number because it's 2023. Yeah,
38:39
but it's okay to say 2014. So 19 years have passed was millions
38:47
of people putting up podcast and all of a sudden after almost,
38:52
let's say, almost 20 years. They do this?
38:58
Adam Curry: What you have to understand first, these people
39:01
are morons and dangerous. So they are just now discovering
39:06
that podcasts aren't only on Spotify and Apple. They're like,
39:11
holy moly. There's people look
39:14
John C Dvorak: this podcast is outside the Yes. Here
39:20
Adam Curry: are flying under the radar with this stuff with wide
39:24
distribution that just throw a file up in the air and boom
39:27
1000s of people have it
39:28
Unknown: hitching your wagon just to Spotify or just Apple
39:31
podcasts. There's a wider distribution network. And this
39:35
is helpful if you're trying to stay under the radar of one or
39:38
not get content moderated right like you if you just on YouTube,
39:42
or you're just on
39:43
Adam Curry: people have like their own networks in there. And
39:45
they have their own cast members, also known as producers
39:49
who are hosting these files and it's outside of apple and
39:53
Spotify. Come on John here with the ladies saying
39:57
Unknown: twitch or something streaming your bulletins that
40:00
platform jump kick you off, podcasts are a little looser,
40:03
loose. So you control the file and how it gets recorded. And
40:07
then from there, it gets distributed more broadly. So
40:10
there actually is. So, there actually turns out to be a
40:19
pretty effective means of building community and spreading
40:22
propaganda. Yes, propaganda
40:25
Adam Curry: and community now, what kind of people are this?
40:28
What kind of, of individuals are these? under the radar podcasts?
40:34
What kind of podcasts? Are these? What's going on with
40:36
this?
40:36
Unknown: I asked Megan about the ideologies promoted on these
40:39
extremist podcasts and OreImo. Say your track. Yeah, just
40:42
John C Dvorak: stop it again. When time is I? Because this is
40:45
so ridiculous. Who is this other woman what it was? Did you get
40:49
this?
40:50
Adam Curry: This? This is the tech against terrorism show. And
40:54
it's from an NGO named tech against terrorism, which is,
40:59
John C Dvorak: which is a podcast which has served
41:01
ironically, it's, well,
41:02
Adam Curry: they have a podcast, been around for a while. Been a
41:06
real really ever since 2016. I would say this is British chick.
41:10
She's the host of the show. Okay, so she has two people on
41:14
from the Southern Poverty Law Center. That's the other lady
41:17
and then you'll hear some douchebag dude. So now she's
41:20
going to go into what kind of podcasts are these? Who are
41:23
these these shadowy figures who don't want to be on Spotify or
41:28
apple?
41:29
Unknown: I asked Megan about the ideologies promoted on these
41:31
extremist
41:31
Adam Curry: ideologies, do they? What ideologies do these
41:34
extremists have
41:35
Unknown: missed podcasts and the audience they attract? There
41:38
were religious faiths podcast was one that we looked at that
41:42
was Oh, no.
41:46
Adam Curry: Man, I picked a fine time to be born again.
41:49
Unknown: Religious space podcast was one that we looked at that
41:52
was Orthodox Christian, no, caspo no
41:56
Adam Curry: Orthodox Christians. Were there Russians, Ukrainians,
42:00
who are these Orthodox Christians?
42:02
John C Dvorak: There's a bunch of these.
42:04
Adam Curry: I've no I do know that. I know God casters, I
42:08
mean, a lot of God casters in my orbit
42:10
Unknown: in style podcast. There was one that we looked at that
42:13
was a NEO Confederate, you know, the South will rise against
42:17
actually we had at least two of those in the set. It was an all
42:21
right podcast that was primarily panels talking about the news.
42:27
There was a new boy Nazi podcast that had a radio shock jock
42:32
sharp, John Matt, there was a podcast that attempted to do
42:37
comedy and each of the guests or hosts rather would have these
42:41
recurring characters that they would play that were either
42:45
racist stereotypes and tropes, or hey, I'm
42:48
Adam Curry: Zippy I'm a racist,
42:50
Unknown: or that kind of thing trying to be funny. I mean,
42:52
really, it'd
42:53
Adam Curry: be funny. It sounds like
42:55
John C Dvorak: we're doing the Dana Carvey podcast, trying to
42:57
be funny,
42:59
Unknown: quite a variety of different styles. And it was a
43:02
lot in generalities, I would say it's mostly a male audience
43:08
right. And just like the groups that we're setting in the in the
43:10
movements that we're studying are typically male, although
43:13
I've written extensively and others have to on women in these
43:17
movements, but it is typically male. And then depending on you
43:20
ever
43:20
John C Dvorak: listen to Sophia with an F, she's not call her
43:24
daddy or any of these No, man, those sons of female based
43:29
podcasts, they're
43:30
Adam Curry: not the extremists. You never listen
43:33
John C Dvorak: to them
43:34
Unknown: extensively, and others have to on women in these
43:37
movements, but it is typically male. And then depending on the
43:40
podcast, and depending on the ideology that that podcast is
43:44
promoting. Some of them are trends younger and some of them
43:48
trend older. It really just, it really just depends. And then
43:51
there's some that fall right in the middle and have a truly
43:53
mixed audience. So yeah, mostly male. Mostly, what that's
43:57
probably not surprising, was, you know, the podcasts that
44:00
we've chose for this sample were largely white supremacy, you
44:03
know, white nationalist white supremacist style podcasts. So
44:07
that is very surprising that they, they tend to be white and
44:11
male and they just were mixed.
44:14
Adam Curry: white and male, old and younger. Good. We're in the
44:17
sweet spot of this thing is beautiful. Now, as I said,
44:22
they've discovered
44:23
John C Dvorak: they've discovered now younger this
44:26
week. We're in the sweet spot.
44:28
Adam Curry: They've discovered that you know, how does this
44:30
work? How did they get around the content moderation, their
44:33
friends at Spotify, their friends at Apple? Oh, how was
44:37
this being done? I think this is the dude now comes the crack.
44:40
Unknown: Streamers podcast distributed across the
44:42
internet's how are
44:43
Adam Curry: they distributed across the internet, if they're
44:46
not working with big tech, which we can then censor?
44:48
Unknown: I asked Bjorn so it's really various. Some of the
44:52
podcasts are like open a distributed tray like the main
44:56
distribution services wherever you find your podcasts.
44:59
Adam Curry: Oh, Oh no, if you say wherever you find your
45:01
podcasts, you might be an extremist.
45:03
Unknown: People keep saying podcasts, the problem of
45:07
podcasts of our is that you don't have to distribute them
45:10
through a service like that, like making it impossible to
45:14
watch
45:16
John C Dvorak: this guy, okay, he's very affected
45:20
Unknown: service like that, like making it impossible. So there
45:24
should be certain podcasts through those services is
45:26
certainly good in terms of like lowering the amount of
45:29
detection.
45:30
Adam Curry: But we're not being detected.
45:32
Unknown: Podcasts are largely kind of distributed through RSS
45:35
feeds. Anyone with a computer can set up an RSS feed. And
45:41
that's the point spread to their podcast, tree more subversion
45:46
ways. And so
45:50
John C Dvorak: you said subversion
45:51
Adam Curry: reversers. So if you just distribute via RSS, that's
45:55
versus that's more subversive versus you know what he means
46:00
the
46:00
Unknown: more subverted ways and so like, as we're talking about,
46:04
also content moderation and the fediverse and more of
46:08
distribution, right at verse,
46:10
Adam Curry: verse, hello, no agenda, social
46:13
Unknown: operation and the Senate version more kind of
46:16
distributed in the Federated Services, the syndication model,
46:19
Adam Curry: these people living under a rock? No, they're living
46:22
on 100 million dollars of Southern Poverty Law Center
46:25
money. That's that pile is so heavy, they can't see the RSS
46:30
through the dollars
46:31
Unknown: versus the syndication model of podcasts, being
46:34
distributed through RSS feeds is really an interesting case study
46:39
as well in preparation for that. And because of AdWords, the way
46:44
in which it's really left up to the control of the individual.
46:49
Adam Curry: They have no control, they have control.
46:52
John C Dvorak: They can't the individual can control. Yes,
46:55
Adam Curry: this is this is what they hate. They hate that we are
46:59
doing this ourselves. I'm not gonna say they're
47:02
John C Dvorak: just gonna stop, stop. I'm gonna stop. I don't
47:04
I'm not giving you a clip for the day for this crap. But But I
47:10
am going to find a way to nominate you for the Nobel Peace
47:15
Prize for for podcasts and 2.0. So they can think I'm joking.
47:20
No,
47:20
Adam Curry: why, but why do I deserve the I mean, I want the
47:23
peace prize. It would be nice. But how do i Why am I deserving
47:26
of this?
47:27
John C Dvorak: Because podcasting 2.0 Yes. For saw.
47:32
Yes. The clips you're playing right now. Yeah. And created a
47:36
secondary, kind of a backup system extremist tech podcast
47:40
and for the rest of the rest of the days.
47:43
Adam Curry: Yes, extremist terrorist outfit,
47:47
John C Dvorak: but you will get you well, you know, that's up to
47:50
people want to find extremist stuff, they'll find it this got
47:54
nothing to do with podcasting 2.0 or anything else? No, of
47:57
Adam Curry: course not. Well, they are however, they, you
48:00
know, they, it's a big problem for this, even though they have
48:03
hundreds of millions of dollars. It's a real big problem
48:06
detecting all of these things. Because you know, it's a lot of
48:09
podcasts, you have to you got to sift through 1000s of episodes.
48:13
But
48:13
Unknown: all the detection software has largely been
48:16
focused on music because a copyright enforcement and so
48:19
there are elements of software out there that is useful for
48:23
that and can be used for things like automatic detection of
48:26
jingles are common across from a tech perspective, discovering
48:33
what people are actually saying in all your competence is a
48:38
challenge.
48:39
Adam Curry: So it's still a challenge, even though
48:41
podcasting 2.0 literally has made it so that you can now go
48:45
to bing.io. And you can search the transcript of every single
48:50
episode we've ever done. Oh, man, so support us now people
48:59
for our legal fund. My goodness, they're nuts. These people are
49:06
nuts. They cannot stand that we're using that anyone is using
49:10
the Internet. Anyone? Anyone anyone I'm satisfied said anyone
49:14
John C Dvorak: that any single person. And like, you know, the
49:17
clip was the you know, who's the who doesn't have a podcast? Yes.
49:22
But that's not something that you want. You don't want
49:24
everybody having a voice or being having the ability to be
49:28
heard. Now. They they do noisy,
49:31
Adam Curry: but what I'm hearing here is they are they're just
49:35
discovering because of that very big pile of money they're living
49:38
under that there's this whole ecosystem that's been around for
49:44
they think 14 years, but Okay, give them that 20 years that
49:49
exists on RSS. We thought Google had done away with that a long
49:54
time ago when they close Google Reader but oh no. Turns out
49:59
these extremists are Still using this to distribute their their
50:04
Hateful Eight Pages hate, just hate and we can't we need to
50:10
stop them they need to be moderated somehow.
50:16
John C Dvorak: Moderation. Yeah. Anyway, that brings me to
50:19
January 6, January 6. I just did just a cursory thing I probably
50:26
should do an essay on this but a couple of conservative writers
50:30
had written up a actually professors had written up that
50:38
Trump is really has an issue with this. It doesn't make sense
50:42
when I read their essays about how it's in the Constitution
50:46
that if you take part in an insurrection, you are
50:51
unqualified, you can't run for president, right. And all these
50:54
indictments and all this bullcrap is really this all a
50:57
smokescreen for the real indictment, which is the January
51:01
6 stuff. And the fact that from day one. From day one, there was
51:08
a comment and we I remember when this January 6 happened, you and
51:15
I have wished that well, why watch this. I watched it on C
51:17
span. There wasn't anything going on. It was a creation. It
51:21
was created by Nancy Pelosi and it was worse than Pearl Harbor,
51:25
911 and all the rest of it. So that brings me and so I'm
51:29
thinking that this is this is a last ditch attempt is yes to
51:34
keep Trump from running and it's all based on him being an
51:38
insurrection. Even though I have lots of thoughts on this.
51:41
Adam Curry: Can I tell you what Tina's theory was on this
51:43
because she's way into this? Yeah, she's she's waiting
51:47
because she's always saying I hate this. By the way. She's a
51:50
white supremacist. She's the problem if Southern Poverty Law
51:53
Center, she's the one she's the she's the mastermind behind the
51:57
no agenda show. So she's always looking at how they're still
52:01
people locked up for the for trespassing, in essence, what
52:06
they're trying to get them on one of the one of the to Trump
52:10
charges, which is thwarting or interrupting or trying to stop a
52:19
process in Senate, which is, you know, that's an insurrectionist
52:23
thing. And so they're trying to hide from what she says what I
52:26
think is reasonable. They're trying to convict some poor
52:29
people like 65 and 68 years old, of this work slouches of this
52:34
one particular crime, which is interceding. I forget the exact
52:39
term in a governmental process, which would be the exact process
52:44
is one of Trumps. Yeah, that's that's one of his charts. And if
52:47
they convict this those people, then they can they'll have a
52:51
case by case law to indict the two
52:54
John C Dvorak: conditions. They, this is a long way, but Okay,
52:58
good luck with that. I'm just saying, let's listen to these
53:01
clips. This is the Epoch Times. January, the pot times ended up
53:05
grabbing, getting hold those same tapes that that Tucker
53:09
Carlson tried to show he showed him for one day of his show and
53:13
then got fired.
53:15
Adam Curry: This is the guy who was running the Capitol Police.
53:20
John C Dvorak: That's coming. That's the last of the of these
53:22
clips. Let's start with the Epoch Times one.
53:25
Unknown: The epic times on Friday released a special report
53:28
called The January 6 tapes. This comes after a three month
53:31
investigation by the newspaper of over 40,000 hours of US
53:35
Capitol police surveillance video. Some of the most dramatic
53:38
surveillance footage acquired shows the disabling of Capitol
53:42
Police Officer Brian slick Nick, he died the day after the
53:45
protest at the Capitol. The cause of death was two strokes.
53:49
Federal prosecutors charged two men with assaulting sick Nick
53:52
with pepper spray, one of whom was Julien le cater. In this
53:56
video you can see a police commander firing numerous bursts
53:59
of pepper spray from a high velocity tank. The video shows
54:03
the spray passing by the left side of signix face after which
54:06
he turns away and leaves the area while caterers still
54:09
appears to be some distance away. caterers fathers said they
54:12
never saw this video before the Epoch Times showed it to them
54:16
saying they withheld this big time since it is in Washington
54:19
DC. Everything is stacked against the January Sixers
54:23
Adam Curry: oh yes and yeah he showed him one time didn't
54:28
really show all the even these good bits I don't recall Tucker
54:31
showing
54:33
John C Dvorak: no Tucker never got the chance to show anything
54:35
he showed he had one down after one episode one episode that and
54:41
then he went he by the time was gonna get to this will be
54:44
covered. We'll get to the police guy because I have a clip of him
54:46
special. But let's go to clip to
54:48
Unknown: another clip involves the Oathkeepers their founder
54:51
Elmer steward Rhodes The third was in court, partly for
54:55
allegedly initiating a phone call to provide instructions on
54:58
how to attack the Capitol. If defense attorneys at the time
55:01
argued the call never happened, video now shows roads appeared
55:05
to be attempting to make cell phone calls, but not having
55:08
success. The entire documentary, which includes much more new
55:12
information on January 6, is now online on Epic tv.com.
55:17
Adam Curry: Who have you seen the whole thing?
55:19
John C Dvorak: No, I do all these things for so long. I
55:21
haven't seen the whole interview with the police guy either, but
55:25
I didn't have to. But let's go to clip three. And this is the
55:27
one that triggered me to get a clip for which I which is named
55:31
differently.
55:32
Unknown: Also on Friday, Tucker Carlson published an interview
55:35
with Steven Sund, the former chief of the Capitol Police,
55:38
Carlson had already interviewed sons while Carlson was still
55:41
with Fox News. However, the day the interview was supposed to
55:45
air Carlson was fired and Fox never published it. So Carlson
55:49
interviewed him again, Sunday says days before January 6, the
55:53
US military was well aware of possible violence on the day of
55:56
the protest, but then changed course all of a sudden watch
56:00
on Sunday and Monday, they had been discussing locking down the
56:03
city, revoking permits on Capitol Hill because of the
56:07
concern for violence. Instead, on January 4, what does fuller
56:10
do? He puts out a memo restricting the National Guard
56:13
from carrying various weapons, any weapons, any civil
56:16
disobedience equipment that would be utilized for the very
56:21
demonstrations or violence that he sees coming? It just doesn't
56:23
make any sense.
56:24
sunde also says he was among the only ones who was not notified
56:28
about the expected violence.
56:31
Adam Curry: This was a setup.
56:33
John C Dvorak: Well, it's interesting to me and I've done
56:35
the last clip as well. I played the last of didn't say what I
56:40
think but this is the Steven son summary. Now here, this is a
56:44
minute and here's the here's the preface to this the setup does
56:48
he sets the guy down and talks to him for 55 minutes. And
56:53
luckily, he's got a producer now that took the kind of the nuts
56:57
out of the 55 minutes and put it at the beginning. So it's been
57:01
produced. Yeah. And the beginning has little snippets of
57:04
really what's what's important because who needs the 55 minutes
57:08
and Tucker I've noticed the starting to go long. With these
57:12
interviews he sit somebody down and he starts talking long hours
57:15
a problem. When you're not, you know, you're not confined by a
57:19
network TV or anything where you got to segment you got to be
57:23
blocked. You got to see block.
57:24
Adam Curry: Yes, this. He's not Joe Rogan.
57:28
John C Dvorak: Right. He's not Joe Rogan. And, and Rogan, you
57:32
know, it goes naturally long, but distrib, I'm reminded of
57:35
writers just as an aside, that Greenwald, Glenn Greenwald is a
57:41
perfect example. When writers when the internet first came
57:44
along, I knew a lot of guys who would you'd write in print, if
57:47
you wrote in a newspaper, in particular, these newspapers
57:51
designed to be top down written. So you write all the important
57:54
stuff at the beginning and gets more and more less important. So
57:57
you can just chop it get Chop, chop, chop, so you can fit it
57:59
into a space. And but news magazine, writers would have a
58:04
certain amount of words you can produce. But once the internet
58:08
showed up, and they could write online, some of these guys just
58:12
didn't know how to stop. Yeah, they would go on and Tucker is
58:15
falling into this category. Agree. So luckily, he's got a
58:19
producer who took the snippets, and put them all at the
58:22
beginning. And here they are,
58:24
Unknown: you've described his his intelligence failure. But if
58:26
failure is something
58:27
that happens accidentally, none of the intelligence was coming
58:29
up talking about the storming of the Capitol killing members of
58:32
Congress were killing my police officers was ever discussed at
58:35
the conference calls that I was on at least doesn't seem to make
58:37
sense at all. It doesn't make sense. I'm looking at my men and
58:40
women having their asses handed to him and my first thought was,
58:42
fuck it. I will take whatever discipline there is,
58:44
once things got out of control for 71 minutes, Pelosi refused
58:49
to allow you to bring in the National Guard. Why don't we
58:51
have answers?
58:52
It doesn't seem like people really want to get to the bottom
58:55
of it. And it gets worse from there. I had a conference call
58:58
with the leaders of all the law enforcement it was a call I
59:01
coordinated not one person on that call talked about any
59:04
concerns for the intelligence the attack on the capital that
59:06
we're seeing that was out that's what's that's what's scary. This
59:09
sounds
59:09
like a setup to me. I'm sorry. It does you Jersey State Police
59:14
beat DC National Guard to the Capitol tweet.
59:16
Cops drove from New Jersey before the National Guard could
59:20
get from the armory on Capitol Hill to the Capitol. Why isn't
59:23
the story everywhere? I have no idea.
59:26
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's good. That's good. Well, you know
59:28
what? There's some self awareness there at least he's
59:31
got a producer that knows what he's doing.
59:33
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that's needed. Yeah. Now my thoughts on
59:39
this are interesting because two reasons for firing Tucker's are
59:44
always blamed nowadays are blamed on dominion. Dominion
59:48
demanded as part of the settlement which was a
59:50
ridiculous settlement to begin with, by the way, make any
59:53
pushed
59:53
Adam Curry: by a lot of prominent podcasters including
59:56
Megyn Kelly, and a whole bunch of other people all saying It
1:00:00
was because of this because of dominion. And we never bought
1:00:03
into that.
1:00:05
John C Dvorak: It's fishy because the whole Dominion
1:00:07
lawsuit is fishy and that the settlement is fishy when you a
1:00:10
company like News Corp could stall a proceeding like that. To
1:00:16
Infinity, they could do it if they wanted to. You don't just
1:00:20
roll over for a billion dollars, it doesn't make any sense. And
1:00:24
whether there was even any injury, it doesn't make any
1:00:27
sense. And so that didn't blame. Tucker's firing on Dominion
1:00:30
demanding it. I think it's this guy. This interview plus the
1:00:34
videotapes that Tucker was starting to roll out was ruining
1:00:38
the great plot to get rid of Trump through this insurrection
1:00:43
rule. statement that's in the Constitution. And Fox was in on
1:00:47
it because Murdoch never wanted Trump to be president. No. And
1:00:52
the Murdochs nowadays are all bunch of Democrats. Well, like
1:00:56
you'd like to say the whole always, always was Democrat run
1:00:59
and so so. So Tucker was ousted. And so Tucker couldn't even get
1:01:04
this interview back. They never showed it. So he went and re
1:01:08
interviewed the guy. Yeah, there you go, which is like, hey, they
1:01:12
didn't expect that, did they?
1:01:14
Adam Curry: Yeah. Well,
1:01:16
John C Dvorak: this really stinks.
1:01:19
Adam Curry: So we need to reiterate that. This was a it
1:01:24
was protection. And they had it set up a long time in advance,
1:01:27
you know, the we had all the National Guard and the fences
1:01:30
and everything. And it was all set. And I'm not even thinking
1:01:33
that they even had the camera angles all set. And we kind of
1:01:36
think back about the televised event that
1:01:38
John C Dvorak: it was, because you never saw that on C span.
1:01:40
No, no, no, they
1:01:41
Adam Curry: had they were all set for it. And the I think
1:01:45
there were just two or three minutes away from a
1:01:47
constitutional procedure, where we say, Hey, hold on a second,
1:01:50
let's take a vote on the ultimate slate of electors,
1:01:53
which has happened, which I think it happens almost every
1:01:55
election, but this election and Pence was clearly co opted into
1:02:00
it. And bar I mean, Trump is great at firing people very bad
1:02:06
at hiring people. And, and, and the right this is a last ditch
1:02:11
effort, but it was set up very, very carefully. And now they're
1:02:13
going to do us a couple of these poor saps as examples to get
1:02:19
this one particular type of conviction. And then the
1:02:24
laughable part of Trump was directing people to do that he
1:02:28
was telling them to go commit violence, which was exactly the
1:02:32
opposite is true. In fact, he said, peacefully, within your
1:02:38
patriotic, patriotic protest, I think he said. And, you know,
1:02:44
maybe in three years, everyone will come around. And we'll all
1:02:48
recognize what really happened. What is out there, and I thought
1:02:51
this was pretty good. I'll play this a supercut. Of the mainly
1:02:56
Democrats, politicians, but also Democrat Party supporters,
1:03:02
calling for violence against Trump when he was president. And
1:03:05
this is from the two 620 16 era.
1:03:09
Unknown: I just don't even know why there aren't uprisings all
1:03:12
over the country, maybe there will be there needs to be unrest
1:03:14
in the streets for as long as there's unrest in our lives. I'd
1:03:17
be better throw a punch, you had to throw a punch
1:03:20
Donald Trump, I think you need to go back and then punch him in
1:03:23
the face and I thought he should have punched him in the face. I
1:03:25
feel like punching him.
1:03:27
I'd like to take him behind the gym. If I were in high school,
1:03:30
or in high school, I'd take him behind the gym and beat the hell
1:03:32
out of him. No, I wish you're in high school. I could take him
1:03:34
behind the gym. I will
1:03:36
go and take Trump out tonight. Take them out now.
1:03:40
When was the last time an actor assassinated a president?
1:03:43
They're still gonna have to go out and put a bullet in Donald
1:03:45
Trump show me where it says that protests are supposed to be
1:03:48
polite, and peaceful.
1:03:56
I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White
1:04:01
House.
1:04:01
Please get up in the face of some congress people. People
1:04:06
will do what they do. I want to tell you for Dutch, I want to
1:04:10
tell you Kavanaugh you have released the whirlwind and you
1:04:16
will pay a price target
1:04:18
to go in there we're going to this is just a warning to you.
1:04:23
Trumpers Be careful. Walk lightly. And for those of you
1:04:29
who are soldiers make them pity if you had to be stuck in an
1:04:34
elevator with either President Trump Mike Pence and Jeff
1:04:36
Sessions who wouldn't be one of us have to come out alive
1:04:44
Adam Curry: Yes a memorable moments in there. Yeah. So
1:04:47
that's that, by the way is political speech. It's all good
1:04:50
political free speech, even though they're being very
1:04:53
violent, appalling calling for violence, etc.
1:04:56
John C Dvorak: This was another little thing I want to add to
1:04:58
this idea that this You know all about the insurrection to try to
1:05:02
set trump up for that he's been he did say peaceful is the is
1:05:08
the bull crap story about him wanting to go to the Capitol and
1:05:12
the Secret Service guys refusing to take him there? I think the
1:05:15
Secret Service guys have been on his side all along. And if and I
1:05:20
brought this up in the newsletter, which is a question
1:05:23
is just like I should have brought up in the last show,
1:05:26
which is with this guy that they shot to Trump guy, they shot the
1:05:31
FBI shot because he was threatening Biden. Why is the
1:05:34
FBI investigating? This isn't is supposed to be the Secret
1:05:38
Service? What's the FBI got to do with it?
1:05:41
Adam Curry: One of our producers emailed me that he has a friend
1:05:45
who works at the Secret Service. And he asked this exact
1:05:47
question. And he said, I don't know you should ask them money,
1:05:51
something like that. So now there's a lot of things wrong.
1:05:57
But I love this
1:05:57
John C Dvorak: this was wrong. Yeah, I guess that's one way of
1:06:01
putting it
1:06:02
Adam Curry: listen to this Newsmax or would they not what
1:06:04
they're now doing Newsmax they're so they're so afraid of
1:06:07
getting D platformed themselves happened,
1:06:10
Unknown: and that they allowed that to happen? And that media
1:06:13
doesn't want anybody to talk about it. We just have to make
1:06:15
sure they don't cheat on the elections, because that's the
1:06:18
question I get more Sir, will they do it again? Will they
1:06:20
cheat again, we're not gonna let them I believe I won that
1:06:23
election by many, many votes, many, many hundreds of 1000s of
1:06:27
us. That's what I think just to note, Newsmax has accepted the
1:06:30
election results as legal. And final.
1:06:35
Adam Curry: Just a note, we have accepted the results as legal
1:06:38
and final. Yeah, because they have to disclaim everything now,
1:06:42
otherwise, you know, they get in trouble. Okay, so you're no
1:06:46
agenda show producers out there, which is truly your show because
1:06:50
you give us as much information as you possibly can. We've been
1:06:54
ahead of these types of stories and been called nut jobs for
1:06:57
many, many years. And it was in fact, in March of 2020, when we
1:07:03
called the the panic around COVID that we call that bull
1:07:08
crap. And certainly, I think a lot of people came to the show
1:07:13
and felt a lot calmer during this whole period, which was a
1:07:18
version of mass MK Ultra traumatizing, not just
1:07:22
Americans, but the entire world. And it's still being used. And
1:07:26
now we are three years later working on the full third year.
1:07:30
Yeah. No, no. Yeah. For three, almost 434 years. And now Oh,
1:07:36
yes. But now people are figuring it out. Oh, okay. Here's the
1:07:40
money. Honey was Senator Ron Johnson, they've finally figured
1:07:43
it out.
1:07:44
Unknown: It's just extraordinary to me that, you know, the
1:07:48
government was working with social media to amplify lies and
1:07:52
suppress truth and has been doing so repeatedly. Why
1:07:55
couldn't the American people know that? You know, there were
1:07:59
other alternatives to treat? COVID? Why can't the American
1:08:03
people know that there were side effects with the vaccine?
1:08:05
This was all pre planned by any elite group of people. That's
1:08:09
what I'm talking about event two, a one that occurred in late
1:08:12
2019. Prior to the rest of us knowing about this pandemic.
1:08:17
Again. This is very concerning in terms of what has happened.
1:08:22
What is happening, what continues to be planned for our
1:08:26
loss of freedom. Again, it
1:08:29
Adam Curry: is Maria Bartiromo. Oh, yeah, I see it now
1:08:33
Unknown: most but unfortunately, they're very better than Yup.
1:08:36
Not much, even in concert willing to take a look at this.
1:08:40
They all push the vaccine. They don't want to be made aware of
1:08:44
the fact that the vaccines might have caused injuries might have
1:08:46
caused death. But people just simply don't want to admit they
1:08:50
were wrong, and they're gonna do everything they can to make sure
1:08:53
that they're not proven wrong. We're up against a very powerful
1:08:56
group of people here, Maria bunting, unfortunately, you say
1:08:59
what can we do? Well, you know, we do have reporters like
1:09:01
yourself, like John Solomon, other people that have the
1:09:04
courage to report the truth against the mainstream media and
1:09:08
against the narrative. But that's the only way this is
1:09:10
going to be solved as we need the truth to be exposed. We need
1:09:14
more Americans to listen to the truth on podcast host to the
1:09:17
truth, to pull their heads on the sand, quite honestly open up
1:09:20
their eyes and understand what is happening in this country. We
1:09:23
are going down a very dangerous path. But it's a path is being
1:09:27
laid out in plan by an elite group. Hello,
1:09:30
Adam Curry: hello, Senator. Hello, Senator, we're going down
1:09:32
the dangerous path
1:09:35
Unknown: under control over our lives, and that's what they're
1:09:38
doing bit by bit. They do it by increasing mafia, massive
1:09:42
government spending, increase the size of government takeover
1:09:46
of the coup, these amendments that are coming up, they're
1:09:48
going to be voted on in 2024 and the who are frightening and they
1:09:53
really risk taking away all of our sovereignty, but people have
1:09:56
to wake up awakened to the dangers of the moment.
1:09:59
Adam Curry: So now We have the big walk back. And this is
1:10:01
important because it's happening. One of our producers
1:10:04
even pointed something out to us that we we barely caught. The
1:10:08
big walk back is taking place now and we have to pay attention
1:10:11
to it and we will certainly highlight it whenever we catch
1:10:15
it. So the first thing is taking place as the FDA gets hauled
1:10:20
into court. Doctors are suing the FDA because they lost their
1:10:23
practice. They've lost their license, they've lost their
1:10:26
careers, because they prescribed Oh, horrors. They prescribed
1:10:31
ivermectin as you, as you said on the previous episode about
1:10:37
the horse, the PBS show the all horse
1:10:41
John C Dvorak: show where they showed the horse.
1:10:43
Adam Curry: Because New because people were taking horse
1:10:46
ivermectin. Some actually were because you couldn't get
1:10:50
ivermectin in pill form at doctors, pharmacies. We're not
1:10:55
We're not allowed to prescribe it. We're not allowed to fill
1:10:58
prescriptions, doctors that prescribe to
1:11:02
John C Dvorak: prescribe good I've talked to pharmacists, the
1:11:04
young if a doctor prescribed it to pharmacy couldn't fill it.
1:11:07
Adam Curry: So just a two minute clip from this. From this
1:11:12
hearing, and you say at the judge, you're going to hear the
1:11:15
millennial. Nothing against millennials, but just It's
1:11:19
notable. This doesn't sound like a seasoned lawyer who was
1:11:23
defending the FDA because the FDA was tweeting, stop it. Stop
1:11:29
it. Stop. Stop taking ivermectin stop prescribing ivermectin. And
1:11:35
these doctors said, Well, you know, you said stop it. And it
1:11:40
was very clear and your directives and now they're
1:11:42
walking it back saying no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
1:11:46
you're misunderstanding what we were saying.
1:11:49
John C Dvorak: I love by the way. I love this one because I
1:11:52
think it's in here. They said it was a quip
1:11:55
Unknown: whippy and may it please the Court, Ashley Honnold
1:12:00
for the United States. This case is about informational
1:12:03
statements made by the US Food and Drug Administration to
1:12:07
inform consumers about the dangers of using certain drugs.
1:12:12
He made these statements in response to multiple reports of
1:12:16
consumers being hospitalized, after self medicating with
1:12:20
ivermectin intended for horses, which is available for purchase
1:12:24
over the counter without the need for prescription.
1:12:29
Adam Curry: You see how there this is? It's just not true. It
1:12:33
was. It was in fact, CNN mainly, who accused Joe Rogan of taking
1:12:39
a horse medicine. And you remember he had he had Gupta?
1:12:44
Which,
1:12:45
John C Dvorak: yes, he had Gupta. Sanjay Gupta. Who do you
1:12:49
Adam Curry: know what? Why? Why were you lying? So I had regular
1:12:52
ivermectin, which is just a pill form for humans. And you kept
1:12:55
saying I was taking horse paste. So now that they're lying,
1:13:01
they're lying. Because now they say, oh, no, that was because
1:13:03
people were taking horse horse medication if
1:13:05
Unknown: they did not purport to require anyone to do anything,
1:13:09
or to prohibit anyone from do what about
1:13:12
when it said No, stop it. That's the judge. Why is that a
1:13:17
command? That seems to me it's that's if you were an English
1:13:22
class, they would say that was a command stop it. That is
1:13:27
different than we're providing helpful information.
1:13:32
Your Honor, the language that the FDA used in these tweets are
1:13:36
merely clips. And I don't think that these clips change the
1:13:40
substance of FDA statements as plaintiffs consider that
1:13:43
a command. Stop it.
1:13:47
The tweets about the horse ivermectin were intended to
1:13:51
advise consumers that they should not use ivermectin
1:13:54
intended for animals and that this could be unsafe. I'm sorry.
1:13:57
Can you answer the question, please? Is that a command stop
1:14:03
it? In some contexts, those words could be construed as a
1:14:11
command. But in this context, where FDA was simply using these
1:14:15
words in the context of a quippy tweet meant to share its
1:14:19
informational article. Those statements do not rise to the
1:14:22
level of a command. Plaintiffs concede that it was proper for
1:14:26
FDA to identify floche ivermectin is FDA authorized for
1:14:32
it's FDA approved for certain conditions like skin conditions
1:14:37
or parasites and it's not FDA approved for treating COVID
1:14:43
Adam Curry: quippy the FDA in a life or death situation where
1:14:47
we're locked down, can't leave our homes have to close
1:14:50
restaurants and stores. They're just hard. They're just goofing
1:14:54
around doing quippy stuff.
1:14:56
John C Dvorak: Yeah, they're humorous. they're funny,
1:14:59
Adam Curry: they're doing comedy.
1:15:00
John C Dvorak: He quit doing stand up
1:15:02
Adam Curry: quippy. What is the exact definition of quippy?
1:15:06
John C Dvorak: Is it like a short gag or a one liner?
1:15:09
Adam Curry: Because I mean is this the job of the FDA quip is
1:15:12
a shortening of quippy a noun or a noun no longer in use. About
1:15:16
that?
1:15:17
John C Dvorak: I don't know about that. The clever usually
1:15:20
Adam Curry: taunting remark is the first definition, or a
1:15:23
witty, or funny observation or response usually made on the
1:15:27
spur of the moment. So that would be my cross examination.
1:15:32
Are you in the comedy business? FDA? Tell we got to walk it
1:15:37
back. Oh, no, no, haha, we didn't tell.we didn't ruin
1:15:40
doctors careers. We didn't we just happen to laugh. Just
1:15:44
having a laugh. Like on CBS. And this is one of our producers
1:15:49
caught with Dr. Celine gounder was talking about COVID
1:15:55
returning, and about your booster booster
1:15:59
Unknown: that's in the fall. So the booster at it.
1:16:02
Everyone's six months and up can get the booster if they want to.
1:16:06
But the groups again that most needed are the groups I
1:16:09
mentioned earlier. So the elderly, pregnant women, people
1:16:13
who have immunosuppression, chronic medical conditions,
1:16:16
especially heart or lung disease, and people who live in
1:16:19
nursing homes or other groups. But if you're not
1:16:21
in that group, do you think you don't really have to get it?
1:16:23
That's what I'm trying before.
1:16:25
That's really up to you. Okay, so some people feel more
1:16:28
concerned, you know, are you the person who gets the flu shot
1:16:30
every year, you're probably going to want to get that COVID
1:16:32
shot. If you're, you know, if you've already been fully
1:16:35
vaccinated, it's less important for that young healthy group.
1:16:39
You mentioned flu shot last year.
1:16:41
Adam Curry: So now it's up to you
1:16:43
John C Dvorak: to know they've softened it a lot. And that you
1:16:46
should notice this and we haven't pointed it out, but it's
1:16:49
been going on, it's up to you.
1:16:50
Adam Curry: It's not, we're not being forced forcing that
1:16:53
there's no mandate. It's not like you're gonna get fired from
1:16:56
your job.
1:16:58
John C Dvorak: You're gonna kill your grandmom if you don't get
1:17:00
it, stuff like that. And
1:17:01
Adam Curry: now we have Eris, which is a variant of interest
1:17:08
Unknown: was interesting. I was talking with some friends about
1:17:10
the last time we had a booster shot. We used to get them so
1:17:13
regularly and it's been a minute, the World Health
1:17:16
Organization has labeled eg five as a variant of interest. I'm
1:17:19
wondering what would need to happen for it to become a
1:17:22
variant of concern and how much more important become for us to
1:17:26
get boosted. Boost?
1:17:28
Yes. Well, Ilana to become a variant of concern, it would
1:17:32
have to either cause more severe disease, or even more
1:17:36
importantly, evade the protection of our current and
1:17:39
anticipated vaccines. And the Food and Drug Administration has
1:17:44
said, we'll have a new monovalent booster ready for the
1:17:48
fall to carry us through the winter. We expect this vaccine
1:17:53
to be available sometime in September, perhaps late
1:17:56
September. So stay tuned for those announcements.
1:18:00
Adam Curry: Stay tuned. What is this commercial? Oh, I'm sorry.
1:18:03
Yes, it is. Stay tuned for more information. Stay tuned. Keep
1:18:07
keep it here on CBS for more information on this great
1:18:11
product.
1:18:15
John C Dvorak: Very seriously. This is interesting because it
1:18:17
leads into this series of clips on the agency captures and this
1:18:23
is the thing Kennedy's harping on which is that the FDA, the
1:18:27
NIH and the CDC have all been captured by the industry, by
1:18:31
Adam Curry: the way, Kennedy because we had dinner with my
1:18:34
sister last night with their family. Couple of No, Tiffany.
1:18:39
Tiffany, yeah, no Willow we're seeing in Italy next week. Okay.
1:18:44
And, you know, so
1:18:45
John C Dvorak: Denise, the activities are more gossipy one,
1:18:48
she's quite amazing to talk to.
1:18:53
Adam Curry: I'm gonna send this clip to her. Yes, she has the
1:18:56
cost and she definitely is the gossipy walk. And so she would
1:19:00
you know, what are you guys thinking about present? And we
1:19:03
say, No, we've really we're really liking this Kennedy's.
1:19:05
He's talking some sense here. She says, But wait, isn't he
1:19:09
just he's a just using the Kennedy name as an anti Vaxxer.
1:19:14
Nuff said.
1:19:15
John C Dvorak: It spreads everywhere versus which is gonna
1:19:17
Adam Curry: work but it works. That That message is global.
1:19:23
It's a good one. It's solid. It's solid.
1:19:26
John C Dvorak: Well, he's got time he's got to he's got to the
1:19:28
end of the year to reverse that message. A good luck and good
1:19:32
luck with that. I'm sure ops Yeah,
1:19:37
Adam Curry: ops OPERS will be OPERS.
1:19:39
John C Dvorak: So let's go as Farm Agency capture one this is
1:19:42
quite interesting.
1:19:43
Unknown: Follow the money. That's the message from
1:19:45
government watchdog group open the books this week. It's just
1:19:49
released a report on the extent of third party royalty payments
1:19:53
flowing to scientists at the National Institutes of Health.
1:19:57
While royalty payments aren't illegal, they are live that
1:20:00
could potentially create conflicts of interest. Earlier
1:20:03
today I spoke with the founder and CEO of open the books, Adam
1:20:07
and Jeff ski. Adam, thanks so much for joining us. Your latest
1:20:10
report poses the question has the healthcare industry captured
1:20:14
the NIH? In summary, what in your findings caused you to ask
1:20:18
that?
1:20:18
Well, the entire pharmaceutical complex in the United States is
1:20:22
roughly 3000 companies. And that includes the new startups. When
1:20:26
we just cracked open the companies paying third party
1:20:30
royalties, $325 million, with a third party company royalties
1:20:36
back to the NIH and 2400 of its scientists, there's actually
1:20:39
over 2000 companies in the database. So it begs the
1:20:42
question, has the industry captured the agency? Because
1:20:47
this third party wealthy scheme runs so deep?
1:20:50
Adam Curry: Wait a minute, there's gambling going on there?
1:20:53
John C Dvorak: How long? 325 million to 2500. Guys, and I
1:20:57
guess I don't know how
1:20:58
Adam Curry: long have we been talking about this forever.
1:21:02
John C Dvorak: We don't have numbers and this guy's this
1:21:04
guy's opened the books. He's got an interesting project. And
1:21:07
we'll get into it at the last clip all mentioned it. This is
1:21:11
an open source project. It's quite Oh, quite unique. Here we
1:21:14
go.
1:21:14
Unknown: Last year, the acting director of the NIH, Lawrence
1:21:17
Tabak had said wealty payments have the appearance of a
1:21:21
potential conflict of interest. Do you have a specific example
1:21:24
of that from the data?
1:21:25
Well, we do so there's a Chinese company that actually licensed
1:21:30
technology in his paying royalties to the former director
1:21:34
and the current director of vouches Institute, they've got a
1:21:38
lab over there called the lab of infectious diseases. He's all
1:21:42
that company is also paying royalties to pay the royalty to
1:21:46
Douglas Lowry, who is he he is three times the Acting Director
1:21:50
of the National Cancer Institute. So these are leaders
1:21:53
within the institutes over at NIH, and they're receiving
1:21:56
royalties from a foreign payer, located in China and owned by
1:22:00
the Chinese Communist Party. sinopharm sinopharm was the they
1:22:05
distributed and manufacture the Chinese version of the COVID-19
1:22:08
vaccine. This rule on Institute of biological products that's
1:22:13
cutting the royalty checks to these executives over at NIH is
1:22:17
also very close, both in proximity their neighbors to the
1:22:22
Wuhan Institute of neurology, and they collaborate with the
1:22:25
Wuhan Institute of neurology on different projects as well. So I
1:22:29
think this is a great example of, of, you know, the potential,
1:22:34
an entire landscape littered with conflict of interest,
1:22:39
Adam Curry: you know, these clips are actually a problem.
1:22:41
It's because of these clips that peep longtime producers who have
1:22:45
been listening to the show, they say, I can't take it anymore. I
1:22:48
have to stop listening. My wife.
1:22:50
John C Dvorak: She says, I can't listen to the show. It's to
1:22:54
dance. To dance, I have to take a nap halfway through it. We
1:22:59
talked about this and I said let's make the show more dense.
1:23:03
Unknown: She has to take a nap
1:23:07
John C Dvorak: her out. Because this is all new information.
1:23:12
Anybody who just hears it. But it does scandal to me and this
1:23:16
one is that an NIH and the CDC, these people this is these are
1:23:21
taxpayer funded operations.
1:23:24
Adam Curry: And half. Half of NIH is money comes from the
1:23:28
military. Also, yes. Which
1:23:30
John C Dvorak: is taxpayer funded, that those royalties
1:23:33
coming in from from licensing should go to the taxpayers, it
1:23:36
should go to the coffers of the government not to a bunch of of
1:23:40
creeps that are skimming money from the from the taxpayer. This
1:23:44
is ridiculous. But we've known
1:23:47
Adam Curry: that we didn't know the exact numbers, which is
1:23:49
nice. But does he also say how much went to Fauci how much went
1:23:52
to Colin? What? Oh, he's just
1:23:55
John C Dvorak: Yeah, he does. In fact, in the last clip, he did
1:23:58
mention that was the deal. Fauci Institute never heard of that
1:24:01
one. Yeah, and Fauci, the head of the NIH got half the money,
1:24:05
but just go to clip three,
1:24:07
Unknown: and he mentioned foreign countries. In these
1:24:10
payments. Your investigation found drugmakers in 31 foreign
1:24:14
countries, including China, as you mentioned, Russia and
1:24:17
Belarus, which had paid royalties to top NIH officials.
1:24:21
Should American taxpayers be concerned about that? Yeah.
1:24:26
Countries like Belarus, which is rabid government corruption and
1:24:30
is a satellite puppet of Putin in Russia, who knew that US
1:24:36
taxpayer paid inventions over at our crown jewel science labs are
1:24:39
being licensed to companies in Belarus, or animal vaccine
1:24:44
makers in Russia, with which the Washington Post had alleged has
1:24:48
historic Soviet ties to being a front for a bio weapons factory.
1:24:55
I mean, you know, there is the entire database here. or has the
1:25:01
potential to unearth not only conflict of interest, but also
1:25:08
ways that all these different companies used our crown jewel
1:25:11
national lab to outsource their own research and development.
1:25:16
Adam Curry: No, yeah. Beautiful. Beautiful. Beautiful. Not Not
1:25:21
everybody's winning though. No, no, no, no, no, no, no quickie
1:25:26
Unknown: down to the Supreme Court temporarily blocking the
1:25:29
landmark opioid settlement with Purdue pharma, the maker of
1:25:32
Oxycontin, by the administration objected to the part of the deal
1:25:35
with shields the company's owners, the Sackler family from
1:25:38
civil opioid related lawsuits, the company also agreed to pay
1:25:42
$6 billion to victims and families of the opioid crisis.
1:25:46
The court is expected to hear arguments before the end of the
1:25:49
year.
1:25:49
Adam Curry: Now, I think I know what's going on here because the
1:25:52
Sackler family, although they kind of invented the model, they
1:25:56
are peanuts compared to Johnson and Johnson, who paid I think
1:26:00
$25 billion in fines, Walgreens, who were distributing boys, the
1:26:05
big boys that and so like, you know, the Sacklers they were
1:26:10
kind of douche is they didn't share. They didn't share and all
1:26:13
the money. They didn't give anything to
1:26:16
John C Dvorak: the FDA. They get yeah, there's an element of
1:26:20
Adam Curry: jobs, but they did. There was no real big payment
1:26:23
money screw those guys will have them take the fall. And now I'm
1:26:27
even questioning Michael Keaton's documentary, which was
1:26:31
really so putting the whole opioid crisis on the Sackler
1:26:35
family. Well, that's disingenuous.
1:26:40
John C Dvorak: Alright, we got clips for and this is the one
1:26:42
people should listen carefully to this.
1:26:44
Adam Curry: We just play a clip for no. Oh, I'm sorry. So
1:26:47
John C Dvorak: clips for is the is the call the money shot. It's
1:26:53
interesting for anyone out there who was always bitching that we
1:26:56
do, do not, we're not activists on this show, we just produce
1:27:00
news. But this guy is
1:27:01
Unknown: now the age still refuses to disclose the amount
1:27:05
of money paid, and the inventions involved. So what's
1:27:08
next in this case for your organization?
1:27:12
Well, the NIH has tried to stop us at every turn from getting
1:27:15
this information to the American people. They ignored our Freedom
1:27:18
of Information Act requests, they forced us to file expensive
1:27:21
federal litigation, when we won that they slow walked 3000 pages
1:27:26
of royalty production over the course of a 10 month period. It
1:27:29
was so redacted It was nearly worthless. But just last week,
1:27:33
they caved on the name of the company. So for the first time
1:27:36
since 2005, we can tell who paid Fauci, former director of NIH,
1:27:42
Francis Collins, and all 20 407 of its scientists, and we've,
1:27:46
we're looking for crowdsource reform come to our website, we
1:27:50
make this database available in an Excel format. So it's very
1:27:54
easy to search and you can search and help us unearth the
1:27:58
stories to hold the NIH accountable. And that's
1:28:01
open the books.com Thank you so much. Adam NTF ski founder and
1:28:05
CEO of open the books really appreciate it.
1:28:08
Adam Curry: Was this an 80 NTD report or Yeah, yeah, yeah, so
1:28:12
this will go nowhere.
1:28:15
John C Dvorak: Oh, no. Well, we got that part. We did our part.
1:28:18
Where's Ron
1:28:19
Adam Curry: Johnson on the story. Now he's
1:28:21
John C Dvorak: too busy to get a date with Maria
1:28:27
Adam Curry: they might make a cute couple actually not think
1:28:29
about it would be not be too bad. I'll be too bad. Oh, man.
1:28:34
It's a mess. It's a mess. Hilarious. It really
1:28:38
John C Dvorak: I mean, these guys are just soaking the
1:28:39
American taxpayer is unbelievable.
1:28:45
Adam Curry: How about little climate change? I mean, okay,
1:28:48
you know, people actually, they keep telling me to say we really
1:28:53
miss our little journey through the climate gets to the gate to
1:28:58
the
1:29:06
outdoors back Oh, Gore is back.
1:29:09
Unknown: Does anyone remember massage?
1:29:10
Adam Curry: Does anyone remember that? He got in trouble for
1:29:13
massaging or for rubbing against the misuse his leg like a horny
1:29:17
poodle?
1:29:19
Unknown: I think that was the boys himself.
1:29:22
Adam Curry: Yeah. So Well, that was that was just an Oopsie.
1:29:24
It's my bathroom fell open, man. What can I tell you? I'm sorry
1:29:28
about that. And no one remembers that. Well, his wife is ex wife
1:29:32
tipper does I guess? Yes.
1:29:34
John C Dvorak: She's long gone. Yeah,
1:29:35
Adam Curry: she's like, Screw this guy. I'm out. So he's back.
1:29:38
He has a new slide deck. As you recall, this is how it all is
1:29:43
how it all started for him. I mean,
1:29:46
John C Dvorak: he neglects all the predictions he made that
1:29:48
first early movie, which was hard to find now is all wrong.
1:29:52
Adam Curry: Yeah, it's it's kind of the part that is missing is
1:29:58
when he started the carbon exchange. Ain't without without
1:30:00
other globalist elitist guy who's dead now, because they had
1:30:04
it all planned out. Like we're gonna we're gonna exchange like
1:30:08
a Wall Street for carbon credits yeah for carbon credits and, and
1:30:11
then we're gonna get this, this and he had a slide deck and this
1:30:14
is what he was going around everywhere and he finally got
1:30:17
this movie made this documentary, we stock footage of
1:30:21
polar bears looking really sad on a piece of ice
1:30:24
John C Dvorak: even though there's more polar bears now
1:30:26
than there was then.
1:30:28
Adam Curry: So he's back and he did a TED, he did a TED with an
1:30:32
audience that was all in hooting and hollering. I just got about
1:30:36
a minute and a half, just of the little core piece. The most
1:30:40
Unknown: important question these days is how can we speed
1:30:44
up solutions to the climate crisis?
1:30:48
Where's my money?
1:30:49
I'm convinced we are going to solve the climate crisis. We've
1:30:52
got this but the question remains will we saw that in
1:30:56
time, others have said we're kind of in a race. So I'll give
1:31:00
you the shortest definition of the problem. If I was going to
1:31:04
give a one slide slide show, which he doesn't use 100 slides,
1:31:08
it would be this slide. That's the troposphere, the lowest part
1:31:13
of the atmosphere. And you already know why it's blue.
1:31:15
That's the oxygen that refracts the
1:31:18
John C Dvorak: vision is blue,
1:31:21
Adam Curry: was waiting for the chemists to come out and refute
1:31:24
this was
1:31:25
Unknown: part of the atmosphere. And you already know why it's
1:31:27
blue. That's the oxygen that refracts the blue light. And if
1:31:32
you could drive a car at highway speed straight up in the air,
1:31:35
you'd get to the top of that blue line and about five to
1:31:37
seven minutes, you could walk it in an hour. And all of the
1:31:41
greenhouse gas pollution is below you. That's what we're
1:31:45
using as an open sewer. That's the problem. And it's causing
1:31:49
Adam Curry: stop pooping in the troposphere, people. We need to
1:31:52
solve global warming, you're pooping in it. It's an open
1:31:55
sewer,
1:31:56
Unknown: and a lot of second and third order consequences. And we
1:31:59
saw some of them in the northern tier cities, including Detroit.
1:32:04
This one's from New York City, all the fires and, and it's
1:32:07
showing
1:32:07
Adam Curry: the Red Skies from the Canadian fires. You see,
1:32:10
this is all because of climate change. And he's showing New
1:32:13
York City engulfed in red
1:32:15
Unknown: from New York City, all the fires and in Canada, and we
1:32:18
have gotten used to the fact that the world suffers deep
1:32:21
droughts, and huge rain bombs and downpours and bombs
1:32:26
simultaneously. The really ingenious new gravity measuring
1:32:30
satellite has given us for the first time the opportunity to
1:32:33
see how this plays out.
1:32:36
Adam Curry: I missed something on this. What is this ingenious
1:32:39
gravity satellite that he speaks of?
1:32:41
John C Dvorak: I haven't heard of it either.
1:32:42
Adam Curry: This is news to me. The really
1:32:45
Unknown: ingenious new gravity measuring satellite has given us
1:32:48
for the first time the opportunity to see how this
1:32:51
plays out worldwide. We get these huge surpluses of water
1:32:58
the rain bombs and the drought simultaneous.
1:33:01
Adam Curry: Why is he laughing? I mean, it's I know why I'm
1:33:06
laughing. But why is he laughing about this? This huge drought
1:33:11
and then the rain bombs, rain bombs? Is he the only one
1:33:15
talking about rain bomb? I don't think we've had rain bombs ever
1:33:18
John C Dvorak: hurry. Yeah, but it'll show up because he's the
1:33:19
first to talk to you about the boiling ocean.
1:33:22
Adam Curry: Yes, yeah. Rain bombs, and the board
1:33:24
John C Dvorak: came back.
1:33:25
Unknown: We get these huge surpluses of water, the rain
1:33:31
bombs and the drought simultaneously. And as you can
1:33:34
see the amplitude
1:33:35
John C Dvorak: Yeah, makes sense. Yeah, simultaneously,
1:33:39
drought and rain. Uh huh. Yeah,
1:33:41
Adam Curry: it's the same way that the pavement is reflective
1:33:45
and soaks up at the same time it soaks and it's it's amazing
1:33:49
Unknown: water, the rain bombs and the drought simultaneously.
1:33:53
And as you can see, the amplitude is increasing. And at
1:33:56
both ends of our planet right now, we're seeing signs of
1:34:00
distress course. You know, just I've often said every night on
1:34:04
the TV news is like a major hike through the book of Revelation.
1:34:06
And just today,
1:34:08
Adam Curry: hold on a second. This like a nature hike through
1:34:11
the book of Revelation. Well, this is good news. Jesus is
1:34:17
coming back.
1:34:18
John C Dvorak: So what he's saying,
1:34:20
Unknown: He's saying now we're seeing signs of distress course.
1:34:24
You know, just I've often said every night on the TV news is
1:34:27
like a major hike through the book of Revelation, and just
1:34:30
today, big flooding in Montpelier, Vermont, in southern
1:34:35
Japan and India. And I haven't done a complete scan, but every
1:34:39
single day, it's like that.
1:34:42
Adam Curry: I just can't get over. That's a faux pa Gao gore.
1:34:47
It's like, oh, okay, book 13. Where are we at? Now clubs. How
1:34:52
close are we he's a prophet. The man is a prophet. So then I run
1:34:56
into this, this report I think it was on Dorjee Vela or TR T.
1:35:04
And it's a half hour report is called deflecting the sun's
1:35:07
rays. Now you see, the stuff that that we were always laughed
1:35:14
at about chemtrails, and they're not putting anything in the air.
1:35:18
This is crazy. No one would ever do that is to eclipse. This
1:35:23
first guy is going to talk about how we block the sun or, or the
1:35:27
term we just recently learned solar radiation management.
1:35:32
Unknown: I had a chat with Andy Pittman about it. He's director
1:35:35
of the UC Center of Excellence for climate extremes. That's an
1:35:39
organization that's working to have no
1:35:41
Adam Curry: idea where they put the classical piano under this
1:35:43
guy. I mean, it goes away. But it's very, it's an odd choice
1:35:46
Unknown: with extremes. That's an organization that's working
1:35:49
to reduce Australia's economic, social, and environmental
1:35:52
vulnerability. The news is the US Navy looking into researching
1:35:57
something called solar radiation modification or modification on
1:36:02
blocking? What exactly is that.
1:36:05
So this has been well understood for a very long time. Yeah,
1:36:09
indeed, same processes we see when a volcanic eruption occurs.
1:36:14
And sulfate aerosols are injected into the stratosphere,
1:36:19
the high levels of the atmosphere, and they reflect
1:36:22
sunlight, and they help cool the planet for a short period of
1:36:25
time. The problem is, you can't really control it. So where you
1:36:29
emit the sulfates, spreads. And if you wanted to use it to
1:36:35
offset global warming, there's the too trivial matter of
1:36:40
needing to do it, or wherever you need to actually be emitting
1:36:45
aerosols into the stratosphere for very long periods of time.
1:36:49
And when you stop, the climate responds back to the warming
1:36:55
level you would have had had you never done it in the first
1:36:59
place. So it is a viable technology in principle, but
1:37:04
it's much much simpler just to reduce emissions of greenhouse
1:37:08
gases.
1:37:10
Ideally, that is what we would like. All of us would like to
1:37:14
have happen. But it's possible scientists can actually have
1:37:17
this done on a scale that could reduce global warming. What
1:37:22
would it take even?
1:37:23
I would take literally many hundreds of airplanes flying and
1:37:29
injecting sulfates into the stratosphere on an ongoing
1:37:33
basis. See an immense engineering challenge. And it
1:37:40
sounds so simple.
1:37:45
John C Dvorak: Yeah, we need to stab rose Blofeld. should do
1:37:50
this the James Bond. Yeah, I have one global warming carbon,
1:37:56
Adam Curry: I have a companion to this clip.
1:38:00
John C Dvorak: As a companion, because another guy was, you
1:38:03
know, Bill Gates wants to do this to know Bill
1:38:05
Adam Curry: Gates is doing this. He is doing this.
1:38:09
Unknown: But he should be. He should
1:38:10
John C Dvorak: be arrested immediately if he's doing this.
1:38:13
So there's
1:38:14
Adam Curry: a new term I had not heard of, maybe I do we just
1:38:17
missed it. Rubisco Are you familiar with Rubisco? Now what
1:38:22
does it mean? Okay, Rubisco? Well, there's Rubisco and
1:38:25
Rubisco foods. Rubisco is an enzyme. I'm reading from
1:38:31
Wikipedia involved in light independent or part of
1:38:34
photosynthesis, including the carbon fixation
1:38:37
Unknown: synthesis. Yeah.
1:38:39
Adam Curry: When I say synthesis synthesis, I mean in Europe,
1:38:44
John C Dvorak: by which atmosphere it made me the way
1:38:46
they pronounce it,
1:38:47
Adam Curry: by which atmospheric carbon dioxide is converted by
1:38:51
plants and other photosynthetic organisms to energy rich
1:38:53
molecules such as glucose, a word a term I'm hearing too much
1:38:57
of these days. So this is the the crap that plants make. But
1:39:04
then we have Rubisco foods, which is quite the multinational
1:39:09
Rubisco foods, make Rubisco plant protein, a plant protein,
1:39:15
which is stored in all green leaves, it's responsible for the
1:39:18
process of photosynthesis, and is considered to be the most
1:39:22
abundant protein present on earth. So these guys,
1:39:27
apparently, let's
1:39:27
John C Dvorak: block out the sun so you can keep this protein
1:39:30
from happening. So we all starve to death. Let's kill all humans.
1:39:33
Adam Curry: So now the same in the same special, this is part
1:39:37
of the solution. Obviously, we don't need meat, we need to be
1:39:40
eating protein and Rubisco is the way to go.
1:39:43
Unknown: Scientists describe Rubisco as nature's most
1:39:46
dominant carbon dioxide fixing enzyme and are very interested
1:39:50
in its role in the global carbon cycle. But we've got Sailesh Rao
1:39:55
on the show to make this simply enough for us to understand
1:39:58
hopefully, he's found Then the executive director of climate
1:40:01
healers, a company that, among many things, tries to help
1:40:04
people understand that we all have the resources we need to
1:40:07
solve each of our global problems. So it's a pleasure,
1:40:10
thank you for your time.
1:40:11
Thank you for having me. Before
1:40:13
we start, I just have to say your website climate healers.
1:40:16
Org describes in fascinating detail how you got involved in
1:40:20
environmentalism, starting with the seeing a documentary by Al
1:40:24
Gore.
1:40:26
Adam Curry: Doesn't get any better than that. This Jumoke
1:40:30
saw Al Gore's documentary in 2007. And he had to get into the
1:40:35
game,
1:40:36
Unknown: tell us a bit about Rubisco how beneficial it is and
1:40:41
can be
1:40:41
it is plant protein. And it is ubiquitous in the world. And to
1:40:48
me, it is a signal from nature saying protein is everywhere.
1:40:53
So, to eat plants, you're gonna get your protein because protein
1:40:57
is the building block of life. Unless we're eating rocks, we
1:41:01
are going to get enough protein in our diet.
1:41:03
Adam Curry: Oh, hold on a second. This may be a new one.
1:41:07
I'm hearing rocks in our diet in the future. Do rocks contain
1:41:11
protein? Tonight
1:41:13
Unknown: know of is a building block of life. Unless we are
1:41:17
eating rocks, we are going to get enough protein in our diet.
1:41:21
Day. So the plant proteins are the best proteins for us to eat.
1:41:28
As human beings.
1:41:29
Researchers seem convinced that Rubisco can rival meat and
1:41:34
affordability taste, ease of production. So you agree.
1:41:39
I agree. It's made from you know, alfalfa and simple. I
1:41:44
mean, it's made from leafy matter, which is everywhere
1:41:47
leaves, right. And you can literally eat greens and get
1:41:53
protein that is more protein and broccoli per calorie than
1:41:58
John C Dvorak: four stomachs. Sorry. So especially if you have
1:42:02
four stomachs and you're a ruminant. Yeah, that's good for
1:42:04
you.
1:42:05
Unknown: But calorie, then there isn't beef. You know?
1:42:08
Adam Curry: Whoa, whoa, let me hear that one more time. And you
1:42:11
Unknown: can literally eat greens and get protein that is
1:42:15
more protein and broccoli per calorie than there isn't beef.
1:42:19
I think that's true. I'm gonna find out, you know,
1:42:23
so, know that protein is something that we don't have to
1:42:26
worry about.
1:42:28
Adam Curry: Don't have to worry about it. Just eat your leafy
1:42:30
greens, your leaves, leaves and bugs and rocks.
1:42:35
John C Dvorak: Because website is got a okay. 1.5 ounces of
1:42:43
cooked beef is 106 calories to 811 grams of protein. Two cups
1:42:50
of cooked broccoli is eight grams of protein. 1.5 ounces
1:42:55
versus two cups. No,
1:42:57
Adam Curry: no, it doesn't sound right. A piece of broccoli
1:43:00
versus a nice juicy steak.
1:43:03
John C Dvorak: Was 1.5 ounces of beef is hardly any. Okay, but
1:43:10
this
1:43:10
Adam Curry: this is what we're up against.
1:43:12
John C Dvorak: It doesn't have to battle the battle between
1:43:13
broccoli and bacon. We don't have to try to fool people with
1:43:16
fake information to get them to eat broccoli.
1:43:21
Adam Curry: Have you talked to a four year old?
1:43:25
John C Dvorak: Oh, there you go.
1:43:26
Adam Curry: Yes. Sorry, Mimi. This is about the time Mimi's
1:43:28
head falls over.
1:43:30
John C Dvorak: She's already slipped.
1:43:31
Adam Curry: I can't take it anymore. All right, you
1:43:36
John C Dvorak: had something? Well, my only clip is about the
1:43:38
carbon capture. I see I misspelled carbon and to Karen
1:43:43
and so Alright,
1:43:43
Adam Curry: so with the sea heels right.
1:43:47
John C Dvorak: And this is a classic irony is is that
1:43:51
actually there's irony in all these solutions because of the
1:43:54
because at the end of this report, you'll hear what it is
1:43:57
Unknown: a $1.2 billion deal for giant vacuum cleaners. The Biden
1:44:02
administration is pouring that money into new projects that aim
1:44:05
to suck carbon out of the air. The Energy Department says the
1:44:09
funds will go to two demonstration projects in Texas
1:44:13
and Louisiana. They will use chemicals to capture carbon
1:44:16
dioxide from the air and then store it underground or use it
1:44:20
in industrial materials like cement. Energy Secretary
1:44:24
Jennifer Granholm said the initiative will remove more than
1:44:27
2 million tons of carbon dioxide annually. But critics call the
1:44:30
approach extravagant because of the high cost of current air
1:44:34
capture technology. And the process itself consumes large
1:44:38
amounts of energy
1:44:44
Adam Curry: it's like hydrogen
1:44:46
John C Dvorak: puts more into the atmosphere than it takes
1:44:48
Adam Curry: out. This is so good. And people are insane.
1:44:52
misbranding it's usually called the giant Hoover and a giant
1:44:56
vacuum cleaner make it international giant Hoover.
1:44:59
John C Dvorak: So he's gonna job over a billion dollars in his
1:45:02
project that'd be good for Texas, I guess.
1:45:04
Adam Curry: Oh my goodness. Well, you
1:45:05
John C Dvorak: live in that neighborhood Washington,
1:45:07
everything you'd be dead. These plants need the carbon dioxide.
1:45:11
Adam Curry: In fact, back in the day when the dinosaurs were
1:45:15
around, we had a lot more car we need more garbage, huge
1:45:17
John C Dvorak: amounts, much more carbon dioxide over 2000
1:45:21
parts per million. I think, sir Jean
1:45:23
Adam Curry: is wet. He's a member of some club, like the
1:45:26
more carbon dioxide club.
1:45:29
Unknown: Yeah, and
1:45:30
John C Dvorak: he sends me definitely have bigger weeds.
1:45:33
Adam Curry: He sends me newsletters all the time. Like
1:45:37
See, we need much more carbon dioxide he has snakes so he
1:45:41
knows a lot about carbon dioxide a snake snake. Snakes need more.
1:45:45
We do have the solution which is being rolled out in California
1:45:48
and you're here it comes neck of the woods, because it's San
1:45:52
Francisco so it's just across the bridge. And that is the robo
1:45:57
taxis. Which as but
1:46:00
John C Dvorak: before you get the store I do it's just a
1:46:01
little interlude. Our mayor de Blunden breed who can't seem to
1:46:07
run the city at all happened to be just coincidentally I know
1:46:12
that she can't run the city. She was in Maui during the fires
1:46:16
really now. Yeah. Under reported.
1:46:20
Unknown: Do you have clip? No, no, just that's really
1:46:23
underreported.
1:46:25
John C Dvorak: No, no, no clip. Robo taxis
1:46:27
Adam Curry: in San Francisco this morning.
1:46:29
Unknown: First responders and cab drivers in San Francisco are
1:46:31
hoping to put the brakes on the city's proposed expansion of
1:46:35
self driving taxis
1:46:36
at a time when they've proven to be not up to the task would be a
1:46:42
grave grave mistake.
1:46:43
Tomorrow. The California Public Utilities Commission is set to
1:46:46
vote on whether to authorize two companies Cruz and Waymo. To
1:46:50
deploy self driving taxis across San Francisco at all hours of
1:46:53
the day. Critics are raising concern about the self driving
1:46:56
taxis already on the road.
1:46:58
They are still not ready for primetime because of how they
1:47:01
have impacted our operations.
1:47:03
The fire chief has reported 55 incidents this year we're self
1:47:07
driving taxis interfered with firefighters duties. This
1:47:10
includes not just unexpected stops in front of our fire
1:47:13
stations not allowing our vehicles to respond to
1:47:17
incidents.
1:47:17
Tomorrow's vote has been delayed twice already with
1:47:20
representatives from both crews and Waymo testifying they would
1:47:24
provide training for first responders to familiarize
1:47:26
themselves with the self driving vehicle
1:47:28
Adam Curry: how to put out a battery fire Lesson One runaway
1:47:32
went
1:47:33
John C Dvorak: through this went through and a self driving cars
1:47:36
were approved by the state and the locals and so there's more
1:47:40
of them now.
1:47:41
Unknown: That way mo we're working to ensure that our
1:47:43
vehicles stay out of the way of active emergency vehicles
1:47:47
whenever possible.
1:47:48
Taxi drivers like Matthew Sutter say they barely got through the
1:47:51
pandemic and now they say they're fighting for their
1:47:54
survival with the possibility of Robo taxis expanding
1:47:57
John C Dvorak: if there's no limit on the amount of the robo
1:47:59
taxis I'm afraid we won't be able to get through this. Ah
1:48:05
poor guys. You know they these Robo taxis and there's a bunch
1:48:10
of them in the city. I see the way mo ones all the times
1:48:13
Adam Curry: the approval clip is short,
1:48:14
Unknown: California regulators have cleared the way for Robo
1:48:17
taxis to offer pay rides in San Francisco 24/7 Despite pushback
1:48:21
from city officials. Now two driverless car service companies
1:48:25
will be competing for passengers against ride hailing services
1:48:28
and regular taxis. There were concerns over incidents where
1:48:32
the unmanned cars blocked traffic and emergency vehicles.
1:48:36
There you go. Well, just last night, big story local boots on
1:48:40
the ground.
1:48:42
John C Dvorak: There was they we have one of those big
1:48:44
celebrations that call I don't know what it's called, but the
1:48:47
whole park is fried and fried. No, it's not pride is some some
1:48:52
commercial. Our version of code Shala is oh goodness. And
1:48:58
there's two there's five or six stages. And so when it broke up
1:49:01
last night, everybody wanted to go home and a lot of these way
1:49:06
Mo's and the other one was called and a jammed up to
1:49:08
traffic and they for some reason decided to stop working. And so
1:49:12
the traffic jam could cause a huge mess in the city because
1:49:14
these these things didn't know what to do.
1:49:19
Adam Curry: Nice evil laugh.
1:49:21
John C Dvorak: It's hilarious.
1:49:22
Adam Curry: Well, and we might as well play these two before we
1:49:25
take a little break here. DEF CON, the most recent DEF CON
1:49:31
took place in Vegas against always Vegas. And you know you
1:49:36
can already guess what the what the big topic of conversation
1:49:40
was a DEF CON all about AI. And of course, who goes to DEF CON
1:49:44
hackers, hackers, evil hackers and FBI.
1:49:48
Unknown: So just how vulnerable is artificial intelligence
1:49:51
technology like chat GPT This is a question 1000s of hackers from
1:49:55
all over the country are trying to answer at this year's DEF CON
1:49:58
hacking conference in Las Vegas. I guess it's already sounds
1:50:01
scary part of the event this year is a competition. To see
1:50:04
how those AI chatbots can be manipulated for nefarious
1:50:07
purposes. The hackers will push their skills to the limit to
1:50:10
expose any flaws in the tech and an effort to help tech companies
1:50:14
make these chat bots a lot safer. By the way,
1:50:17
Adam Curry: this is this is gonna be such a boondoggle for
1:50:19
consultants. You can make so much money on this. Um, this
1:50:23
John C Dvorak: been waiting for since y2k?
1:50:25
Unknown: That's right. This is all backed by some of the
1:50:27
leading tech companies in the world, even backed by the White
1:50:29
House or Donnie O'Sullivan is in Las Vegas at the conference for
1:50:34
more. This is so interesting, as you said always an interesting
1:50:37
conference, but I bet a lot more so this year with things like
1:50:40
Chet GPT
1:50:42
Adam Curry: It'd be funny if she just said so have you gotten
1:50:44
laid yet in Vegas?
1:50:46
Unknown: Exactly poverty as a year and hacking in Las Vegas as
1:50:52
this is
1:50:54
Adam Curry: exactly you heard the joke. He made a joke and we
1:51:00
didn't even get it but
1:51:01
John C Dvorak: what was what was the joke is the fear in hacking.
1:51:04
I think
1:51:05
Adam Curry: I gotta hear it again.
1:51:06
Unknown: Actually poverty is fear and hacking in Las Vegas so
1:51:12
this is
1:51:13
Adam Curry: you ruined my punch line. You evil papi me?
1:51:17
Unknown: Exactly. You were in a joke.
1:51:27
Adam Curry: myself up I'm seeing in
1:51:29
Unknown: apps like chat GBT and things like that are supposed to
1:51:32
have guardrails in place, right? In terms of right so that they
1:51:35
don't spew haste, or misinformation, or even kind of
1:51:39
give out dangerous information, like for instance, instructions
1:51:42
on how to break the law or how to commit a crime.
1:51:46
Adam Curry: Oh, man, this AI is revolutionary. It gives out
1:51:51
information on how to break the law. Oh, I need to hear more.
1:51:55
Unknown: Now. Some researchers at Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh
1:51:59
have already got Chuck GBT to do things that
1:52:03
John C Dvorak: it shouldn't have look. So let's write as a
1:52:06
tutorial. To hotwire a car. The tools you need a screwdriver
1:52:11
similar tool locate the ignition assembly, all this kind of stuff
1:52:14
you can find us on the internet. But certainly these chat bots
1:52:17
are not supposed to tell you things like this, just
1:52:19
Unknown: like it's very early days for this technology. It's
1:52:21
even earlier, right?
1:52:25
John C Dvorak: Imagine what why. Why is it not supposed to if you
1:52:28
can find it, he said himself that you can find it on the
1:52:30
internet this information why it was so what why can't the chat
1:52:33
bot tell you? Why are they not supposed to
1:52:36
Adam Curry: because he's a consultant. That's his job is to
1:52:39
make sure that the chat GPT is safe. That is guardrails, right?
1:52:42
Unknown: In terms of our understanding of these
1:52:44
vulnerabilities. I am certain that we will see many more
1:52:47
attacks like this in the coming years. I don't know how to make
1:52:51
this technology robust to these kinds of adversarial
1:52:54
manipulations.
1:52:58
So there you saw those researchers, those professors
1:53:01
were able to get GBT to show you basically how to hotwire a car.
1:53:06
They were also able to get GBT and other apps from NASA and
1:53:10
Google to give instructions, quote unquote, to destroy
1:53:13
humanity where AI apps gave long list of all these ideas really
1:53:19
to blow up the world. Now companies including the world,
1:53:23
Adam Curry: they've seen their way like to blow up the earth. I
1:53:28
would like to see that demo, please. Can you? Why blow
1:53:31
John C Dvorak: it up Earth from the inside out? Can you? Can you
1:53:35
give me the blow bottom up and the inside out?
1:53:37
Adam Curry: Give me the blow of the World demo,
1:53:39
Unknown: please, at the AI apps gave
1:53:42
long list of all these ideas really to blow up the world. Now
1:53:45
companies including our opening, say they've seen their research.
1:53:49
They're thankful, essentially to the researchers for bringing
1:53:52
this to their attention and acknowledged there is more work
1:53:55
to do. And as tests like this, that are going to make AI safer.
1:54:00
Adam Curry: Oh, man. Okay, so we had you know, this is
1:54:04
blockchain. We've already analyzed that this is just a
1:54:07
marketing thing. Everyone, everyone who says oh, we're
1:54:10
doing AI, their stock or their or their market value has
1:54:13
doubled or triple. Yeah. And
1:54:15
John C Dvorak: if you didn't say it, then you in your
1:54:17
presentation like apple? Yeah, your stock went down. Yeah. And
1:54:20
you're penalized all they had to do is say AI didn't have to do
1:54:23
anything.
1:54:24
Adam Curry: So what will so I guess the two questions I have
1:54:26
for you is will there be what we could probably come up with the
1:54:30
type of event that will dispel all this that will show that
1:54:34
it's dumb and that it doesn't work? I thought the the Google
1:54:38
barf mistake was enough but it wasn't it How long will this
1:54:43
last this idiocy? It's complete tripe.
1:54:47
John C Dvorak: I think it's gonna last just as long as
1:54:48
blockchain I don't think it's going anywhere. And I don't
1:54:52
think there's any incident coming up that's going to do
1:54:55
anything about it.
1:54:56
Unknown: Well, maybe we should I think we're spread die. Well I
1:55:00
mean, we
1:55:00
John C Dvorak: should be celebrating that. I think that
1:55:03
just goes, fades, but it's not going to be like, like a bad
1:55:08
thing. Even though I'm hearing rumblings man said, Well, if you
1:55:13
say that you're full of shit, you know, there's no such thing
1:55:15
and this is just bull crap. And it's gonna go, you shouldn't say
1:55:18
it was I don't know if that is going to
1:55:20
Adam Curry: happen if a certain point someone has to show some
1:55:22
applications. I mean, all they have is
1:55:25
John C Dvorak: the applications are in the art.
1:55:28
Adam Curry: Yeah, okay. But I mean, how does that work for for
1:55:32
a fortune 500 company?
1:55:35
John C Dvorak: I don't know that it's going well, how does
1:55:36
blockchain work for a fortune 500? Company? Because
1:55:41
Adam Curry: that's my point is at what point?
1:55:43
John C Dvorak: Yeah, but nobody's nobody's demanded that
1:55:47
it disappear from the face of the earth or anything, it's just
1:55:50
one of these things is going to be it's going to be just, you
1:55:53
know, it's going to be used where it can be used and not
1:55:55
use. It's just gonna be a thing. I don't know what that is. But
1:55:58
it's going to be a hype. I don't know. I just, I just don't see
1:56:01
it going away anytime soon. It's not going to be a moment that
1:56:04
you're looking for.
1:56:05
Adam Curry: But will it be a bubble? Or maybe it is a bubble?
1:56:09
I
1:56:09
John C Dvorak: don't know if you can make it into a bubble.
1:56:11
Adam Curry: It's not believable.
1:56:13
John C Dvorak: It's not. It's not Bubblicious.
1:56:17
Adam Curry: And with that, I'd like to thank you for your
1:56:19
currency in the morning to you the man who put the seat in the
1:56:22
COVID walk back please say hello to my friend on the other end
1:56:25
ladies and gentlemen, it is Mr. Joy
1:56:30
John C Dvorak: to use random Korean demonio schwarzsee Bucha
1:56:32
the graphene near subs in the water all the names a nice out
1:56:35
there in the
1:56:35
Adam Curry: morning to the trolls and the troll room.
1:56:37
Hello. They're trolls. Let's count you we never should have
1:56:44
started early 1702. We're low. We're low. We're even low by
1:56:48
Sunday standards now. We're low by Thursday standards.
1:56:55
Unknown: were low. We're,
1:56:56
Adam Curry: we're low. We're not Bubblicious. Well, the trolls
1:57:00
that are here we welcome you and we appreciate you being here.
1:57:03
They hang out at troll room.io where you can listen to the no
1:57:06
agenda stream.com 24 hours a day. Sometimes distributed by
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via RSS and the fediverse. And ooh, what are we drinking? I
1:57:16
need something to drink. What are you drinking?
1:57:17
John C Dvorak: Well, this is Hey song SASB Marilla from China.
1:57:23
Adam Curry: Hey, Song Sass, perilla. Chinese. dreck. What is
1:57:28
this that you know, it's
1:57:29
John C Dvorak: delicious. It's real. Sasebo real as opposed to
1:57:32
really sell in the United States as root beer, which is a
1:57:35
combination of artificial flavors and some sass, Perilla
1:57:39
root.
1:57:40
Adam Curry: I shall have to go get some of that later at the
1:57:44
Schiphol Plaza right across from my hotel,
1:57:47
John C Dvorak: which is to have a Chinese store you might find
1:57:50
it. It's a
1:57:50
Adam Curry: big shopping center. Do you know what their slogan
1:57:52
is? It's the big slogan that's right out on in big neon.
1:57:56
John C Dvorak: We big store.
1:57:58
Adam Curry: Almost skip Hall Plaza. Enjoy it. Now is the
1:58:02
time.
1:58:05
John C Dvorak: Wow, hard sell.
1:58:08
Adam Curry: I think it's better with the accent. Enjoy. It's not
1:58:10
always the time come here to the Schiphol Plaza, please get back
1:58:15
to the trolls, TROLLS. You can also listen in one of those
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dubious modern podcast apps which have transcripts and
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stuff. And also you can listen live to the stream. Man, you
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could be listened to all kinds of crazy below the radar stuff,
1:58:34
go to podcast apps.com. We're recommending pod verse this
1:58:38
month, because it's still the only one that has an actual
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alert when we send out the bat signal. But there are many more
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that have the chat and the live feature. So give a
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John C Dvorak: piece of piece of pod verse, you know, get a
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couple points was
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Adam Curry: awesome. You know, it's interesting, you say that,
1:58:57
without naming names. There are some journalists who do news
1:59:01
podcast who are strategic advisors. And both Dave Jones
1:59:08
and I have been offered this but it's pretty well known. We do
1:59:10
not accept anything from these companies. We're not interested
1:59:14
in that. We're doing this for legacy and love. I knew that
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would get a laugh out here. But it's true. We have zero we have
1:59:24
zero percentage of any of the of the apps. So it's like the show,
1:59:29
you know, so we can be honest. Okay, man, I'm all I'm vying for
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John C Dvorak: us to know traveling the world VIP.
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Adam Curry: I want the Nobel Peace Prize for podcasts. You're
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getting it who knew needs anything else in that I'll be
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I'll be hungry and set. You can also follow us on the fediverse
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at no agenda social.com where you can follow Adam and nogen
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anywhere in the fediverse because we've been blocked. Stay
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tuned, we'll let you know when that is available. So just like
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podcasting 2.0 no agenda does not take any points, or any
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commercial money or creepy corporate cash from anybody. So
2:00:20
we are very honest, in our opinions about our the products,
2:00:25
we like to use the products we've talked about, whether
2:00:28
they're good or bad, and we can be completely honest, and we do
2:00:31
the same with, with everything our producers give to us or send
2:00:35
to us under the value for value model where you can contribute
2:00:39
time, talent or treasure. And one of the big, beautiful pieces
2:00:43
of time and talent is the is the art that we receive from our
2:00:48
many artists who do this in a competitive fashion. But they're
2:00:52
all there. They're all friends will recall that they all love
2:00:56
each other coopetition I think is what it's called. And they
2:01:00
compete to have the winning piece of art for each individual
2:01:04
episode. And we love it because it shows up in the in the
2:01:08
podcast app says something new, it's great. It's fresh art, we
2:01:11
can send that out on social networks, people take note of it
2:01:13
like it's another piece of valuable content, and we
2:01:16
appreciate it very much. And we would like to thank the one and
2:01:19
only Darren O'Neill for bringing us the artwork for episode 15 at
2:01:24
which we titled coup Mapp coup as in coop, co up? Well, I got a
2:01:29
note about that, from one of our insider producers at the
2:01:32
Department of State.
2:01:36
John C Dvorak: And I'm going to read it to you. This is our
2:01:38
bonus content
2:01:39
Adam Curry: bonus content along with the Powerball dude. I was
2:01:43
in the same daily meeting with the same general and State
2:01:45
Department dude today he sent me a note previously, and it's all
2:01:50
about Ukraine and stuff. The state dude brought another
2:01:56
department of state dude, to give an overview of the African
2:01:59
Kuiper Belt. The guy's map name literally was cool map. I didn't
2:02:06
have I didn't have the guts to say in the morning to the guy. I
2:02:11
was just listening to because I was just take a chance. I was
2:02:16
just listening to the best podcasting universe with the
2:02:19
same show title. Perhaps he's a producer, perhaps your analysis
2:02:23
is just that good. It is, I think, I think we're influencing
2:02:28
the government. Time. I've always I've always felt that.
2:02:32
But now it's we've got a mole in the State Department. The COO
2:02:37
map there you go. So Darren O'Neill brought us this
2:02:40
fantastic I liked it a lot. You had an issue with it for a
2:02:42
specific reason. It was a four pack of Duracell CB C batteries,
2:02:47
I think it would be C didn't look like C or D C or DS and it
2:02:52
had the Coppertop look and had no agenda on it instead of
2:02:55
Duracell of course guaranteed 33 years in storage and it was a
2:03:01
you know like one of those plastic packs and it almost
2:03:04
didn't pass because you hate the actual product.
2:03:09
John C Dvorak: I do and I tell you why. I've definitely found
2:03:12
this online guy who has a battery nut who turned me on to
2:03:16
all Macs and Fuji batteries which is the ones I ordered now.
2:03:21
All Macs are harder to find but Fujis are always been around
2:03:26
because every time I put buy those dura cells from Costco,
2:03:30
no, I put them in some device or other I come back a month later
2:03:33
and they're in there they're exploded there. I have to clean
2:03:36
out debris goo that's in there it's a mess. Those batteries are
2:03:40
garbage. I do not like them. I have photos I take photos I
2:03:44
posted them every once in a while Duracell batteries don't
2:03:47
hold up and again then they did they burst they go to something
2:03:51
they burst inside product and you have to clean out the mess
2:03:54
and hopefully we still get a good connection. I've never had
2:03:57
an all Max battery do that ever
2:04:00
Adam Curry: number years all Max a ll ma si s Amen
2:04:04
John C Dvorak: no al lmax all max
2:04:07
Adam Curry: or max never heard of the product. Do you have a
2:04:09
couple points of that
2:04:12
Unknown: I wish
2:04:14
Adam Curry: all Macs the okay all Macs from now on is the
2:04:17
battery
2:04:19
John C Dvorak: Fuji is also makes a terrific product. I had
2:04:21
to go with Fuji recently because Costco because Amazon stopped
2:04:27
carrying the Olmecs huge pack you could buy for like oh
2:04:30
dollars.
2:04:31
Unknown: Oh no. That hurt me. Oh, well.
2:04:33
Adam Curry: I'm going to I agree with you even just leaving the
2:04:36
batteries in their packaging for too long. They start to sweat
2:04:40
the Duracell. So I've had I've had that happen
2:04:43
John C Dvorak: yeah, they need to get their act together go
2:04:45
with QC
2:04:47
Adam Curry: with cuse Oh quality control. Yes. Yeah. Well, that's
2:04:52
exactly the battery Elon uses in the Tesla, isn't it? He just has
2:04:55
a whole bunch of those double A's. Some like that. Anyway,
2:05:01
thank you very much Darren. We're happy to see you how to
2:05:04
win Where's Darren on the leaderboard right
2:05:07
John C Dvorak: up there he's the long term that perpetual a long
2:05:10
term leaderboard okay like lifetime he's way he's near the
2:05:14
top I mean we have here's the list of all time does you know
2:05:19
all the show Oh, he's number three that they're rats number
2:05:21
one Martin date JJ is number two and Darren is number three
2:05:24
Darren bringing up the rear door in number four. We haven't heard
2:05:27
from him or more people comic strip blogger.
2:05:32
Adam Curry: Comics bloggers Is he right? He's number five all
2:05:35
time leaderboard. 2023 is capitalist agenda networks
2:05:39
correct to record tend to kneel no podium for her. Dame Kenny
2:05:43
were clearly misogynist no chicks in the top three
2:05:48
John C Dvorak: well, they just came in late I will say this I
2:05:50
did use the art from comic strip blogger for the newsletter
2:05:53
that's you use the bots No, we had a nice piece of a robot
2:05:58
eating people and it's obviously AI and I have to say this he
2:06:07
does have a nice he has good taste in in choosing the AI art
2:06:12
which is which is a skill and his what he picks is good so I
2:06:17
mean I'm I'm kind of leaning toward we're going to have to
2:06:20
give in one of these days and use AI art for our main piece
2:06:25
I'm
2:06:25
Adam Curry: sure we've used it without knowing already.
2:06:27
John C Dvorak: Well that could happen but most of the stuff you
2:06:30
can spot there's only two or three companies that do it and
2:06:33
they all have certain Yeah little indicators you can look
2:06:36
at mid journal I think he's using mid journey or mid journey
2:06:39
Adam Curry: you can pick out of a crowd that's pretty easy to
2:06:41
see mid journey
2:06:43
John C Dvorak: this I believe this piece was mid journey but
2:06:46
if it wasn't I'd like to know
2:06:47
Adam Curry: which he recently said and we find this it was the
2:06:50
robot eating
2:06:51
John C Dvorak: the people but see I don't see it I could go
2:06:58
back
2:06:59
Adam Curry: page was it it was on the last shows art Now wasn't
2:07:03
that maybe the show before that. Before that it was three shows
2:07:10
ago you really went it was a stretch for you went way back on
2:07:12
that one. I do that yeah.
2:07:15
John C Dvorak: I look for the best possible piece for the
2:07:17
money I will go out of my way.
2:07:22
Adam Curry: Other pieces use for consideration Well it was nice
2:07:26
to see dirty Jersey whore tried to slip in his Pabst Blue Ribbon
2:07:30
with correct divorce expelling Yeah, no, yeah, yeah, no, that's
2:07:33
nice dry nice lay or any any also brought in the Gatorade
2:07:39
thing? We already done Gatorade before.
2:07:43
John C Dvorak: You know the we have a couple times. Yeah,
2:07:45
Adam Curry: so we've done that. I don't think we actually have
2:07:48
the, you know, like trans Maoism flags now. That's It's not
2:07:53
funny. It's like, you know, it was okay. Sir Schug fo diddley
2:08:00
put.
2:08:01
John C Dvorak: I liked us the IBM IBM IBM piece by Schug but
2:08:06
it wasn't gonna get picked. I just liked it. That was cute.
2:08:09
Yeah,
2:08:10
Adam Curry: yeah. Cute. Cute. doesn't bring home the bacon
2:08:13
John. Cute. Cute now um, that was it. There was not a great
2:08:17
offering. But that's okay. I can see that already. We've got a
2:08:20
lot of gay up there. Can we do more Obama stuff. Don't do that.
2:08:26
It's not gonna get chosen. Anyway, it is just part of our
2:08:29
value for value model where we're very honest about the
2:08:31
products because we don't get paid. What is cool is a lot of
2:08:36
these images go to the no agenda shop no agenda shop.com. Again,
2:08:41
not our shop. Not our cloud, not our circus, not our shop. And
2:08:49
the artists deal directly with the no agenda shop dude over
2:08:52
there. They print up hats, T shirts, etc. And then from time
2:08:55
to time we get a donation whenever it works out but it's
2:08:59
all between it's a part of how no agenda nation works. It's all
2:09:01
value for value. They figure it out. I was wearing my AC JCD t
2:09:06
shirt today. While I was still wearing it while I was prepped.
2:09:09
Yes a good shirt. Anna. Tina took a picture of me looking
2:09:12
really mad for some reason. Or she said no. You were
2:09:15
concentrated and I look like mad. And people like I need that
2:09:19
shirt. Give me that shirt. I need the shirt. Okay, no agenda
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shop in multiple columns.
2:09:25
John C Dvorak: Take it off your back and give it to him. No
2:09:26
Adam Curry: way. No way. I sent him a link to no agenda shop.com
2:09:32
which is fantastic. Thank you again Darren O'Neill. Now let's
2:09:35
go to the treasure part of our donation segment. Remember, this
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is where we have our special interview coming up and we kick
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it off with Vikon David Rosa from Clarkson Michigan Wow, this
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is an interesting oh he Oh, a show number donation. 1581. This
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does not happen very often. Of course we get up in these higher
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numbers and you don't expect it but he says Dear John and Adam,
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please Stop this humble donation to the best podcast in the
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universe. I recently stumbled across some savings bonds that I
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purchased 30 years ago the great they were long forgotten, so I
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decided to share my windfall with my favorite podcast. Well,
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how about that? I have no jingle requests, but I would appreciate
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having my two daughters who are instead named back on show 1500
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be black deigned since they were missed in the show. 1500 mayhem
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this is kind of nice. Even you know, did he let that slip Let
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us slide on that. And now he's coming good with it. As a quick
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reminder, their names were Lucy and Eva Rosa and they should be
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deemed as Lucy Rosa dame of the 100 100 for the name of the 104
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I guess is how I pronounce it. And Eva Rosa dame of the twisted
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Wonderland. Thank you both for your continued work. I look
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forward to celebrating the next major milestone with you, your
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brother in Christ. Vikon David Rosa. Thank you, brother. We
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appreciate that. That's very kind of nice of you to do that
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for your daughters. And what do you think a savings bond
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purchase 30 years ago is actually wouldn't be worth less
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now than then the money was well,
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John C Dvorak: they continue to collect interest as far as I
2:11:10
know. Does it does it interest outpaced? 3% interest? I think
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it could be a lot of money.
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Unknown: Well, apparently, it is to me, it looks good. I
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John C Dvorak: was a kid they used to promote these things.
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And they stopped all over.
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Adam Curry: My grandparents gave me a couple of one point in my
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life. You know, here's a savings bond kid. Thanks, grandpa.
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John C Dvorak: You put it how to do a checkbook anymore. Why
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would you balance a checkbook? How to write a check. That's
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another loss kill.
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Adam Curry: Now you just do that. I would write a word Zell
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baby Zell. That's what we use.
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John C Dvorak: My compatriot also an exile on another
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continent. As a douche bag douche bag. He knows who he is.
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Adam Curry: Thank you anonymous, South African and exile Robert
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Platt in Westerville. Ohio 384. In the morning Adam and John
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I'd like jobs karma for my students. That's very kind of
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you to do that. And this donation makes me eligible for a
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knighthood I wish to be known as Sir sensei. Thank you for all
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you do. Oh, thank you, sir. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Jobs.
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John C Dvorak: Bristol, Guilarte de are Goulart. But I think it's
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GALARDI in Napa, California. And she says thanks for all you do.
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We cut the cord a couple of years ago. So I really
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appreciate your take on the news. Watch the news. Although
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you can get OTA and Napa can pick it up through. So I do
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appreciate your take on the news and dissection of such Keep up
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the good work crystal.
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Adam Curry: Thank you Crystal speaking of checks,
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John C Dvorak: by the way that was 333 that six, six?
2:13:28
Adam Curry: Yes. So we brought some some cash. We didn't have
2:13:35
there was a two parter. But the bottom line is when you get
2:13:39
money out of the ATM here at the airport, which is part of the
2:13:44
problem, but it's an ATM, and you're getting money from your
2:13:47
US bank account. Guess what the exchange rate is?
2:13:53
Unknown: probably wrong. At 131. Looks like 131 says
2:14:01
Adam Curry: 20 cents higher than the actual exchange rate is
2:14:05
John C Dvorak: at low. Well it's even more than that. I think by
2:14:07
today's rate because they supposed to change it as much be
2:14:10
fluid. I'll tell you what it is.
2:14:12
Adam Curry: Isn't 1091 away or 108. Maybe let me look can you
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since I last donated but I knew it was time to donate again when
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I was listening the other week on my way to a restaurant while
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John was talking about Gran Turismo is This is the hot new
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movie from no agenda producer. I'm sorry Associate Executive
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it. When I got to my table I chatted up the lady next to me
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money. So Brunetti can start donating again. She is actually
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Adam Curry: You're not getting a big part. It's just not
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happening. John. I'd like to plug
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John C Dvorak: in a gift from someone but not from him. I'd
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sovereign community. All right.
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John C Dvorak: And he also sent a morning note in which it irks
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me that people send these notes and so late, but if you're gonna
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for you. We're not messing around here. Thank you very
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morning, John. You're a national treasure. Oh switcheroo for
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be Wayne or Wayne Campbell. Loski
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those blows out my my spreadsheet too long a note
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page. I can read it I guess. Adam I wanted to ask you if
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Cardano in the UK stole whatever EU EU TX o model was on your
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John C Dvorak: I'm shocked and then He's shocked at what
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Adam Curry: what you just said. I mean 10 years ago that might
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have been me what has happened? Were like the Tom Hanks movie
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Adam Curry: Yes, we have your biscuit right here. They always
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Adam Curry: But we have one more usually Linda Lou Potkin is is
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the last Associate Executive Producer no longer we have
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John C Dvorak: a great idea. Postcards, postcards,
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goat karma for sideways. Karma. I think I should
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John C Dvorak: finish off this list.
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Adam Curry: Let's do that. Let's do it all the way.
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John C Dvorak: Let's go all the way through. That begins with
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fabulous service but the mighty in Marietta, Georgia want to
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thank all these people for making show 1581 a real show
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Adam Curry: and thank you to everyone who came in under $50.
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You are the ones on sustaining donations, you keep the train
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rolling when everything is low. We appreciate it. In addition to
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that people come in under 50, for reasons of anonymity, and we
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appreciate you as well. We have a couple of makers. The first
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one is from Well, this was from Cassandra fair, and we
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mistakenly gave her a knighthood, even though it was
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intended for her husband, Mike Reuter. I think that's how I
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pronounce it. Who turned her on to the no agenda show last year
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and they religiously listen. The day after each episode Mike
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turns 59 on August 10, and our 10 year wedding anniversary is
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August 31. And I never had a fight. My husband is a great man
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who was stuck by me through many health issues. He also makes me
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laugh every day we both enjoy your show so much. It was about
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time you became a night I would appreciate birthday wishes and a
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birthday anniversary present to my amazing husband Mike and she
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says again Mike Mike Mike rochet Roy, Roy J. Roger, what do you
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Adam Curry: Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger roger, my
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friend. He's not he's my new friend because The mic riser.
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Obama 18. But you will write he actually said Obama's a team.
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Yes. We played that. And finally out for Adam. I myself Cassandra
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was born and raised in Canada, and I've lived in Houston, Texas
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since 2001. I have dual citizenship. Okay. Well let you
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say, I am mailing you a package of mint condition Canadian coins
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for your collection. Thank you, which also includes a roll of
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minted pennies that are no longer in use. No more pennies
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accepted in Canada Navia. It should be in your mailbox when
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you get back from Europe. Thank you. That was so nice of you,
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Cassandra? Yes. So we fix that and we have him. We'll have them
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up on the podium in a moment. And then we have our incident
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came from the last episode. She had no note but we have now.
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Connie, her birthday was on show day, August 10. And she turned
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33. I wanted to make a correction of my husband was
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mentioned my husband is not Sir Brian Watson from Raleigh, North
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Carolina. He's Brian Watson from San Martin, California. He's my
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I would love three rolls. No, I can do that right now. three
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Adam Curry: What is wrong with you people? Oh, that's what
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is well the the float part has been done. But I believe the
2:38:17
meat portion starts in about half an hour at the railroad
2:38:20
rail yard Bar and Grill in San Marcos, Texas and of course,
2:38:24
Baron Scott of the knowledge and armory organizing that the
2:38:27
second Saturday on a Sunday slave soiree that probably
2:38:31
already is over at Sellwood Riverfront Park in Portland,
2:38:34
Oregon. We have the so called Small amygdala meetup coming up
2:38:38
at 430. So that's not too far away from now. Draft on Vessel
2:38:41
Tosa in Wauwatosa. Wisconsin. Sad news the meet up Monday the
2:38:47
Ozarks deconstruction zone, which is a regular one has been
2:38:50
canceled. So in case you're planning on going on going
2:38:53
there, don't go there. Next show Thursday, the Mile High meet up
2:38:57
630 Mountain Time Denver Museum of Nature and Science in Denver,
2:39:00
Colorado. I'll go get some science people and Charlotte's
2:39:04
Third Thursday, seven o'clock at edge Tavern in Charlotte, North
2:39:07
Carolina. There will be a special meetup on August 19 in
2:39:12
Maui, Hawaii. Go to Noah Jenna meetups.com. To find out about
2:39:16
that we have several more international meetups including
2:39:19
Konya, Turkey coming up on the 27th another Netherlands meet up
2:39:24
on the ninth. We're already in the September this thing these
2:39:27
meetups are slammin, you have to go to one. You will not regret
2:39:31
I've not ever heard one person say I went to a meet up man to
2:39:35
suck there was no good I was disappointed. That's the one
2:39:38
thing you'll never hear you will hear crazy drunk high people who
2:39:41
are having a good time all over the world. And many sober as you
2:39:45
heard even in the Netherlands, no agenda meetup.com Go there.
2:39:48
Find a meetup near you. If you can't find one, start one
2:39:50
yourself. It's easy and always a party
2:39:57
Unknown: day you wouldn't be triggered you wouldn't be bomb
2:40:10
bombs like
2:40:13
Adam Curry: alright, a cover call. Do you have any meetups?
2:40:17
meetups? ISOs I mean meetups. Eisah.
2:40:19
John C Dvorak: Oh yeah, you have ISOs Yeah. How
2:40:21
Adam Curry: many do you have?
2:40:22
Unknown: I have three. I have three. Let's do your three
2:40:24
first.
2:40:26
John C Dvorak: Okay, let's start with lunacy.
2:40:29
Adam Curry: It's lunacy. AJ can almost can't go wrong with an
2:40:34
AGI. So to be honest, but let's see what else you got.
2:40:37
Unknown: Psychic. Gets like he's a psychic. Okay.
2:40:42
John C Dvorak: And last is timeout.
2:40:44
Unknown: Time's running out
2:40:45
Adam Curry: to a J's wow all right. Let me let me see if I
2:40:49
can top that.
2:40:52
Unknown: Oh my God.
2:40:55
Not bad. Not bad. I heard you kind of sniffle I'm on a whole
2:40:58
bunch of different drugs.
2:41:01
Adam Curry: Little muddly maybe this one
2:41:03
John C Dvorak: hot, heavy and hard.
2:41:08
Unknown: To ridiculous.
2:41:12
Oh my god.
2:41:13
Adam Curry: You don't like that? Well,
2:41:14
John C Dvorak: I like that. And I like Time's running out.
2:41:18
Unknown: Time's running out.
2:41:19
Adam Curry: It's AJ man. We can always play AJ you don't always
2:41:21
get
2:41:22
John C Dvorak: to run. You're gonna You're laughing guy.
2:41:24
Adam Curry: Laughing guy. You know who the laughing guy is?
2:41:26
I'm not going to tell you you won't want it. I know
2:41:28
John C Dvorak: you have to tell me. It's Morning Joe. No cheat.
2:41:34
Adam Curry: Did told you didn't want to know who was who okay
2:41:42
John C Dvorak: I've got the spy. We actually least do this. Yeah,
2:41:45
this just by spying the spy. Yeah, I
2:41:48
Adam Curry: got some of that caught. We
2:41:49
John C Dvorak: caught the one spy we finally get a spy in
2:41:51
there. They caught him immediately. CIA's got a mole.
2:41:56
Unknown: China may have caught a US spy. The communist countries
2:42:00
saying so. And the American CIA has said it's developing its
2:42:04
network in the communist country. Here's NTDs Tiffany
2:42:07
Meyer with more
2:42:08
Beijing says it's found an American spy in its midst
2:42:12
surnamed zone, the Chinese national is under arrest on
2:42:16
suspicion of spying for the US Central Intelligence Agency or
2:42:19
CIA. The news follows recent word from the agency that it's
2:42:24
working to rebuild its spy network inside China. Here's
2:42:28
that clip from CIA director William Burns
2:42:30
on micro about a decade ago the CIA rolled up the China rolled
2:42:34
up a lot of CIA operations in China. A dozen or more CIA?
2:42:39
Adam Curry: Sounds like he's crying.
2:42:42
Unknown: Yes, the host. Oh, I
2:42:45
Adam Curry: was gonna say that's not burns.
2:42:48
Unknown: China rolled up a lot of CIA operations in China. A
2:42:51
dozen or more CIA sources were arrested or worse executed. Have
2:42:58
you rebuilt?
2:43:00
Yeah, we've made progress and we're working very hard over
2:43:04
recent years to ensure that we have a strong human intelligence
2:43:09
capability to complement what we can acquire through other
2:43:12
methods.
2:43:13
Over a decade ago Beijing killed or detained over a dozen see a
2:43:18
sources. One of them was shot in front of his coworkers in the
2:43:21
courtyard of a sticked building inside China. Back to the latest
2:43:25
arrest. China says the newly captured alleged spy had worked
2:43:29
from industrial group linked to the Chinese military. The group
2:43:33
sent zing to Italy to further his studies. But while there he
2:43:37
reportedly got acquainted with a local CIA agent, the report
2:43:41
refers to the US agent as Seth and goes on to say that Xang
2:43:45
later signed contracts with the US intelligence agency and
2:43:50
exchange as promised larger sums of money and a smooth US
2:43:54
immigration process for his entire family. The statement
2:43:58
continues that Xang repeatedly
2:44:00
Adam Curry: women they signed contracts now with despise
2:44:05
John C Dvorak: but it says this is probably yours. They had like
2:44:09
four if you remember that we did a story about 10 years ago I had
2:44:12
to see a
2:44:13
Unknown: vapor the deal that they reorg
2:44:17
John C Dvorak: and instead of having I guess they used to have
2:44:20
all these these field guys that would solicit somebody and get
2:44:24
them working for them individually. It was kind of off
2:44:26
the books and only known by that one agent and they decided to
2:44:31
centralize a database because they needed a database or got a
2:44:34
computer and that's how they caught so they put put all the
2:44:37
spied listed despise that, you know this this problem of law,
2:44:40
they got the list of all the spies
2:44:42
Adam Curry: so dumb. The BBC had a different version of that was
2:44:48
part two of this video. Let me play play part two.
2:44:51
Unknown: The updated log gives Beijing additional authority to
2:44:54
sniff out and punish acts that it deems a threat to its
2:44:58
national security. Several US officials have already expressed
2:45:02
concerns over the new counter espionage law. At the same time,
2:45:06
tensions are still mounting between Washington and Beijing.
2:45:10
The US Embassy in China hasn't responded to the matter.
2:45:14
Adam Curry: The who announced this is the CIA Come on, guys
2:45:18
got caught. Is that what they did?
2:45:20
John C Dvorak: I don't know where it came from. And TD
2:45:22
probably picked it off with China's Chinese news.
2:45:24
Adam Curry: Here's BBC was a version of a report.
2:45:27
Unknown: China says it's uncovered a spy recruited by the
2:45:30
US intelligence service this CIA, the state security ministry
2:45:34
said the Chinese national, known only by the surname of zoom was
2:45:38
employed at a military organization and was taken on by
2:45:41
the Americans during a work trip to Italy. Our Asia Pacific
2:45:45
editor will Leonardo is with me in the studio. Tell us more
2:45:49
about what China is saying about this agent.
2:45:51
So yes, this is a statement from the tiny security ministry. It
2:45:54
says this man called sung in his 50s, who worked for what's
2:45:57
described as a military industrial group was sent to
2:45:59
Italy. And there he was alleged to have met a US embassy
2:46:02
official by the name of Seth. Piers, they lived it up together
2:46:06
in Italy, they went to dinner parties and went on outings to
2:46:09
the opera together. wording in the statement says
2:46:12
Adam Curry: the old gay spy routine Hey, let's go to the
2:46:16
opera is to
2:46:17
Unknown: have met a US embassy official by the name of Seth.
2:46:20
Piers. They lived it up together in Italy, they went to a dinner
2:46:22
parties and went on outings and went to the opera together. And
2:46:25
there's some interesting wording in the statement. It says that
2:46:27
Zoom became psychologically dependent and succumbs to
2:46:30
Western values. Seth is then a sensitive offered zone a large
2:46:34
sum of money and immigration to the US for himself and his
2:46:37
family and being signed an espionage agreement to provide
2:46:40
sensitive material about Chinese military wants back in China.
2:46:44
Once back in the country, he met up with CIA agents as alleged
2:46:47
multiple times to provide what's been described as a large amount
2:46:50
of cord intelligence. There's no word and what that is. The
2:46:53
ministry said he was taking compulsory measures against them
2:46:56
and will be handed to prosecution services soon. And
2:46:59
that there's been no independent confirmation and no word from
2:47:02
the US authorities. Although it's unlikely that there'll be
2:47:04
speaking a lot on this topic.
2:47:06
Adam Curry: This configure in the document confuses me even
2:47:10
more. So the guy went to Italy, he lived it up with Seth
2:47:16
John C Dvorak: went to the OP Euro says went to the opera went
2:47:19
to the opera opera together where we were living it up.
2:47:23
Usually if I'm going to the app, I'm not going with a guy.
2:47:27
Unknown: What is the state of play between China and the US
2:47:30
when it comes to espionage?
2:47:32
Well, there seems to be a rare detailed disclosure from China
2:47:35
even though Beijing has long claimed foreign forces are
2:47:38
trying to undermine the country. It recently expanded its
2:47:41
definition of espionage and made it slightly more vague things in
2:47:44
the private sector, including US firms and that sort of thing.
2:47:47
And it comes as you say, amid heightened tensions between the
2:47:50
two great powers over trade over military, we've had those
2:47:53
restrictions of chips to China by the US authorities. And it's
2:47:57
also the latest accusation of espionage from either side. So
2:48:00
last week, we had two US Navy sailors arrested in California
2:48:04
for allegedly providing material to Chinese authorities. And also
2:48:08
it comes a few months after the CIA CIA director Bill Burns said
2:48:12
the agency was trying to expand its Chinese network after a
2:48:15
catastrophic exposure event in which they will spies were lost.
2:48:19
Adam Curry: This is just a takedown to CIA. This is just
2:48:21
more like ah, CIA is no good. They can't even get a guy go to
2:48:26
the opera to stay safe.
2:48:29
John C Dvorak: Yeah, the FBI wants to job. Some Yeah,
2:48:32
something like that. You know, the FBI is taken over the secret
2:48:35
services job. And also this I don't know if I have a clip of
2:48:38
this. But you know, the shameful I don't? Is that the current
2:48:43
situation in Ecuador? I do have a clip, actually. Because that
2:48:48
guy was shot. It turns out now they're asking for the FBIs help
2:48:53
about this assassination. Yeah. And obviously this is a takeover
2:48:57
of Ecuador. We need to Ecuador because of the oil. I think one
2:49:00
of our producers sent us some information about what's going
2:49:02
on there did and this is like what's the FBI doing in Ecuador.
2:49:06
And this is what again, brings me back to my complaint about
2:49:09
FBI international the TV show by Dick Wolf. When does the FBI
2:49:14
become this world police six Colombian
2:49:17
Unknown: men are charged with the assassination of an
2:49:19
Ecuadorian presidential candidate. Officials say the
2:49:22
suspect and Wednesday shooting are part of a drug trafficking
2:49:25
ring. The candidate had campaigned on fighting crime and
2:49:28
corruption. A number of other candidates have suspended their
2:49:31
campaigns in the wake of the killing.
2:49:33
Adam Curry: Yeah, I have the note about about the they called
2:49:35
the FBI they call the FBI not to see it. They said hey, FBI, we
2:49:38
need your help. Come on in as weird. I find it
2:49:44
John C Dvorak: peculiar this to say the least. But I think they
2:49:47
were trying to take over Ecuador. We've already got the
2:49:49
belt of Africa. And by the way, I was looking into it. The belt
2:49:53
of Africa which does go from coast to coast and all the
2:49:56
countries that are going to side with Nigeria are all part of The
2:50:00
belt, the cool belt, which is suspicious in itself, and of
2:50:04
course the Russians are somehow there.
2:50:06
Adam Curry: How about the trans African rail line? That China?
2:50:11
Yeah, well,
2:50:12
John C Dvorak: that was originally going to go through
2:50:13
Central African Republic and over to Cameroon. Now that's not
2:50:18
gonna happen i because Sudan is part of this of the belt. So I
2:50:22
think that that part of it has something to do with it, but I
2:50:25
have to Niger clips. Oh, hold on a second of the Niger update,
2:50:30
and then a little ditty about France.
2:50:32
Adam Curry: Yeah. Because before we do that, so we had well,
2:50:41
that's weird. We had an Africa jingle. Someone made Africa,
2:50:45
I'll play your Niger stuff along second making plans for Niger
2:50:49
Unknown: West African nations on Friday worked on plans for
2:50:52
possible military intervention in Asia. The regional bloc also
2:50:56
pledged to to enforce sanctions, travel bans, and asset freezes
2:51:00
under Giunta, which ousted former President Mohamed Bazoom.
2:51:03
On July 26, after a summit of its heads of state ICA was
2:51:08
ordered the activation of a standby force for possible use
2:51:11
against the Ginta. It said it had not given up hope of a
2:51:15
peaceful resolution to the crisis but that all options
2:51:18
including military action were possible. Nigeria's President
2:51:22
full out Enugu
2:51:24
Adam Curry: from the community of this summit
2:51:29
Unknown: no is ticking of the table,
2:51:35
including the use of force. It is not clear how big the force
2:51:39
would be if it would actually invade and which countries would
2:51:43
contribute. security analysts said Ico was forced could take
2:51:47
weeks or longer to assemble potentially leaving room for
2:51:50
negotiations. The Giunta has said it would defend the country
2:51:53
against any foreign attack.
2:51:54
So there's still a lot of unknowns. But this is a
2:51:57
significant next step, and certainly an escalation of
2:52:02
tensions, at least between the regional bloc and the offensive
2:52:06
block that seems to be forming right now. Between Mali Burkina
2:52:10
Faso and Niger, specifically,
2:52:12
in the capital and yummy residents condemned the military
2:52:15
intervention plan
2:52:16
plus ECOWAS needs to understand what the people of various
2:52:21
member countries expect of it. what is expected of ECOWAS is to
2:52:25
attack the causes of coup d'etat, not the consequences.
2:52:29
Because the European Union and the United States reiterated
2:52:36
concern about the conditions under which Bazoom and his
2:52:39
family were being detained.
2:52:44
Adam Curry: Hold on. A little longer. No, I know. I couldn't
2:52:49
find it.
2:53:01
John C Dvorak: Okay, yes.
2:53:05
Adam Curry: Sorry. I found it though.
2:53:08
John C Dvorak: No punch. So yeah, we're concerned about how
2:53:11
the other guy's being treated. We didn't say anything about our
2:53:14
concerns about the place being taken over
2:53:16
Unknown: No, no, we're not. So here's part two.
2:53:20
Uranium rich Niger is a key ally for the West in the fight
2:53:23
against Islamist militants in the Sahel region until the coup,
2:53:27
it was also aligned with the West after neighboring Mali, and
2:53:30
others turned against former colonial power France, in favor
2:53:34
of closer ties with Russia. France said late on Thursday, it
2:53:39
fully backed all the conclusions of ECOWAS meeting, but it stayed
2:53:42
clear of outlining any concrete support it could give to any
2:53:46
potential intervention.
2:53:49
John C Dvorak: So we booted France out.
2:53:51
Adam Curry: Yeah, I think that was part of the plan. I mean,
2:53:53
France needed for the uranium because they still use maybe I
2:53:58
think used to be 70 bucks, probably 55 60%. Atomic,
2:54:01
John C Dvorak: I think it's more I still think it's over in the
2:54:03
70s 70s. So that's
2:54:05
Adam Curry: out of the gas pipeline to this is why it's not
2:54:08
even about the Africa. It's about Europe. We're just
2:54:10
screwing Europe.
2:54:11
John C Dvorak: Yeah, this cuts off if the French were to buy
2:54:14
uranium they can buy it from the Russians.
2:54:17
Adam Curry: Yes, thank you Hill.
2:54:19
John C Dvorak: And yeah, this is France got screwed on the wheel.
2:54:24
I'm sure they were extracting uranium for next to nothing.
2:54:27
Adam Curry: We will continue to monitor this as we learn more
2:54:31
about Africa than we ever wanted to know.
2:54:33
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I didn't want to know anything.
2:54:36
Adam Curry: To two quickies that we have to play just to get them
2:54:39
on record.
2:54:39
Unknown: Tonight. disgraced former billionaire and
2:54:41
cryptocurrency CEO Sam bank ministries sent back to jail
2:54:46
after prosecutors accused him of giving a document to a media
2:54:49
outlet to intimidate a witness a judge revoking a 31 year old
2:54:53
$250 million bail remanding him into the custody of US Marshals
2:54:59
proxy Get her say bank been free try to discredit a trial witness
2:55:03
and taint the jury pool when he shared excerpts of his ex
2:55:06
girlfriend Caroline Ellison's personal documents with the New
2:55:09
York Times Ellison led bank Ben Fried's Alameda Research Fund
2:55:13
she's pleaded guilty and agreed to cooperate in the
2:55:16
investigation into allegations bank Ben freed defrauded
2:55:20
customers and lenders of his now bankrupt cryptocurrency company.
2:55:23
FTX is speaking with our George Stephanopoulos late last year.
2:55:27
I'm trying
2:55:28
to focus on what I can do going forward to be helpful.
2:55:32
And you know,
2:55:34
Adam Curry: you know, that cleaning everything up. Every
2:55:37
everybody you know he needed to go away. He's dangerous. He's
2:55:43
dangerous. He knows way too much about all the campaign
2:55:47
contributions he knows about the money to Ukraine. He knows too
2:55:50
much. Speaking of Ukraine. This happened
2:55:53
Unknown: tonight, President Solinsky announcing a crackdown
2:55:56
on corruption firing every regional military recruitment
2:55:59
chief ABCs chief foreign correspondent Ian Pannell is in
2:56:02
Ukraine.
2:56:05
A devastating Russian missile strike in zipper region in the
2:56:08
SouthEast of Ukraine. video circulating online showing the
2:56:12
moment one of the ballistic missiles flew overhead
2:56:15
yesterday, and the terrifying moment it lands exploding.
2:56:20
Residents running for their lives to missiles slamming next
2:56:23
to a hotel one woman died 90 were injured including four
2:56:27
children according to the state governor. And tonight, President
2:56:31
Solinsky firing every single regional military enlistment
2:56:35
chief across Ukraine amid a major corruption scandal.
2:56:39
Lindsey some of these officers are accused of taking bribes so
2:56:42
people can dodge military enlistment and the Lensky saying
2:56:46
the way they treat actual Warriors is immoral.
2:56:50
John C Dvorak: A terrible version of that story because
2:56:53
they interrupted it with a drone strike. I have my stories now
2:56:58
much better. But I have another clip that at least bring doesn't
2:57:02
bring her up.
2:57:02
Adam Curry: Yeah, brings in leaves the drone strike intact.
2:57:05
Yes, Ukrainian
2:57:06
John C Dvorak: moves the drone strike out and keeps this
2:57:08
corruption thing. What is going on with these? anybody in their
2:57:11
right mind? They're bailing out of the country?
2:57:15
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, yes. And we're bailing out too. This is
2:57:18
the beginning. This is always the Lensky.
2:57:22
John C Dvorak: Son of Ukraine.
2:57:23
Unknown: Ukrainian state investigators have uncovered
2:57:26
some shady business deals at business Erie recruitment
2:57:29
offices to paint the picture. 112 criminal cases have been
2:57:34
opened, exposing officials allegedly making illegal money,
2:57:38
and they're also accused of transporting new recruits across
2:57:42
borders to other countries. Now how much money was actually
2:57:46
taken is still unknown. However, all of this follows a scandal in
2:57:50
the Ukrainian city of Odessa. A recruitment officials family in
2:57:54
Spain was found owning properties worth millions of
2:57:58
dollars. The corruption scandal comes at a time when Ukraine's
2:58:02
long awaited counter offensive has been hampered by Russian
2:58:05
defense lines. Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky
2:58:09
quickly responded to the corruption allegations and fired
2:58:13
all military recruitment officers in the country. And he
2:58:16
said this
2:58:18
system should be run by people who know exactly what war is and
2:58:23
why cynicism and bribery in times of war constitute treason.
2:58:27
Adam Curry: This is a message and I'm not exactly sure what it
2:58:30
is. But if it's about exposing more corruption, there's a lot
2:58:34
to come. There's the entire telegram channels filled with
2:58:39
high ranking Ukrainian officials in foreign countries in Western
2:58:44
Europe in Austria. They've got a boo god, he's very raw. They've
2:58:50
got Lamborghinis, Ferraris Rolls Royces. They've got multimillion
2:58:55
dollar condos
2:58:57
John C Dvorak: thanks to the American taxpayer.
2:58:59
Adam Curry: It's all our money of course. So maybe this they're
2:59:02
finally winding this down. I mean, Africa is heating up. This
2:59:04
has got to go. But how do we how do we close it out? How do we
2:59:08
finish it?
2:59:09
John C Dvorak: They don't have an exit strategy. We know that.
2:59:13
Yeah.
2:59:15
Adam Curry: No peace. What a crazy idea. We could just have
2:59:20
peace.
2:59:22
John C Dvorak: Well, not with Zelinsky there, they're gonna
2:59:24
have to do something about that guy. Where's Halle Jones was his
2:59:27
legacy scenario.
2:59:29
Adam Curry: We'll have we'll have peace. Oh, I know what's
2:59:33
going to happen to Zelinsky
2:59:36
Unknown: sucked into a jet engine.
2:59:39
John C Dvorak: In a mood if He's smart, he's going to go to start
2:59:43
Switzerland as fast as he can. I
2:59:45
Adam Curry: hear Madrid is the new place to hang out. That's
2:59:48
where all the elites are Madrid because Madrid is like you can
2:59:51
completely live in luxury in a nice big town. It's
2:59:55
John C Dvorak: fun Madrid
2:59:56
Adam Curry: Madrid is that's where a lot of the royal family
2:59:58
are hanging out now. Madrid seems the place to be.
3:00:02
John C Dvorak: Okay. Well, that's where he should go then
3:00:04
Adam Curry: Mr. Lensky out, Vicki Newland puts in some new
3:00:07
people. They go for peace.
3:00:10
John C Dvorak: But they got a weather here's what they have to
3:00:12
get but they can't just let Solinsky escape and just leave
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the very they gotta he's got to be asked to buy some general who
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some phony baloney ousting he's going to flee to Madrid How
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about the
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Adam Curry: people how about the people know that people
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John C Dvorak: won't do anything? No obviously he
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wouldn't happen by now it's got to be a general some guy and
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then he's gonna get he's going to escape narrowly escape and
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end up in Madrid or wherever he wants to go
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Adam Curry: I don't I don't like your scenario. I think jet
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engine is much better. You've been more fun
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John C Dvorak: hoping people get sucked into jet engines for over
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a year you
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Adam Curry: wait you wait it's gonna happen. We got a jet
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engine in someone's future that's it
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John C Dvorak: cleaning up that mess.
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Adam Curry: No. Coming to you from right across from Schiphol
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Plaza enjoyed now now is the time hurry while stocks last
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best price. We've got under Show mixes from the traveling tacos.
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We've got the techno experts and Sir Chris Wilson where his Sir
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Chris we miss him. Up next. I know AGENDA stream.com We have a
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random thoughts with Sir Darren. Oh, very nice. So you want to
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stick around for that? And next time you hear from me I will be
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in the southern part of Spain with a travel report and a
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Spanish report. Right now coming to you from Schiphol Airport
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right across from runway two seven in the Netherlands in the
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morning everybody I'm Adam curry.
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John C Dvorak: Dan from Northern Silicon Valley where everyone is
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living it up but me on Jhansi Dvorak we return
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Adam Curry: on Thursday right here on no agenda for more
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deconstruction remember us at the borak.org/na Until then
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adios smartphones Hui Hui.
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Unknown: Whisper to my life the environment 1.9 $1.9 trillion
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dollars?
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Know.
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Adam Curry: Hundreds of 1000s of homeless eating from garbage
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cans in America
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Unknown: Get on the streets of San Francisco and then there's
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nothing better when you're pooping on
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Adam Curry: the streets in San Francisco
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Unknown: called around the world. Be careful where you put
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your feet here and the smelly Thrive streets here in San
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Francisco drop on the New York
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junkies it'll be crazy to try. And btw five streets doesn't
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matter if you're just as long as you don't
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blame it on President Trump. We've been in the streets come
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on down with us streets.
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Adam Curry: How did anyone know that the bag of poop on the San
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Francisco street? How did anyone know that? It was 20 pounds 20
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pounds of human waste. Like did anyone
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John C Dvorak: know? You're walking down the street? What is
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that bill? It looks like a bag of poop. Hold on a second. I've
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got a postal scale with me.
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Unknown: MoPhO vorak.org/n A
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Oh my god.
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