February 23rd, 2023 • 3h 10m
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John C Dvorak: Hey, we're all
broke. Adam curry, John C.
Dvorak.
Adam Curry: February 23 2023
industries your award winning
keep our nation media
assassination episode 1532. This
is no
Unknown: agenda, speaking in
real time and
Adam Curry: broadcasting live
from the heart of the Texas hill
country here in February. Tip
number six in the morning,
everybody. I'm Adam curry,
John C Dvorak: and from Northern
Silicon Valley where I'm not
taking part in the sandwich
eating thing. I'm Jesse Devorah.
Adam Curry: Sandwich eating
thing Do tell.
John C Dvorak: So I'm watching
poda and Jenna, as I would do
every morning.
Adam Curry: Yeah, of course on
GMA a part three.
John C Dvorak: And
Adam Curry: we'd sad life you
have, sir, if that's what
John C Dvorak: was missing in
action. They had some guy from
the show, there's some other guy
whose name I can never recall.
And they were discussing the
biggest thing going on on the
internet, right? Oh, here's how
to eat a sandwich. This is how
bad has become this is bringing
me back to the blogging days
where you people would blog?
Yes, I ate a cheese sandwich
today. And that would be their
blog post.
Adam Curry: This plays into
something I wanted to talk with
you about how convenient?
John C Dvorak: Well, I wouldn't
be convening because you keep up
with this stuff. You'd probably
all
Adam Curry: understand. Yeah,
I'm all in on the sandwich
thing. No, I'm gonna tie into
your newsletter, where you
notice that the newsletter was
not as effective as it used to
be? I mean, do you want to just
briefly summarize what you what
you wrote?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I was
bitching that the generally
speaking, they pay pal donations
that come in at the moment a
newsletter sent out or increased
by a certain percentage of the
original number in his formula.
Yeah. And that has been not
working recently, for some
reason. And I got a lot of notes
from everybody saying, hey, the
notes all had the same theme.
Hey, we're all broke. And I'm
thinking, Oh, gee, Joe Biden
says it economy's booming.
Adam Curry: Every note says
we're all broke. That's
interesting.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, pretty
much. I think that's the
thematically denotes all said,
we're all broke.
Adam Curry: Something else is
going on here. And you
identified it and I prove I put
a link to to this in in the show
notes. On May 25 of 2021. You
wrote an essay titled The death
of expertise and the rise of the
Internet. So this was mid
pandemic. And you penned this
yourself and I shall just read
the opening paragraph.
John C Dvorak: We'll use pins to
go on which but go on.
Adam Curry: Thank you, Kara. I
will read it. Yeah, you're
always doing it. The modern
Internet has become a hopeless
cesspool of lies misinformation,
Mal information, bad intentions,
ignorant good intentions and
half truths. Outright hoaxes,
slander, cruelty, as well as a
refuge for creeps, criminals,
thieves, phonies, agent
provocateurs, wouldn't be
revolutionary predators, useless
in fake reviews, Satanist, and
worse. Linking the entire globe
of all the subsystems of
corporate archives, personnel
records, medical information,
electrical grid interactions,
and more will turn out to be the
dumbest thing humanity has ever
done. This is one of my favorite
pieces from you. And I think
you're absolutely correct. Now
you go on to say that we should
basically shut the internet
down, which I think you could
have for years to have a debate
over that. But there's something
else going on that ties into
this. And I noticed it this
week, as I was I was watching
some videos that someone sent me
and let me see if I got this.
And it was Yeah, here it is. It
was a deep fake of Rogen and
Peterson that just listen to
this. Yeah, just listen to this
because it's I'm astounded about
just how good this really is.
All right, Jordan, I've been
hearing a lot about Peppa Pig
lately. What's all the fuss
about the show? Well, Joe, you
know Peppa Pig it's not just a
bloody kid show it has a lot of
layers to it. There's actually a
political dimension to Peppa Pig
that a lot of people overlook.
Wow, really? I never thought
about that. What do you mean by
political dimension? Hold that
Okay, so this goes on and I
think in general I mean, I can
hear it pretty quickly that this
is what we would call so called
Deep fake it would it what would
video so that actually distracts
from from the trick? Because you
know, the mouse never really
worked the mouse are not there
yet. But I realized that people
who listen to podcast a in 1.5
or two times speed Do you really
can't separate facts from
fiction when you're doing that,
because the, in general, you're
now already used to a
particularly for us like
overcast, smart speed feature
which chops out silences. You
know, you're getting a choppy
version, you're really training
your brain to accept horrible,
horribly faked audio as probably
real and good because that's
what you're listening to. And,
and here's the thing I posted
something just to kind of throw
it out there to the effect of,
if you listen to podcasts at 1.5
or two point times speed, you
will not be able to detect the
AI phony AI stuff in the future.
You know, the choice is yours,
whatever.
John C Dvorak: You know, I saw
you going back and forth on the
no agenda social with this
argument. Yes. And I never
realized that you base it on the
Peppa Pig.
Adam Curry: That's where it
started. And the amount of
people who listen at high speed
is astounding. And I think that
you're allowed. I mean, what's
happening here? Because I've
asked many people well, you
know, why do you do that? Well,
I can I can do more my day, I
can read more more sub stacks, I
can listen to more podcasts. If
your amygdala is completely out
of whack, if you're doing this,
I believe that your nervous
system is being hijacked. It's
very unhealthy. This is
analogous to Hitler changing,
you know, the age from four for
432 to 440. You know whether
that was true or not, but when
when things are not in tune when
they're not resonating because
they're human. They I think this
is really bad for you. And what
I see happen is, is everyone is
now doing outrage, podcasting.
We got someone who responded to
the newsletter says, How come
you didn't start with the with
Ohio? Why wasn't that your lead?
Well, first of all, we're not a
news program. We don't do
leaves. You know, we don't have
a meeting about what we're going
to do. You know, it's
unscripted. I don't know maybe
47,000 people dead and turkeys
more important didn't start with
that either. But I see Tucker
Carlson opening his show was 20
minutes on Don Lemon. You know,
it's like people are consuming
so much and they get so riled up
like, Hey, man, you Don's gonna
save us Twitter files is the
truth or don't run the sentence
he's gonna save us. Rhonda
Santas all he's talking about
his woke culture. James O'Keefe
will rise again. No, no, this
isn't your have been hide your
nervous systems have been
hijacked. When you find when you
find yourself yelling at
podcasts agreeing that yeah, Joe
Biden should be in Ohio. Not
it's like sure that you've lost
the overall plot of what's going
on and they're winning. They are
winning. And I think you know,
this, this dopamine hits, this
is what podcasts are now it goes
from Megyn Kelly outrage outrage
out when she's still mad at
Meghan Markel, for some reason
to the pool boy, you know, who
will yell about this stuff
incessantly. So I just want to
warn everybody that I think
you're out of resonance when
you're when you're listening to
podcasts at high speed and why?
Why are you doing this? And if
it's to cram in more, no, don't
drink from a fire hose like
that. Anyway, so it reminded me
of that piece of yours from from
2021. It's like, yeah, that's
that's where we're at. Now,
John C Dvorak: as a good piece.
By the way, there's
Adam Curry: a very good piece.
John C Dvorak: Now, I'm not
going to disagree with anything
you had to say. And I think
people should be listened to I
think, listening to a podcast in
the background while you're
doing something else, which is
what a lot of people do, I think
is, is okay. But But jamming it
in at 1.5. Because it's all it's
three hours. Oh, I can't I don't
have time for that. Well, you
don't you have podcasts or not
television? No, even though the
best television is, as I think
it was, some of the early
producers in the 50s and 60s
would talk about television as
being casual. So a good TV show,
sitcom or other when they were
more popular. This doesn't apply
to dramas as much, but to
sitcoms where you can just come
and go you don't have to sit and
watch the whole show. You can
just watch bits and pieces of it
while you do other things. Yeah
was considered the way to do
television back in the day. This
Adam Curry: is another point
that I'd like to bring up. Why
do you need to watch people with
headphones on and microphones in
front of their faces
John C Dvorak: but that joke a
that's a I think that's a
different time. But but it's
part of that most of it that
makes no sense sense at all to
me that
Adam Curry: I want to I want to
see people you can blame Howard
John C Dvorak: Stern for that
Adam Curry: was it though
John C Dvorak: now you will edge
also that other guy that guy the
the the outrage
Adam Curry: outro Well which one
pick them
John C Dvorak: but I'm talking
about the what the outrage guy
who went on and and video at his
radio show
Adam Curry: Alex Jones
John C Dvorak: No no no this up
to a pure radio guy. Famous
Imus, Imus Yeah,
Adam Curry: I miss Don Imus Imus
in the Morning.
John C Dvorak: I think I miss
babe in the first guy maybe?
Yeah, well, all radio
Adam Curry: stations around the
world do it now and but people
are drawn to it. I'm not quite
sure why. But anyway, my point
is, I just don't think it's
healthy because you are missing
context. Forget, forget that
I've that. I think we're making
art here. That's okay. Art. You
know, I always say, would you
jog past the Mona Lisa, jog past
the Mona Lisa, don't take a look
at it. But that but besides that
is just not healthy. And I worry
for people who don't see what's
happening. And it's like Gene,
sir gene man, he listened he he
recommends people listen to his
own podcast and 1.5 speed. This
is crazy. Let's do this.
John C Dvorak: Hello. Now while
I'm talking to you, and you hear
me in normal speed, stop it.
Okay.
Adam Curry: Hopefully that'll
come through to
John C Dvorak: people. I think
that overlooked point here
because you've gone past it is
that if you listen at 1.5 speed,
you will never hear a deep fake.
Adam Curry: No, the exactly. You
won't hear the deep fakes.
John C Dvorak: You can you can
be buffaloed and
Adam Curry: it's getting better.
It really is this kind of here's
an example of one because you
know, of course our president
was in Ukraine. Lottie da so
here's this shows up. Biden hot
mic in Poland, these three
objects for most likely, this is
Biden answering some questions
and then he walks away. And then
the press are yelling at him.
And apparently he has a hot mic
batch backstage wounds tied
Unknown: to private companies
studying whether or conducting
other scientific research
Adam Curry: is good. If you can
hear. Do you think they bought
that bullshit? And someone says
Yeah, completely, sir. All
right. Let's get out of here. I
mean, you can't even hear it.
You can't even hear it. Listen
to it. Normally.
John C Dvorak: I think that's
the way you have to do it.
Adam Curry: Well, I did that
kind of hot mic stuff.
John C Dvorak: But if you're
gonna do a fake Hi, Hi, Mike.
Yeah, but it
Adam Curry: was bad. It was a
bad fake because I heard it a
waiter says that's not that's
not Biden. That's not the same
Biden who just walked off stage
John C Dvorak: No, but no, at
the end of his speech, Biden's
not going to be that area died.
He's going to be tired. Right?
But you have to have a tired
stumbling. You have to have a
hot Biden at the beginning.
Adam Curry: But if you listen to
it at double speed you're gonna
miss it. Oh, god, that's great.
Let me send it to Adam. Let me
post it on telegram and I've
been catching haha man. I can't
believe you know the Matt Lee
clip. This is another problem we
have which relates to your
article The Matt Lee clip of him
braiding as it Jake, I guess
about a week or or about about
NATO moving closer to Russia.
Turns out that was from 2019. I
guess we'd missed that clip.
Because if I if I hear a clip I
usually detect that we played it
before. But the internet is a
cesspool. And all I'm seeing now
so
John C Dvorak: you found that
was for 2019 year must have been
are very, very,
Adam Curry: very irksome. Yes,
of course. Of course. That
happens.
John C Dvorak: I didn't catch it
either. I didn't know that there
was an old clip we you know
people shouldn't should be
careful like everyone so I get
an old clip for someone I said
did you look at the date on that
clip and then they get very
embarrassed. But yeah, it's
that's a huge problem.
Adam Curry: Like apparently, you
know, Biden fell up the stairs
again, leaving Poland and people
were sending me the old clip of
him following
John C Dvorak: that same old
clip. Yeah. Anyway, we'll leave
it did the one I saw recently
and I don't know what it was.
Nobody else seems to be able to
identify the one who
Adam Curry: fell down from
halfway down the stairs. That
was the back of the plane. So I
must have been pressed as
different. I'm just saying it
because I love everybody and I
see that you're you've been
captured, and the more people I
see who are yelling at you Yeah,
you know, literally like Elon is
gonna save us Twitter files. No,
no, no one's coming to save you.
You know, and goldsworth We
definitely have to talk about
Project Veritas. But I don't
know if James O'Keefe is going
to rise again and save all of
you. The only thing that can
save you is you and your
community, probably best
community you have is the no
agenda show go to a meet up.
Because all of the rest is just
it's really going downhill to
the to the fact where it's hard
to even get anything from our
own media that is worthwhile.
I'm not gonna clip something
about how Fox News is trying to
take down CNN as the lead story
in primetime 20 minutes of
Donald Lamont okay, very funny
the first time you said it, you
know, this is this is this,
these are the stories
John C Dvorak: or this thing is
getting a little a little old to
Adam Curry: be lead story. So, I
was like, Wow, all right. Enough
complaining i
John C Dvorak: It's only that
was a good day. I was a lot of
complaining at the beginning.
Yeah,
Adam Curry: I want to look out
for everybody. I love everybody.
And I'm I'm kind of concerned
about this. Blow me this. About
people listening. It's not good
for you. It's not harmonious. it
hijacks your nervous system when
you do this with a podcast. Now,
let's play a super
John C Dvorak: card away since
you mentioned him. You mentioned
the pool man. I find I find that
the definitive clip of em in a
nutshell.
Adam Curry: Okay. And also, I
think it's not a good idea for
shows to be bashing other shows.
John C Dvorak: I agree with
that. But this is just a just
Tim Poole in a nutshell ISO.
Second together ISOs Oh, yeah,
Adam Curry: I got here we go.
Unknown: Now I'm gonna burst
your bubble everybody.
Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly.
Breaking up breaking breaking.
John C Dvorak: I let me listen
to one of his shows because he
was he went on one topic for
like an hour. Did he bust your
bubble wild?
Adam Curry: Do you bust your
bubble?
John C Dvorak: He says that
phrase. Uh huh. At least once
every 15 minutes.
Adam Curry: I've got to bust
your bubble, everybody. Here's a
supercut of your media. We're
not talking about John Lamont of
CNN. Here's how they talk about
the very courageous President of
the United States of America.
Joe Biden
Unknown: has put solidarity
ahead of his own personal safety
air raid
sirens and no real guarantee of
security as air raid sirens
blaring
was incredibly dramatic. Andrea,
it was historic as well
historic,
timely, and brave, the first
American President to go to a
warzone. Though US military
presence for security on the
ground.
American presidents have made
dramatic trips before Nixon to
China, Kennedy Reagan to the
Berlin Wall and presidents have
visited US troops in war zones
but never like this
to find a day of this kind of
presidential bravery in a war
zone.
You've got to go all the way
back to 1864. With Biden's trip
to Europe, you
know he is he is welcomed as not
only the frankly the savior of
Ukraine, but also the savior of
Europe as a whole is historic.
It's
the first time that a US
president has gone into an
active war zone that the US
military does not have control
over and against all odds. It
was successful.
The continuing threat quite
literally sounding all around
the two leaders.
This guy's here are not safe.
And in fact an air raid siren
went off while President Biden
was here
seeing the American President
they're walking the streets of
tea while air raid sirens
literally sounded in that
moment. about possible incoming
fire from Russia of the wail of
an air raid siren air raid
sirens
wailing in the background,
seemingly undeterred by an air
raid siren undeterred,
by the sound of air sirens,
President Biden's ability
with aviators on
broad daylight and keys, the
swagger
of this trip, not just the
execution of the secrecy, but
the swagger of it on display on
the streets of Kyiv.
Adam Curry: Oh man, just
swagger, the swagger of it
John C Dvorak: the guy can
barely walk this and by the way,
anybody who listen to any
reasonable report on this said
the Air Race Island was fake.
Adam Curry: Completely phony
hadn't been one for five days.
The minute he steps onto the
streets, they they let it go
off.
John C Dvorak: If this was
Trump, all you do to hear the
same eight holes that you just
heard all talking about photo
op, and we went in there for a
photo op with a phony siren.
Adam Curry: Exactly. Now, it
went even deeper, very
respectful people here on CNN,
Doug Brinkley, what is it, what
it what it reminds you have
Unknown: Doug, who as our
resident historian here placed
this in the context in the
pantheon of presidential visits
to
Adam Curry: place this in the
context of the pantheon of
presidential visits. warzones
presidents have visited Iraq and
have You understand in recent
years, but those were US wars.
This is a Ukrainian war. I love
this. It was a US war. This is
Ukrainian. We have nothing to do
with this.
John C Dvorak: There's nothing
to do.
Adam Curry: There's no US
soldiers involved anywhere. No
advisors, no one, no one, no
training, nothing. I mean, we're
not in control of this area at
all our weapons, but we're not
in control. No US military
presence on the ground, how
significant. It's extremely
John C Dvorak: significant. The
United States is wedded more to
the Ukraine than ever before. I
go back to history and think of
Roosevelt and Churchill,
Adam Curry: I love a guy who's a
historian who says the Ukraine,
that's it that always makes me
feel like the guy's a good
historian
John C Dvorak: to the Ukraine
than ever before. I go back to
history and think of Roosevelt
and Churchill, when FDR had to
sneak off in the dead of night
even had a body double at one
point to first meet Winston
Churchill, off the coast of
Newfoundland. And then of
course, you had all those World
War Two found
Adam Curry: newfound land. Even
I would say Newfoundland, but
now newfound land off the coast
John C Dvorak: of Newfoundland.
And then of course, you had all
those world war two meetings
between Churchill, it's worth
mentioning Churchill, co
Solinsky, has been called the
Church of Our generation by
going there today, I think it's
going to be a moment and for the
history books, when John F.
Kennedy went to Berlin, on 1961,
and gave a speech at the height
of the Cold War, Ukraine is the
new Berlin, it's the rallying
point for NATO in the Western
Allies. And I think Biden did
something really
Adam Curry: heroic. It's the new
Berlin,
John C Dvorak: take down that
wall.
Adam Curry: It's got to be
something like well, actually,
Putin, President Putin had a
speech he addressed the nation,
I guess he addressed the his,
his military and all the muckety
mucks. He does that several
times a year. And it was about
an hour and a half. And that
were a couple of translated
versions. I picked a clip from
what I thought was a lady who
did a just a great job on
translating, I love for nuances
Unknown: want to create conflict
situations, situations at our
borders, by new European do the
same pattern all along in the
whole 20th century. It's to when
you where you turn any form of
action against Russia, we are
not waging war with the Ukraine,
as we know that they are in a
hostage situation. They have
been politically and militarily
occupied by the Westerners.
Cranium. Industry, a natural
riches were plundered, and it's
led to social degradation. And
we just, it's really not
difficult to see why military
actions have to be launched bgn
it was all with the perfect pad.
The idea was to turn them into a
pool conditioner. And this the
responsibility of the Western
elites of military elites of
lots of foreigners to the
Ukrainian regime down not trying
to support the interest of the
Ukrainian people. They are
dressed using this as
they want to take it. They have
launched new offensives.
Adam Curry: All right. So this
is kind of the story we know.
And I and it was interesting
that Putin says, Well, you know,
they're in a hostage situation,
we have to, we have to go save
them. As if coordinated. Former
President Trump clearly a puppet
for Putin, from his new Trump
club. 47. Always a marketing man
that said this,
Unknown: World War Three has
never been closer than it is
right now. We need to clean
house of all of the war mongers
and America last globalist and
the deep state, the Pentagon,
the State Department and the
National Security industrial
complex. One of the reasons I
was the only president in
generations who didn't start a
war is that I was the only
president who rejected the
catastrophic advice of many of
Washington's generals,
bureaucrats and the so called
diplomats who only know how to
get us into conflict, but they
don't know how to get us out.
For decades, we've had the very
same people such as Victoria
Nuland, and many others just
like her up faced with pushing
Ukraine toward NATO, not to
mention the State Department
support for uprisings in
Ukraine. These people have been
seeking confrontation for a long
time, much like the case in Iraq
than other parts of the world.
And now, we're teetering on the
brink of world war three. And a
lot of people don't see it, but
I see it. And I've been right
about a lot of things. They all
say Trump's been right about
everything, all of them, none of
this excuses in any way, the
outrageous and horrible invasion
of Ukraine one year ago, which
would have never happened if I
was your president, not even a
little chance.
Adam Curry: So a very
interesting what he says there,
at least, let's take those two
things together at Deutsche
Avella, you know, we have to go
outside of our own borders to
get any kind of media to
deconstruct or that's even worth
playing. Because it's about
Dungloe mom, Deutsche Avella,
did a report on where most of
the Ukrainians fled to. Now this
was eye opening. Because I think
it's five or 7 million people
have fled Ukraine. We know that
many of them have gone to
Europe. But let's really find
out where most people fled from
Ukraine and where they went to.
Unknown: The United Nations says
that since the invasion last
February, more than 8 million
Ukrainians have left their
homeland. So where are they now
let's take a look at the map. It
may surprise you. Top of the
list, believe it or not, Russia,
it has taken in 2.8 5 million
new grads. That's the number
that have crossed the border
since last February, after
Russia, Poland. It's a very
supportive neighbor of Ukraine,
which we've reported on numerous
times it has seen an influx of
more than one and a half million
Ukrainians in the past year. And
then right here in Germany, more
than 1 million Ukrainians have
arrived here since the war began
the capital Berlin where we are
has registered more than 100,000
Ukrainians. Then there is the
Czech Republic, which is taken
in and you see right there
500,000 Ukrainians, they've
sought refuge there that is the
equivalent of about 5% of that
country's population. These are
big numbers, big movements of
people.
Adam Curry: Yeah, who would have
known almost 3 million went to
Russia, because you know, they
hate Russia.
John C Dvorak: Well, you have to
assume those are the Donbass
people, because a lot of them, a
lot of which are Russians base
didn't there's a lot of Russians
in Ukraine, a lot of Ukrainians
in Russia. Oh,
Adam Curry: I'm a little unclear
about where we're sending all of
these weapons.
John C Dvorak: Oh, but some of
them are probably going to
Somali, the Ukrainians were
going to other parts of Africa
via Ukraine, and I'm sure they
who knows what's going on with
the bullets. I mean, they're
supposed to be this way where I
was listening to one report.
Well, it's an artillery war is
what is artillery wood there?
What's the need for all these
bullets?
Adam Curry: I mean, this is
France 24. There on the Eastern
Front, surprising report.
Unknown: We just back from the
eastern front line in this
ongoing and intense conflict.
And the situation there remains
very difficult indeed, our team
was in the trenches alongside
Ukrainian soldiers operating an
artillery unit, the material
dated from the 1970s to Viet
union.
Adam Curry: How come they're
using 1970 stuff? Didn't we say
this is the front line? Right?
Yeah, the
John C Dvorak: front line should
have are a good stuff, how come
are the 1970s style stuff,
Unknown: and they say they are
struggling to get enough
ammunition for that they're
worried about that, as they head
forward into spring and into the
summer when they would hope to
be going on the offensive at the
moment. They're trying to hold
the Ukrainian line in the face
of waves and waves of Russian
soldiers men advancing, which
they see with drone technology.
So that push very much underway,
they say, and they are firing
1000s of cells every day to try
and hold the line.
Adam Curry: None of this makes
sense.
John C Dvorak: Know that what
you just said if you start to
think about it, there's only one
real front line. Which is that
where she was? Yeah. And they
don't ask where all our stuff
should be where where's our
stuff? As you said
Adam Curry: in Africa? Uh, yeah.
It's, it's already moving down.
I mean, the mercenaries from
what I understand are already
moving down to Africa getting
ready for the next confrontation
and
John C Dvorak: action going to
take place in Africa. I
Adam Curry: think you have to
bite us right? That's right.
John C Dvorak: Here's a couple
of clips from die. You made this
comment earlier. You have to go
out of the country to get a
news. Pretty much all my clips
today are from China. some
podcasts in NHK lot of na
Adam Curry: TAS I hope we
listened to them real fast.
John C Dvorak: I do always
listen to 1.75 Ooh, nice. Sounds
like they all sound like Trini
Lopez. So if I had a hammer
there's a reference. Nobody got
it. I got it. Yeah, you would
get a job in Ukraine. China
kvetching NHK.
Unknown: China's Foreign
Minister says
certain countries should stop
fueling the fire in the Ukraine
conflict. Shingon was apparently
referring to the US and its
allies don't want to tumble
which China
is deeply worried about the
conflict could spiral out of
control.
Chen was speaking to stay in
Beijing. This comes after
Washington issued its own
warning to Beijing. US Secretary
of State Antony Blinken on
Saturday told China's top
diplomat one way that he's
concerned Beijing may provide
lethal support to Russia.
Beijing had bagged by saying
it's the US and not China that's
been sending weapons to the
battlefield in Ukraine.
Adam Curry: Yeah, this this is
now a narrative that I'm hearing
in the US media in the Western
media is Oh, China. So now
they're and that's exactly how
they do it. What China? They're
John C Dvorak: really this
pronunciation of Bae Jin Zhen is
Adam Curry: new for me.
John C Dvorak: I've never heard
it before, but that's what
they're calling it. That just
reminds me to Turkey. Ah,
Turkey. Turkey.
Adam Curry: Let me go ahead.
John C Dvorak: Maybe we're gonna
just start calling it Bae Jin
Adam Curry: Jin, I like Beijing.
I left my chin in obey Jin.
Here's Meet the Press with Chip
chip. Chuck Chuck Todd Gregory
with Antony Blinken bringing in
the Chinese
Unknown: this concern that China
is considering belief of
potential lethal aid in this war
to Russia. What evidence can you
share with us? That indicates
your concern that they're going
to escalate their help to
Russia, as you said they've been
helping them rhetorically.
They've been helping them maybe
by buying cheap oil. But what is
the other evidence that you have
here that they're thinking about
doing more? Well, China's having
tried to have it both ways,
publicly present themselves.
Adam Curry: China's gonna have
it both ways. There. There
really is this smokin hot these
Chinese man, China's having
tried to have it both ways.
Publicly, they present
themselves as a country striving
for for peace in Ukraine. But
privately, as I said, we've seen
already over these these past
months, the provision of non
lethal assistance that does go
directly to aiding and abetting
Russia's war effort. And that
indicates that they are strongly
considering providing lethal
assistance to Russia. That what
a bullshit answer. Well, the
historically indicating it, can
you maybe explain how
Unknown: this concern that China
is considering belief, the
potential lethal aid potential
in this war to Russia? What
evidence can you share? Wait, is
that the
Adam Curry: same clip I just
played? sounds the same as it is
thus? The same one I just played
second 5252 5050 to
Unknown: this concern, publicly,
they present
Adam Curry: the same clip. Sorry
about that. Anyway, there you
go. It has no proof. He's just
saying it. No, you know, is
there they're considering I'd
put a lethal age. Mark my words
on a Blinken.
John C Dvorak: But we're doing
lethal aid.
Adam Curry: Yes. Yes. Now the
United Nations. They're, they're
dead. They don't want this
United Nations is figuring out
that the US I would have to say
we are bad actors here. And that
we have effectively cut off
Europe's supply of of energy for
Germany to create stuff. And
everyone's kind of
John C Dvorak: big for their
britches.
Adam Curry: Yes,
John C Dvorak: we are.
Everyone's not us. Germany was
Oh, yeah. Well, it depends on
what we have to do is make it a
little more difficult or at
least get a piece of the action.
It
Adam Curry: was well, we didn't
get a piece of the action. We
blowed it all up. And now the
United Nations is trying to
figure out how we can bring
peace. The language
Unknown: of the new resolution
is one of urgency. It is also
carefully formulated in general
terms, aiming to garner as much
support as possible. The text
drafted by Ukraine with help
from allies underscores the
urgency to find a comprehensive,
just and lasting peace. It also
demands a cessation of
hostilities, not a ceasefire and
an unconditional and complete
withdrawal of Russian forces
from the territory of Ukraine
within its internationally
recognized borders. including
the four regions unilaterally
annexed by Russia last year. But
it makes no direct reference to
President Volodymyr Zelensky 10
Point peace plan presented at
the G 20. summit in November.
The aim is to make it more
difficult not to back the text
to previous resolutions over the
past year were adopted with an
overwhelming majority. However,
Russia did find support from its
friends and allies, the first
one in March, condemning
Russia's invasion and demanding
an immediate end to its military
operations. So five countries
voting against Russia, Belarus,
North Korea, Eritrea and Syria
35 others abstained mostly in
Asia and Africa. resolution
adopted in the wake of Russia's
illegal annexation of four
regions in eastern Ukraine.
Again, so five votes against and
35 Abstentions. This time
Eritrea abstained instead of
voting no, while Nicaragua
joined the new camp. Once again,
a majority of abstentions came
from Africa, where many
countries rely on Russia and
grain exports. Alongside China
and India. Two big buyers of
Russian oil. Turkey, meanwhile,
approved both resolutions. This
week. 191 members are eligible
to vote with Lebanon and
Venezuela temporarily suspended
due to arrears in the payment of
their financial contributions.
Adam Curry: I didn't know that
if you didn't pay your dues. You
don't get to vote. I mean, it
sounds fair. But Hello. That's
kind of odd. How much in arrears
are they? Well, these votes are
useless. Yeah, but the sending
message people they don't want
it they don't really want it.
For France 24 Then you getting
so much the reporting slanted or
not? At least they're they're
reporting kind of on instead of
these. Hi, Jackie, click click
baity headlines from from the US
media. And this is France 24.
You know as Biden is promising a
lot now he's been a lot of money
being promised. I love this
reporters gaff
Unknown: we just heard there
from David that Joe Biden is now
heading to Poland. What do we
expect from his trip? There are
a few things. A little
overlooked. Poland is hoping
that this visit from Bowdoin I
met Joe Biden will.
Adam Curry: Bow Jaiden Thank
you, thank you no agenda show
creeping into her nervous system
Unknown: is hoping that this
visit from Bowdoin I met divided
will underline that the US is
100% behind Poland and that
Eastern Flank of NATO because it
really matters for investors who
are going to get cold feet about
investing in Poland. So
Adam Curry: we're gonna be
rebuilding a straightforward,
the image
Unknown: of Joe Biden saying We
pledge whatever it takes for
Ukraine. And that strong image
is very important to Poland.
Beyond that the Polish are keen
to try to persuade a Biden to
push this idea of some sort of
partnership, guaranteeing
security for Ukraine after the
war. Now, NATO membership itself
is of course, much more
complicated. The Polish have in
mind something along the lines
of the partnership between the
US and Israel, where there is a
commitment to stand by Israel.
And so they're pushing that idea
Adam Curry: like Israel. That's
an interesting analogy. Make it
like Israel. I thought that was
like what?
John C Dvorak: It's kind of it's
funny, the polling suggests that
because polling in Israel are at
odds, I would say, some has no
they are I mean, it's historical
study. I get a visa. Yeah. It to
a back and forth a poll that
used to be wide open. You didn't
need a visa, but they've locked
that down. And it has a lot to
do with the Israeli lobby. Well,
they're still pissed at Poland
for World War Two.
Adam Curry: Well, if you'll
remember everyone's all lovey
dovey right now with Poland but
there were entire Senate
meetings over sanctioning Poland
because they hadn't apologized.
Remember that?
John C Dvorak: Vaguely Yeah, let
me see. Can you remember again
let's play this one this is
another little aspect is another
dimension to this war, which is
now the START treaty. So we're
gonna show this is a good news
for you guys who are building
these expensive bombs START
Treaty then. This is an
interesting clip because it's a
NHK again, and they go from one
topic to another very
seamlessly.
Unknown: Russia's parliament
approved the suspension of the
remaining nuclear arms control
treaty. It had signed with the
United States purge and had
announced on Tuesday, Moscow was
halting its participation in the
New START Treaty.
That is Western nations. that
started the war and we
supposedly are using our force
to stop with your estimated
plastron leaders rejected
Putin's claim.
Nobody is attacking Russia.
Russia is the aggressor. Ukraine
is the victim of aggression.
Ukraine will never be a victory
for Russia. Our support for
Ukraine will not waver.
They're digging in their heels
as the war continues and causes
more and more casualties. Putin
spoke at a rally in Moscow State
in a Moscow stadium and called
for national unity. Russian
media reports say about 200,000
government supporters attended
the rally.
John C Dvorak: I liked the way
they phrased that one. That's a
good little deconstruction
there. So Putin did a Trump leg
rally in a stadium. And he got
200,000 people to show up. They
forced them at gunpoint,
obviously. So they they make it
sound they say they call it
government supporters, not Putin
supporters, or just now that is
a good phrasing, isn't it?
Russians want to want to see the
guy because he's not normally
you don't see him that often.
But it was a Modi side, Modi
could get these kinds of crowds.
Oh,
Adam Curry: you got your number
outs? Yeah.
John C Dvorak: When Trump
visited Modi in India, he said,
Oh, man, I wish I could get
crowds like this. Well, Putin
can. And he, and they downplay
it as government support just a
bunch of people given the day
off, I guess, and it's got to go
to this stadium. Now one
Adam Curry: of the countries in
the EU that has trying to avoid
getting wrapped up in all of
this is Hungary. Hungary is has
been very ugly stepchild of the
of the EU rejecting vaccine
mandates rejecting the thing,
even the Pfizer is on track of
immigrants, literally saying, we
want to keep our country with a
with our Christian, or what do
they say? Their their, their
Christian values? Not quite sure
exactly. What the phrase
something like that is about
that. Yeah, it's about Yeah,
it's about they don't want
Muslim immigrants. And
certainly, would they say
they're not immigrants, if you
if you want to immigrate into
our country, there's ways to do
it just walking across the
border, you're not an immigrant,
you know, the kind of stuff you
might say about a sovereign
country? Which is rare. Yes. And
so the problem, is there a
problem. And this and I want you
to pay close attention, slow it
down to one to one time speed,
everybody, you're going to need
to hear it in real time so you
can hear the nuance of evil.
This is Samantha Power.
Unknown: As USAID Administrator,
I have the chance to travel all
around the world to engage with
people who are working every day
to strengthen democratic
institutions to build
independent media, and to
promote and protect human
rights. I'm here in Hungary, one
of the countries in Central
Europe, where USAID has recently
relaunched programming to tackle
just these challenges. I'm gonna
spend the next couple days
engaging with Hungarians about
their vision for a brighter
future.
Adam Curry: Regime Change
incoming color revolution
John C Dvorak: USA IDs gone in
there. Is that what she says?
She's
Adam Curry: now she's now the
administrator of USA ID.
John C Dvorak: Oh, that's that's
the that's the jackals that were
B. Yes. And I love the the book,
Confessions of an economic
hitman, which new listeners
don't know, we went on, we were
pushing this book for a long
time. It's a good book to read
Adam Curry: the original, the
original, not until they got to
him. The second, not
John C Dvorak: as good. It talks
about how this works. And USA
ideas a big part? Well, here's
Adam Curry: my favorite little
snippet in here.
Unknown: I travel all around the
world to engage with people who
are working every day to
strengthen democratic
institutions to build
independent media
Adam Curry: to build independent
media that's independent. I
mean, she right there.
John C Dvorak: That's the one US
propaganda sources.
Adam Curry: I hate to be so anti
us, but holy crap, we are Dixon,
this
John C Dvorak: was some of these
people. Our problem is not the
US itself. No, thank
Adam Curry: you, that makes
John C Dvorak: people if he's
the those woman,
Adam Curry: that woman
specifically,
John C Dvorak: specifically
Nudelman the other one Oh, man.
Adam Curry: Yeah. And you know,
and I went around looking
because I keep hearing or keep
reading. You know, well, Putin
wants to rebuild the Russian
Empire. And you go looking for a
source. And the only people who
say this are Ukrainians. That's
all I get. It's like did when
did Putin say he wants to
rebuild the Russian Empire or
the Soviet empire? And you
always get back, according to a
Ukrainian official, or, you
know, or an American official,
but I've not actually if someone
could send it to me, I'd love to
have it. I'd love to to have a
clip or anything or even a
written statement. I'll accept
that Putin saying he wants to
read store the Russian Empire
back to its imperial glory. I
mean, as far as I can tell,
that's just a lie. Surprise.
John C Dvorak: It's an
extrapolation of some things he
said. He said, You know, it was
the glory days or something. He
made some Jew references. He
never said it was good. rapidly
from his wife. He said that that
he means this. That's our boys
at work now. Well,
Adam Curry: our boys do do good
job. But they should just
propagandize other people stop
doing it to us. Yeah, I do have
something on this. Let me see on
the START treaty, from actually
let's just play these two clips.
Here we have this is a CBS
Evening News, Ed O'Keefe Biden
reassuring our NATO
Unknown: President Biden today
sought to assure the eastern
most members of NATO that the US
would stand with them in the
event of a Russian invasion,
you're the
frontlines of our collective
defense. And you're no better
than anyone. What's at stake in
this conflict, not just for
Ukraine, but for the freedom
democracies throughout Europe
and around the world freedom.
The
meeting kept a trip that began
in session in Kyiv, designed to
reiterate American support for
Ukraine, but it ended as a
barrage of Russian missiles hit
the northeastern city of Harkey,
the war raging on in Moscow
President Vladimir Putin rally
the large flag waving crowd
praising courageous Russian
soldiers, making no mention of
mountain casualties.
Adam Curry: Why didn't you say
government workers
Unknown: who's also held talks
with China's top envoy one year,
US officials voiced concern this
week the Chinese could supply
lethal military aid to the
Russian army, we've made very
clear to them that that would
cause a serious problem for us.
Both countries
Adam Curry: this this thing is
sweet and beautifully. I mean,
you don't need to see video with
this report it clear to them
that that would cause a serious
problem for us.
Unknown: Both countries flex
their military might today and
drills off the South African
coast. The US officials
criticized Putin's decision
Tuesday to suspend participation
in the last remaining nuclear
arms treaty between the two
countries asked about it today.
President Biden had this to say
Adam Curry: I can't even
understand what he said on that
report.
John C Dvorak: That was a big
mistake. Oh, big
Adam Curry: mistake. Well,
there's a continuation about the
START treaty,
Unknown: that arms treaty caps
the number of nuclear warheads
the US and Russia can have and
allows for mutual inspection of
each other's programs. But the
inspections were stopped during
the pandemic. So suspending them
further would mean the US would
know even less about Russia's
nuclear capabilities and
intentions
John C Dvorak: and intentions
and intentions. Why don't they
go? recited? We're the ones who
cut the deal off. Was it him?
Was it Putin?
Adam Curry: And it was
suspended? Not not not don not,
you know, not ended. It's
suspended. I'm
John C Dvorak: talking to Putin
until he gets out of Ukraine.
Adam Curry: That's right. That's
right. Well, right.
John C Dvorak: Well, I don't
have any more on Ukraine.
Adam Curry: The only thing I
have is one of our Dutch
producers. Young Vilem, he did a
pretty good breakdown of Euro,
just the euro. Just this is what
Queen Ursula has put together to
to I guess, to convict Putin.
And it's really just a desk
somewhere within the joint
investigation team. But now it's
a statement here from Ursula
Russia must be held accountable
in courts for its odious crimes.
Prosecutors from Ukraine and the
European Union are already
working together. We are
collecting evidence. As a first
step, I am pleased to announce
that an international center for
the prosecution of the crime of
aggression, which is new, which
is also is the ICPC Okay, so
it's a new thing we can sign on
to the crime of aggression. Yes,
the International Center for the
prosecution of the crime of
aggression.
John C Dvorak: Aggressive is a
crock and odd during the Bush
administration may qualify.
Adam Curry: Well, you can't do
that after the fact.
John C Dvorak: You can they can
shrug promising to do it after
the fact.
Adam Curry: This will be set up
in The Hague, of course, the
center will coordinate the
collection of evidence it will
be embedded in the joint
investigation team which is
supported by our agency Euro
just we'll be there which is
your which is the new EU police
force. Come on people. We'll be
ready to launch work very
rapidly with Euro just with
Ukraine with the partners of our
joint investigation team as well
as the Netherlands. Yes, the
perpetrator must be held
accountable. And through all
this, this is almost like a
Dutch or an EU Patriot Act.
You're gonna get police secret
police. You now because you
accrue for crimes of aggression.
They come after anybody. It's
also obvious
John C Dvorak: My mother had
been working on this for a
while, for a long time. Yeah,
didn't know the health rules are
gonna get where they could shoot
you if you refuse to get a
vaccination or Cindy was some
law that
Adam Curry: passed. No, no, no,
it was it's in the protocols of
the Lisbon Treaty. And it's two
separate things. One as you can
be arrested if you have a
communicable disease anywhere in
the EU, and the second if you
are running away from law
enforcement and they shoot you
in the back, it's legal to legal
kill.
John C Dvorak: All right, that
was it. Yes. Running. That's not
good. I
Adam Curry: got a note from one
of our producers about some of
the influx of Ukrainian
refugees. Our producer lives in
Croatia. Ukrainians increased
rental prices in Zagreb, to
about twice to what they were.
Here's how it works. They post
an ad on Facebook, quote, woman
with two kids looking for an
apartment in Zagreb two bedrooms
800 euros. Next day, all two
bedroom apartments are 800 euros
and more, which is about the
amount of money that the state
is giving to these refugees. 800
euros. So now, the rent is
doubled everywhere because of
this, of what how this has been
handled. He says Tinder was also
flooded, which I'm not quite
sure what he meant by that. But
he said Tinder is also flooded,
I
John C Dvorak: guess, Tinder? I
guess Ukrainian women what he
expected that was exactly
Adam Curry: I think that's what
he's
John C Dvorak: what he's
alluding to. That's what he's
implying. But it is when said
no.
Adam Curry: This is this is a
disaster. It's a disaster.
John C Dvorak: Well, it's kind
of on the same line of thinking.
Let's play this clip. This is
from NHK. to This is Russia,
China. Becoming pals
Unknown: diplomatic movements
are heating up ahead of the
first anniversary of Russia's
invasion of Ukraine. Russian
President Vladimir Putin held
talks was this Ben
Adam Curry: Shapiro's side gig
side hustle this is great, this
is Shapiro. Slow down. No.
John C Dvorak: You I'm I'm gonna
have to listen with me. I know
who this guy is. And I've seen
him thinking of anybody else but
now what you mentioned is
possible he's close your
Adam Curry: eyes, close your
eyes and hear Ben Shapiro
Unknown: diplomatic movements
are heating up ahead of the
first anniversary of Russia's
invasion of Ukraine. Russian
President Vladimir Putin talks
Wednesday with China's top
diplomat Wang Yi. Russian
Chinese
relations are developing just as
we planned in previous years.
Everything is moving forward
developing as we are reaching
new milestones listed below
luxury. Mr.
Putin said he expects trade
between their countries to reach
$200 billion by 2024. He also
said he's waiting for Chinese
President Xi Jinping to visit
Moscow for a summit as planned,
Wang replied, relations between
their nations are mature,
resilient and stable.
Adam Curry: We would like to
emphasize once again that the
comprehensive strategic
partnership between Russia and
China has never been directed
against a third party, and is
certainly not subjected to
interference and provocation by
any third party. So what does
this all mean?
John C Dvorak: Well, I'm, you
know, I was thinking about this.
Russia and China have been
butting up against each other.
So forever. Yeah. The Russia
attack by them. They share a
huge border, and the Russians
were attacked by the Mongols
back in the day and they've
always had you there's always
been these disputes, and there's
always been the fear and during
the Nixon Kissinger thing where
they reopened China, thank you
for that. There was always this
fear that their comment that
Adam Curry: you got a cheap mic
because of that. Okay, so be
thankful
John C Dvorak: that this is the
American mic the PR 40s
Adam Curry: Do you have I do
have I have a cheap Chinese
cradle.
John C Dvorak: I do have a cheap
Chinese cradle and it works
great. Okay. And you should be
thankful too, because you don't
hear me banging into thing. Oh,
you said
Adam Curry: thanks for that. Oh,
you miss it. You're sincere. I'm
sorry. I got it.
John C Dvorak: And so yes, was
sincere. It's a nice product.
And it's cheap, very cheap. It's
like everything else. It'll
break break. Best Price. Now
it'll break. Brom is like all
this stuff, it'll break. So. So
when when Nixon and Kissinger
put this thing together, they
were there was this fear that
because of the common to the
commonality of communism, that
Russia and China would join up
forces and it'd be the dominant
factor in the world. But if
their history goes back, if
these guys were ever going to
get along, they would have got
along by now, China and Russia.
There's something about those
two cultures. It's just obvious
that they don't really you know,
do that People don't like
different kinds of people for
whatever reason. But these two,
they don't like each other at
some base level. And yeah,
they'll trade and you can run a
train through the country of
your want. And you know, but
there's something wrong with
that relationship. And Russia
really is wants to be more
European, but we will let them
Adam Curry: know. We know,
because how handy is this right
now? We you and by the way, I
was just gonna say we use Russia
to get the green, the Green
Deal. That's what it's called on
Europe, to push the hydrogen
economy to make oil, isn't there
totally. They are the perfect
foil. And I am amazed quite
frankly, considering the
international terrorism and
terrorist act of sabotage, on
their pipelines at the restraint
Russia has shown.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, they had to
know what happened.
Adam Curry: Well, they're now
they've now called the UN
Security Committee, and said,
Hey, we want an investigation.
Council Council. Thank you. We
want an investigation on this.
We want to know what happened.
Good luck with that?
John C Dvorak: Yeah. Well, I
gotta go. But at least making a
fuss. Yeah. But yeah, the
Russians in the show. So I think
that we've already planned for
the fact that the Russians and
the Chinese we must do our top
guys have to know this, that the
Russians and the Chinese aren't?
Yeah, they'll give you the
Chinese don't even want to give
them bullets. I mean, they'll
give you we heard that we're
getting some armaments and
bullets from North Korea. Yeah.
Russians. Yeah. Oh, and
Adam Curry: I think that's
probably part of the game is,
hey, tell Kim Jong on to shoot
some shit over there. Yeah, it
could be, of course. Of course,
what else? All of a sudden this
happened. It was interesting.
Megyn Kelly. Because Tina
listens to Megyn. Kelly, she
said, you know, she's a woman on
who's from North Korea. And he
was horrible, you know, with her
story. And she was trafficked to
China. And I said, you know,
this may I'll be done when
you're when this happened, like
15 years ago, when she was 12,
or whatever. I said, the story
may be true. In fact, a lot of
it's likely very true. But the
reason that it's be pushed now
is all of his reasons for this.
This you know, she has a book
out Okay, so why all of a sudden
is a book about you know, the
horrible life in North Korea
coming out? Isn't that directly
related to China bad? I mean,
isn't this all part of this
information war that's taking
place,
John C Dvorak: which brings me
to a slew of clips Hey, now
Adam Curry: I set you up
perfectly.
John C Dvorak: Let's listen to
these clips. This is Japan and
China. This is by the way what's
going on in Asia which nobody's
paying any attention to over
here but there's all kinds of
action. In fact, I got a I put
together a VPN lash app so I
could get T V New Zealand VPN
Adam Curry: lash up is this like
a Rube Goldberg machine? You go
from one VPN through a second
one? Well,
John C Dvorak: I'm when I tried
to get to New Zealand TV they
would they real strict about who
can look at their television. So
I then worked my way in and had
a real bad VPN lashup. They had
a real bad storm
Adam Curry: there.
John C Dvorak: Yes, that that
was a Gabriel if I had to have a
clip on that if you wanted to
skip around. But no, let's play
this. Japan and China News one
Unknown: top officials from
Japan and China say their
countries need to work together
to tackle some difficult issues.
These were the first security
talks in four years and came
amid growing tensions over
Taiwan and accusations of
espionage. The Senior Foreign
Affairs and Defense officials
showed signs of disagreement
locking horns on several key
issues. Yamaga Shigeo broached
the topic of spy balloons. The
Senior Deputy Minister for
Foreign Affairs says Japan
strongly suspect China flew them
within its airspace. China shone
the spotlight on Japan's recent
moves to boost defensive
capabilities which Beijing casts
as a military buildup.
To be honest, China has serious
concerns over Japan's release of
its new defence and security
documents. It's collusion with
foreign forces and the negative
moves such as its involvement in
the Taiwan issue, you don't have
your general question.
Still the to agree on the need
to keep an open dialogue to
avoid any unintended escalation
and decided to create a new
hotline new coalition or neither
is
Adam Curry: common understanding
between the two countries
leaders of the need to build
constructive and stable Japan
China relations. You could have
labeled this this section of the
show was hot Asian action.
John C Dvorak: Japan and China
in part two,
Unknown: China's Vice Minister
also met with Japanese Foreign
Minister a high se Yoshimasa
during his visit to Tokyo, I
actually likewise emphasize the
need to allow both sides to air
concerns and work through
disputes That trip was also an
opportunity for China to remind
Tokyo of its importance as Japan
moves to strengthen ties with
Beijing's rival the United
States. No.
John C Dvorak: Oh well United
States now we have this clip
which is a way say is Beijing
Adam Curry: villa. Bae Jin is my
Beijing is Belgian. We all know
this.
John C Dvorak: Beijing. Yeah.
They gotta get together over
there.
Adam Curry: Yes, the
Philippines. That's that's kind
of a problem that we've, we've
moved in there. I would presume
that Well, here
Unknown: we go. The United
States has reaffirmed its
commitment to the defense of the
Philippines. It follows a flare
up of tensions in the South
China Sea after Manila accused
the Chinese ship of pointing a
laser at one of its ships.
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin
spoke with his Philippine
counterpart. Carlito Galvez by
phone
Adam Curry: was it a laser
pointer like one of those deals,
John C Dvorak: or some sort of a
weapon like um, directed energy
Adam Curry: weapon from space.
Unknown: Austin said attack and
attack on a Philippine vessel
anywhere in the South China Sea
would invoke the US mutual
defense commitment under a
treaty between their countries
so the Philippine Coast Guard
says a Chinese government ship
directed a military grade laser
at its patrol vessel earlier
this month. Near the Spratly
Islands. Beijing claims the ship
did not direct lasers at the
crew or cause any damage. It
says the Chinese ship was
compelled to respond because the
Philippine vessel entered
Chinese waters without
permission. Austin agreed with
Galvez The incident took place
inside the Philippine exclusive
economic zone. They discussed
joint patrols in the South China
Sea and further cooperation with
like minded nations like Japan
that want to free and open Indo
Pacific Manila aims to expanded
security cooperation with other
countries as well. It's melting
joint patrols with Australia in
the South China Sea.
Adam Curry: I get a real strong
Gulf of Tonkin vibe from what's
going on here.
John C Dvorak: There's something
going on it's it gets active and
it's real active and listen to
your I'll just play two more
clips. Does USA Taiwan meetings
Unknown: now senior officials
from Taiwan this guy is working
on my nerves though.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, okay. We're
gonna go leave him. Go to
someone worse.
Adam Curry: Let's play him
first. It's only 50 seconds I
can handle it. Now.
Unknown: Senior officials from
Taiwan have made a rare visit to
the US Capitol Region.
Apparently the latest in a
series of US Capitol
Adam Curry: Region,
John C Dvorak: Washington,
Virginia, Washington DC
Unknown: or dramatic exchanges.
These sorts of talks have
frustrated Beijing at a time
when it's Washington relations
remain fraught here are Taiwan's
Foreign Minister Joseph Wu and
National Security Council
Secretary General Wellington who
is entering the Virginia office
of the American Institute in
Taiwan. Around the same time, US
Deputy Secretary of State Wendy
Sherman and other senior
officials were spotted. Taiwan
media say for about seven hours,
the officials discussed
diplomacy and security. It comes
days after sources told us
media, the Pentagon's top China
official went to Taiwan, the US
and Taiwan have not had formal
diplomatic ties for decades, and
neither has confirmed any
official meetings.
Adam Curry: No one I appreciate.
This was
John C Dvorak: not a meeting.
Adam Curry: No but what I
appreciate about NHK and they
may also be based in Washington
DC for all I know
John C Dvorak: that we may be
but these reports are out of
Japan.
Adam Curry: I mean, when you
listen to Deutsche Avella and
France 24 It's like you got
Brits on on France. 24. You got
Americans on Deutsche Avella
like I want to hear Deutsche
accents on Deutsche Avella and
France Oksana on France 24 and
TRT I want to hear some turkey a
accents
John C Dvorak: I know what you
mean exactly noise me it's like
are you all see France 24 where
they pride themselves at
bringing in British accented
spooks good English speakers.
Yeah, spooks.
Adam Curry: It's gotta be spooks
Oh, it's
John C Dvorak: totally suppose
Well, this isn't a this this is
the last China thing. Now this
is a baffling clip because I
can't understand a word they say
because this is one of my clips
from New Zealand TV NZ channel
one and it's like about the
Chinese and all this island
hopping they're trying to take
over a bunch of islands and this
is like on destroyed it's hard
to tell. 60 Minutes Australia
has probably done the best job
of revealing much of what's
going on there. We don't even
know it. We're just I don't know
what brain the dark. Dark we're
in the dark. So what am I
playing here baffling clip. Top
Unknown: members of the Pacific
Islands Forum are meeting in
Fiji this week for a much needed
special retreat. Tensions are
running high as security in the
region becomes more fragile with
a number of nations including
cannabis forming close relations
with China get about says return
to the forum table this year
bringing renewed hope leaders
will be able to patch up their
differences.
It was also have sorted out and
Kitty bus has come back to this
meeting. So this meeting is to
really make sure that Katie bus
does stay within the forum
family for security reasons. And
as well as they really need to
be at the table when discussing
big regional issues.
Climate change will also be high
on the agenda with meaning
Pacific countries already
experiencing destruction due to
extreme weather events.
John C Dvorak: Hmm. Yeah, events
very odd. Yeah, they're really
good. I'm telling you. I'm going
to try to get some more clips
from this New Zealand operation
because their accent is hard to
hear. Yes, I would say they have
a lot of idiosyncratic ways of
British Australians or you know
the shrimp on the barbie you can
kind of follow what they have to
say but these New Zealanders and
they do call themselves kiwis.
Yeah. are very difficult to
understand.
Adam Curry: I did okay there
until they pulled the rug and
took me to climate change. They
jumped in. Did you see this?
This is one of those baffling
things just going back to China.
The Aerospace intelligence space
Twitter account space OS int
whatever that is. The post a
selfie of one of our of the you
to dragon lady pilot? I don't
know if that means the YouTube
is titled The dragon lady and
it's the pilot or if the lady if
the pilot is a dragon lady, I
don't know. circling above the
Chinese spy balloon?
John C Dvorak: Yes. The NHK
website has a lot of photos of
it very
Adam Curry: confusing, very
confusing to me. I mean, first
of all, why are you shooting a
selfie on your phone when you're
you're actually in a high tech
sophisticated surveillance
aircraft that has the best
cameras? Why? How insulting to
give us a selfie.
John C Dvorak: And I want to ask
some of our experts out there.
Why are we still flying the u
two? And where it would I
thought this SR 70 was was
benched
Adam Curry: the XR 71 or
whatever it was?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, this is 70.
I think it is 70. And but the
you choose an old pre dated
plane. That's a plane from this
50s I think but it's a high
altitude plane. I think it's
still in service. But why is it
still in the service? And then I
understand there's a third plane
that nobody's talking about.
That's really the plane they're
flying, which is some?
Adam Curry: So this was 70,000
feet and this balloon was at
60,000 feet? Yeah. Very
interesting.
John C Dvorak: Sounds right.
Adam Curry: None of it sounds
right to me. I'll be on. I
John C Dvorak: mean, the numbers
sound right.
Adam Curry: But you know, when
you listen to these clips, when
you look at the whole world of
selfies and tweets, and I mean,
aren't we just live
John C Dvorak: itself? This?
Something's wrong with that?
Adam Curry: Aren't we just
living in the matrix already? I
mean, you could just believe
whatever you want to believe,
because you'll find something
that's true for you. Yeah. I
don't know what Zuckerberg is
building. We don't need the
glasses mark. It's already okay.
Like Project Veritas. I want to
talk about Project Veritas for a
moment.
John C Dvorak: I have nothing on
this. Well, I don't have some
thoughts. And I've gotten
letters and yes, well, also, but
Adam Curry: so we saw the I
think everyone saw the James
O'Keefe video, which was done on
Monday, Presidents Day. So no
one's at the office, except
they're worse than people at the
office. And he was gathering his
things. And from there on out,
it was like, okay, he has he has
resigned. And then there's all
kinds of document and the board
comes out with a with a memo
saying that he was cruel to
employees and that, you know,
there's a question of, of
misappropriating donor funds
717 $1,000 for charter jet, was
this a 3030 minute flight? What
kind of charter jet can you get
for 30 $17,000? You're not going
very far. He's
John C Dvorak: shared. I'm
sorry. Shared.
Adam Curry: No, no, this just
you're not getting very far for
that kind
John C Dvorak: of money. No, but
if his share with 10 other
people.
Adam Curry: Now then he paid
then he overpaid. You know,
$150,000 in, in black cars,
which I presume is Uber X or
something. And the whole thing
was just really like,
everything's very, very weird.
And I've done a dive into some
things including their 2021 form
990 filing, which, and 2020 and
2019. And I've learned a few
things and there's there's some
things coming out and maybe we
can make some sense of what's
happening. If First of all, I
wanted to mention that James
O'Keefe says several times in
his video that nothing had
changed with the Way Project
Veritas was doing business until
they did the big Pfizer
takedown, which now, let's just
stop for a second. We have
watched Veritas Project Veritas
and what they've done since
really since the days of acorn,
which is, you know, when it was
really just O'Keefe, you know,
get an undercover video himself
during Obama's days. Yep. And I
would say we have used very
little of their material because
it was patently unusable for
audios above and we were
actually quite happy when we
could assist and help them get
their audio cleaned up. We
suggested a couple people that
could use and
John C Dvorak: once we stepped
into the picture, all hell broke
loose zactly for them to do his
Pfizer know,
Adam Curry: once John, I started
helping to advise the executive
director all went to business,
he went to shoot Corinne Devora
consulting group broke it now.
So the first thing is, we have
to go back to our, our own
producer, our Baron I believe,
who became the Executive
Director of Vera toss just six
weeks ago, maybe, by itself
interesting that that happened.
And he's an ex Wall Street guy,
but hadn't been on Wall Street
for several years, from what I
understand. He's
John C Dvorak: being excoriated
on you know, agenda social by by
five or six people.
Adam Curry: And I think rightly
so. Because no, no, well, no,
because his note was very clear.
The board loves James, it's
gonna be okay. He's not been
fired. And then, you know, James
O'Keefe, again, I see people who
I love and respect. going off
the deep end, maybe they listen
to James O'Keefe in two times
speed saying, oh, Keith brought
the receipts not he actually
didn't bring any receipts. He
just told us what he what he
believed was going on and what
he felt and his side of the
story. So I did follow a receive
a follow up email this morning
from our our producer, who was
the executive director of both
of the nonprofits. And I'm going
to share with him with you what
he wrote, because we've been
sharing all of his stuff. So I
personally didn't say don't
share this. And we're going to
get more IgM I've been on the
phone nonstop. Outside of some
he had a family tragedy on
Monday, which very sorry for he
says, That was the worst day of
my life. I'll try to get you a
better update for Sunday, my
brain is mush. Our journalists
and the rest of the team are
dedicated to getting stories
while the board and James work
things out again, he's not
fired, not ousted, not removed,
did not resign. Many of the
things that were said in that
video are not true. I was not
there as it was a Holiday Inn HQ
was closed. So I worked from my
home office, I kind of wish I
could have been there because I
could have interjected the truth
a few times more to come. Okay,
so he is doubling down on what
he told us. That's an
interesting development as far
as I'm concerned. So here's what
I've
John C Dvorak: learned
definitely extends the story. It
does.
Adam Curry: So I've looked
through all the leaked memos,
and you know, and all the
different things and read
everything the board had to say.
But it was really the 990 that
interested me the most. And I'd
become quite an expert at
reading form 990s. Throughout
the course of 15 years or more
doing the show, I learned a lot
about it from the keeper who
used to work exclusively in the
nonprofit arena as the chief
communications officer. So she
understands a lot of how this
works and how it functions. And
the 990s you can glean a lot
mainly, the top line thing is
interesting is how much money
did they bring in? And what did
it go towards? These are the
things that are always
interesting. And of course, one
of the reasons? Well, when you
have a nonprofit, you have a lot
of reporting responsibility, you
have to stay within certain
guidelines legally to remain a
tax exempt nonprofit. So there's
unless someone's really faking
numbers and lying that I'm going
to take this as true because it
was filed with the IRS and more
on the IRS in a moment. So what
is very interesting is James
O'Keefe talks about specifically
that plane trip which the board
or according to the board
letter, which and our executive
director is not a member of the
board that's very important
understand there are there were
three board members on the the
five OC three and I think two on
the on the C four. But the end,
O'Keefe being one of the three
board members of the IOC three
so it's really two people
there's just one guy who may
have been early donor big petrol
guy, and then Matthew tear mand
whose LinkedIn is like Ministry
of Silly Walks you know, so this
this guy is suspect to me. I'm
not quite Sure, I mean, you can
delve deep into his history, but
whatever's going on, they
accused O'Keefe, of using the
plane to fix his boat. And
O'Keefe said very clearly, I had
three donor meetings in three
different cities in one day, I'm
going to believe that because
when you're raising $20 million
a year for Project Veritas, as
he said, I'm on the road 300
days a year raising money to
keep you guys paid. He said that
in his video. Looking at all the
projects that Veritas has done,
and we've we've followed most of
them, I would say, 90%. Now,
even some of the COVID stuff was
all politically oriented. It
was, you know, it, certainly it
would it would be a wealthy
right wing, conservative donor
who would appreciate the work
that Veritas does, because it
makes the left usually left
leaning media left leaning
politicians look stupid, and
exposes them for what they're
doing go all the way back to
ACORN, which was a valid hit on
President Obama. So when you're
doing this, you're raising
money, not just from people and
a lot of people's I may have
supported Project Veritas at one
time, like, here's 20 bucks.
Yeah, great. Good job. I love
that you're doing this. But to
see a spike in 2020 10%, more,
almost $23 million, a lot of
money to raise. So yeah, if
you're James O'Keefe, you're
running around, you're doing
meetings, you're getting money.
It's it's a lot of $100,000
checks a lot. And I think we're
learning looking at alternative
media in general. As we've
learned from the blaze, we look
at the Crowder and daily, you
know, what's his face daily
wire, Shapiro connection, big
money there, you know, what
Crowder would call big
conservative, there's a lot of
money and a lot of influence.
And I think we're starting to
understand that a lot of this
was being used, really,
ultimately for political gain.
And when you do something that
goes outside of that, and you
expose, in a very, I mean, it
was a bad look for Pfizer. It
was of course, I think handled
properly. And this is probably
part of it. To suppress that
story. You're stepping on big
toes, and Pfizer, Big Pharma,
probably one of the most
powerful the organizations in
the world.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I get
compared to acorn. Yes.
Adam Curry: Exactly. And, and
you may have stepped on some
donors toes, and at a certain
point, the donors are driving
the train, as Tina would say. So
that shit had to stop. And the,
and the way to decide to do it
is to blow up Project Veritas.
And I think this one board
member may have something to do
with it. And just in this this
morning, it appears that the IRS
mine had been harassing board
members with some threats of God
knows what. And that could have
also played right into, you
know, a weak board member that
might be this Matthew Terman.
guy who, who then says, oh, we
gotta we gotta get rid of
O'Keefe. We gotta we gotta blame
it all on him. We want to
continue because it is a good
business. I mean, it seems like
they weren't out of money and
bringing 20 million plus in now.
Now the reason why good business
the reason why it's a very
difficult business is a O'Keefe
is now a known figure, so he
can't do undercover stuff
himself. So he has to get people
to do this. And a lot of people
don't want to do honey pot, you
know, it's it's tough. And
especially if it's a media
business, it's it's a covert
media business. So you know,
people are going to be Curt and
short with you in the production
arena. This is just what it is.
It's no different from
television or, you know, I'll
bet NBC to you know, what is it
To Catch A Predator? A bit
there's a lot of crap going on
with that crew as well.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, well, it
shows off.
Adam Curry: But you know what I
mean, it's and there's also a
lot of noodle boys and noodle
girls these days. So this whole
memo about oh, he was mean, he
ate a pregnant lady sandwich,
whatever he did, okay. However,
here's the problem. This blow up
is such a magnitude that the
whole world is on O'Keefe side.
Everyone sees that O'Keefe is
being railroaded regardless of
how it worked internally. That's
what they're seeing. And I can't
fault anyone for it and I don't
even think O'Keefe is at fault
this. This is just how it goes.
The problem is to get to get an
organization for O'Keefe to get
an organ like organization like
this back up and running. Do you
know what they spend in legal
fees? Almost five $5 million a
year. Because you need that you
need that type of legal
assistance when you're doing
this kind of stuff. And I think
that, you know, the the Pfizer
thing, for whatever reason, that
was that was the someone stepped
over the line. And the whole
thing had to be blown up. And I
wonder if it's possible to put
those pieces back together
again. What are your thoughts?
John C Dvorak: I like that
analysis. I've always been
suspicious there even though
they all in denial about the
Pfizer thing. But they don't
know what's going on. You're
right about behind the scenes in
the IRS is political. When
Democrats are in power, and I
think it is probably so when it
when the Republicans are in two,
but the Democrat political
machine gets involved with the
IRS. And they have the head of
the IRS was appointed, I think,
by the President and then
approved by a rubber stamp
policy. That's why I shouldn't
use the word approved when I
should say rubber stamped by the
Congress or Senate. And, and
they are political. They was
shown by the during the Obama
administration when this Lois
Lerner you clearly violated all
the edicts that she was, you
know, gonna have to follow and
she didn't never did, and she
never got in trouble for it,
which is makes it even easier
for the next guy to come along,
say, look, what do lawyers dead?
You're not even getting close to
that. And so yes, and I believe
this, I think, the thesis that
the IRS is putting pressure via
the Biden administration, or via
Pfizer. Yeah. And here's the
Pfizer has got a lot of
important people that are on its
board. He's got a lot of
investors that expect to make
money. Oh, yeah. And they put
little pressure this way or that
way. And yeah, it wouldn't take
much to get somebody to fold
into or to get panicky. And
Adam Curry: what I think the
mistake that was made, which, to
me is just I don't understand
why did Project Veritas ever
decide to be a nonprofit. This
is baffling to me. Is that oh,
John C Dvorak: that's a great
point.
Adam Curry: I mean, there are a
lot of people have said to us,
why don't you do a nonprofit?
Because that's the quickest way
for the government to shut us
down. That's literally our
answer. But
John C Dvorak: the reason the
reason we decided initially is
because when we had JC in our
back office, yeah, he did a lot
of research on he got us all
kinds of research on this and
that. And he found a study that
showed that nonprofits in our
space space who left well, our
space, I said that words back in
nonprofits doing what we do get
less donations.
Adam Curry: Of course, that
would be our Hey, man, we're
gonna get less money if we do a
nonprofit, bad idea.
John C Dvorak: That was the real
rationale. It turns out and I
was thinking about this every
once in a while when I see AMY
GOODMAN or somebody going on and
on about there being a
nonprofit, I'm thinking, well,
they obviously don't have to
make money thus they do the
nonprofit. And it's like we'll
do something about it turns you
off, insofar as donating as
opposed to guys like us, we're
not we're for profit, but we pay
the IRS we pay our taxes we do.
We do. And it just seems to at
least get some sympathy to the
to the donor donating class. So
yeah, those poor guys, you know,
they gotta pay taxes like
everybody else, even though you
also have to pay tax like
anybody else if you're a
nonprofit, but to being a
nonprofit is a bad idea.
Adam Curry: And one of the
things that
John C Dvorak: let me take that
back. So we do complete thought
out, it's a bad idea unless you
have one huge or two monstrous
donors that need you to be in a
nonprofit status so they can
take it off their taxes, but
you're gonna get a ton of money
from those two guys. Or not.
Anyway, we can't do that.
Adam Curry: No. And this is why
we chose or we developed really
the value for value model is you
know, people can get pissed off
but you know, 510 people it'll
hurt but it's not going to end
us you know, we don't have a
single source we don't have a
single sugar daddy, who's out
there you know, like some Texas
oil guys, Jews for Jesus guys.
That's that's us funding funds
daily wire. The Blaze is very,
very opaque as to how that
actually works on their money
there. I'm just seeing a lot of
political money running
throughout the so called
Alternative Media and I'm think
we're starting to see kind of
where the problems are. And I
was I was doing a calculation we
now know that new were about
850,000 people listen to an
episode of The no agenda show.
And that's and that's a real
number for the one episode,
which is pretty good. You know,
we could do one spot, that 25
CPM. And that's all we'd have to
do. per episode, yeah, one one
ad at that at that CPM. And
that's all we'd have to do. But
I couldn't live with myself and
we would not be able to do this.
John C Dvorak: You could live
with yourself, but you couldn't
live with the ramifications.
Adam Curry: Correct. And now,
for years, we have in a way been
compared to NPR with their with
their model of listener produced
radio, podcast media. And NPR
has always it's always been
baffling to us how they receive
a little bit of money now, I
think it's maybe 3%. But they're
always they have listener
donation drives and they know
you can get a coffee mug or a
tote bag. Right? But there's not
supposed to be advertising
although we have heard in the
past, you know, donor was it
sponsorships, donor,
underwriting, underwriting,
John C Dvorak: whatever you want
to call it, advertising,
whatever you want to call it,
Adam Curry: you know, we should
probably I should probably play
that find that clip. Yeah, we
have it of course. Here we go.
This is important to hear this
is from how long ago did we have
this clip per 2012
Unknown: Rich Rodriguez recently
fired. Oops, that's
Adam Curry: not the one. Here we
go. No, that's not Oh, it was
uh, who was it? Ah, sponsor it
was that
John C Dvorak: woman, that
woman, that woman who has been
around she's still floating
around to us. So she's a very,
very talented manager. CEO type
it to his running and PR this
just the other day, didn't we?
Yeah, he just played like two
three shows ago.
Adam Curry: It was like, call it
advertise you were everywhere we
go. I got here's the one
Unknown: Okay, moving on to
money. How are NPR is corporate
underwriting revenues holding up
in the recession or Bernie
Madoff foundation grants
foundation?
Two different stories.
Underwriting is underwriting is
is down it's down for everybody.
I mean, this is this is this is
the area that is most down for
us is is in is in sponsorship,
underwriting advertising, call
it whatever you want. So we
Adam Curry: of course Clary
John C Dvorak: wallet, what area
was it? Can we
Adam Curry: call it advertising?
Is it advertising? Is it
sponsorships? Is it
underwriting? Well today? 10
years later, we find out the
truth. Sadly, NPR is going
through a downturn like
everybody else, except last
time, like 10 years ago, except
the story has changed just
Unknown: a little bit. And now
of course, some news about NPR
itself. And
Adam Curry: this is going to
report on ourselves because we
have so much journalistic
integrity.
Unknown: And now of course some
news about NPR itself. NPR
announced a major restructuring
today and revealed it's about to
lay off about 10% of the
workforce. Our CEO John Lansing
cited a drop of $30 million in
projected advertising revenues.
And PR media correspondent Dave
What?
Adam Curry: advertising revenue,
facade 30% Drop What's the
30% 30 million 30 million and 80
million advertising revenues?
That's a lot of advertising that
you're supposed to not be doing.
Or bulbs find out as they report
on themselves force.
Unknown: Our CEO John Lansing
cited a drop of $30 million in
projected advertising revenues.
And PR media correspondent David
Folkenflik joins me and David
it's always Folkenflik pleasure
to talk to you. But this is a
tough day as you know,
Adam Curry: a tough day that
that that that breathing in. You
know what that microphone you
have we're taking that we're
taking that as part of your
downsizing. We're taking away
all your Neumann stem here.
Yeah, look,
John C Dvorak: yeah, look,
Unknown: it's it's a real loss.
As John Lansing said, in a memo
to staff I've been here over 18
years. It's the toughest cuts
I've seen, it's probably the
toughest since the early 80s.
What we know is not a lot except
about the extent of it. And what
John Lansing said to me was that
it would not be uniform across
he wasn't just going to take a
hatchet and do the same across
all divisions he went home
Adam Curry: 30 million is only
10% How much of these guys
making an advertising? I mean,
Unknown: strategic and
thoughtful about how it's done.
But you know this is necessary.
only going to be us doing not
only less with less, but
reconfiguring how we do it. He
said that this is going to be
really the focus of how NPR
restructures itself in a
significant way.
Now, what does that actually
mean when he wants to be
thoughtful? I think this will be
uniform across divisions. Can
you decipher what he's actually
envisioning?
We don't know. We don't have
that. But we do know is three
one div report on
Adam Curry: a deep dive reports
reporting on ourselves. NPR is
an in I'm just reading from the
website is an independent
nonprofit media organization
that was founded on a mission to
create a more informed public
every day, blah, blah, blah,
blah. 1000 stations through 1.6
million website visitors weekly
app users doesn't really say how
they're funded or finances on
strategic
Unknown: priorities he's placing
on it if you pack them together,
one of which is that he's talked
about NPR North Star. And that
is both as a sense of mission
and a sense of purpose. And
also, as a business proposition,
NPR has to deepen and broaden
its audience to you know, seek
younger and more diverse
audience base and that that's
the way in which he was building
for the future. And he said that
Adam Curry: wait a minute, they
have to seek younger and more
diverse audience base. This,
this is death. Only old people
listen to NPR or they're going
to jazz it up now. Like doo,
doo, HIPAA podcast podcasts. And
until they wonder that what
John C Dvorak: you said is true.
And well, let's roll it back.
And we have the demos on this.
To use it phrase,
Adam Curry: you caught me flat
footed when you called for the
demos on this, I wasn't ready
for it another
Unknown: one of which is that
he's talked about NPR North
Star. And that is that both as a
sense of mission and a sense of
purpose. And also as a business
proposition, NPR has to deepen
and broaden its audience to, you
know, seek younger and more
diverse audience base and that
that's the way in which he sees
building for the future. And he
said that since he arrived in
the fall of 2019, he's also
talked about unifying its
newsroom with its programming
side, the programming is where
so much growth is, particularly
in the podcasting division. But
these divisions in some ways are
artificial. A lot of our
colleagues doing journalism are
doing so under the rubric of
podcasting, but it's still
really part of a greater
journalistic function. And so
sure, so there's that. And he
says, you know, this was part of
a strategic element beyond where
he wants to integrate NPR more
fully with its stations
integrate both in terms of what
we do content wise, but in terms
of raising money and
distributing our content online.
Okay, so 10% of the workforce
that's going to add up to about
100 jobs. As we know, NPR is not
alone here. There are a whole
lot of media companies in a
budget crunch. How does this
news today from our newsroom fit
in with a broader picture of our
industry?
It's been a real crunch. You saw
hundreds of layoffs at CNN, they
killed their projected streaming
service costs, do they have
corporate underwriters and at
CNN again, and plus you saw 7%
cuts at Vox media 6%, at
Spotify, and Econet and you saw
these huge cuts these huge other
places that Google Mehta,
Amazon, Microsoft that also rely
on advertising dollars, it's one
of the first place corporate
executives cut when they fear
the economy going soft as they
have lately, even though the
unemployment rate remains very
low.
Is NPR media correspondent David
Folkenflik. And David, thank you
for reporting on NPR just as you
would any other media company,
Adam Curry: all right from the
website. A large portion of NPR
revenue comes from dues and fees
paid by our member stations and
underwriting from underwriting
from corporate sponsorships.
Other sources of revenue include
include institutional grants,
individual comp contributions
and fees paid by users of the
public radio satellite system.
So here's the breakdown. 37% of
their revenue comes from
corporate sponsorships, I
presume that's, you know,
brought to you by Pfizer. 32% is
from core and other programming
fees. Core and so I presume that
that they mean by that the
member stations and fees paid by
public radio satellite system
12% Is contributions of cash and
financial assets. That's the Jay
Rockefeller Foundation.
John C Dvorak: And he's sure
that's not the public.
Adam Curry: It wasn't a public
end and listeners like you
listeners like 7% is other
revenues. Is that the
advertising part? Maybe? Closer
to 10%? On Wait 5% Is the prss
satellite contracts? Okay, so
the 30 maybe three in the 32% is
core. Look, I don't I think
their charter specifically
forbids advertising. This
John C Dvorak: is what I don't
understand is true anymore.
Adam Curry: I guess not altered.
I think the Advertising is
probably only working on
podcast. That's where they can
use advertising from, I believe
previous research that we've
done.
John C Dvorak: Well, he's also
that guy also hinted that the
podcasts were different in such
a way that I think he hinted
that they do native ads on the
podcasts. Well, that
Adam Curry: no, he says that's
what they're going to do.
They're putting the programming
and all the departments
together. And then it's like,
well, you know, he's doing
podcasts, but they're really
doing core journalism. I think
it's falling apart because of
podcasting.
John C Dvorak: I, you know, you
didn't get there as fat you got
there a little bit frozen. I
mean, I've already thought that.
I'm totally convinced that's
what it is. And it harkens back
a little bit on the, on the
internet itself, and, and the
finances of how a newspaper
makes money, and how a online
newspaper makes money. Right. So
different, that you can't run
the New York Times, if it was
just online, you have to have
the hard copy stuff, just
expensive ads in the print
version. And you have to, I
mean, like PC Magazine, in his
heyday, the one page ads were
$50,000 Oh,
Adam Curry: man, that those days
are long gone. And we're talking
John C Dvorak: about hundreds of
pages of those ads. Twice a
month, it was glorious. It was
flying all over the place. But
yes, and no, the point is, is
that those days are over. And
the economics are different. And
the same thing with podcasting.
Except for the fact that we do
our we have our distribution to
our own system. If we were
paying pod bean. We damn near
broke magic. And if we're paying
10 producers, that wouldn't help
either, but no, but But you
pointed out in a thing you wrote
a long time ago, you said on
something a long time ago, you
said that people don't
understand that broadcasting and
podcasting have a different
basic element of finance, in so
far is that a broadcast in terms
of scalability, when a
broadcaster sends out a signal,
and he's got 10,000 listeners,
it's costing him no more or
less? Yes. And if he has 5000
listeners, or 2 million
listeners, right, because it's a
broadcast signal, and it's
broadcast, it goes everywhere,
and people pick it up where they
don't, with, with anything over
the internet, if you got 100
listeners, listen to your
podcast, the amount of bandwidth
it's going to cost you is not
the same. If you have a million
or 10 million, it's going to
cost you a lot of money. And
it's and it doesn't scale. In
that way. At scale. You can get
that many people but you're
gonna have to pay more for the
bandwidth because it costs money
to put stuff on the internet, it
doesn't so much with
broadcasting. And you totally
get that you won't realize that
podcasting is completely
different. Also, the
Adam Curry: there's a huge
difference in podcasting,
really, you and I and you helped
actually spend about $65 million
dollars worth of investors money
to find out that a single
podcast can be very successful
can run on its own. If you run
it lean and mean if you do most
of the work yourself. Use the
tools that are available. The
mini
John C Dvorak: def some skills.
Yeah, of course,
Adam Curry: you have to have
some skills. It's like you can't
just start a band, you know,
yeah, you can't just can't play
the guitar, you need to play be
able to play the guitar or do
something or you know, work some
electronics. The minute you
build that into a network, which
is always the mistake made it
myself. And you know, as I say
you cannot monetize the network.
That just does not work when
people know they can do things
on their own. They come from
their own their own system,
you'll never be able to make
everybody happy with the ads,
the distribution of ads, the
distribution of money, the
promotion, it just it becomes a
quagmire and this is the mistake
that Spotify made and I advise
them don't do this. This is not
the way to go. They of course
why would you listen to me? I
only only only blew 65 million
you know, they're they're close
to 650 million that they
probably more they blew on their
little experiment there. It just
doesn't work and now we have
this really bad downturn in
advertising. And it's it's so
bad that they're it's hitting
NPR which is not even supposed
to have advertising and that has
to be because the only money
that's really working I think is
on the podcast side because
that's where they can do the
ads. And and the the radio is
just too expensive. The days are
over when you had the A
narrowcast you had a couple of
channels and there's just too
much offering. There's too much
and and I bet
John C Dvorak: you overlooked a
lean and mean.
Adam Curry: So the No, that's
no, that's what I'm saying.
Broadcast is not is by
definition not lean and mean.
That generally, you know, that's
the guy unions. And now once a
union once you got into, you
know, Spotify, you got it. Yeah,
you know, and then the money was
flowing and it was an ESG check
mark for everybody's like, hey,
you know, we got to do something
for bipoc podcasters Do we have
any? No, but we'll go make some
and off run all the consultants
and they make bipoc podcast and
they get big companies to
sponsor them and they and they
you watch the the big
conferences like Podcast
Movement, and they're all gonna
go down the drain now because
the money is done. There's not
there's not a dream by now. No,
they were riding high on the on
the zero interest rate free
money. And now you see that even
though it's it's not great for
us, it's been better. We're
gonna survive this. You know, we
can tighten our belts. But when
you have to tighten the belt to
the whole organization, yeah, it
just doesn't work that way. And
then you got to kick people out.
Morale goes down. People start
stealing stuff. Pencils and
microphones and all kinds of
stuff starts turning up missing
people started having sex on the
CEOs desk out of spite. Now this
is not going to go well. So
let's take
John C Dvorak: a look Amanda
page of the NPR podcast page.
Yes. Now they have dozens and
dozens of parameters just to
name a few these tell me have
you ever heard of any of you
okay. Okay, we got up first to
say yes or no first No. Embedded
featuring white lies. No, no.
Here and now and anytime. Yeah,
here and now anytime I've heard
of this one. Yes. Oh, you have
planet money you have Yep. Life
kit. No wisdom from the top No.
Ultimate COPPA.
Adam Curry: Now that I'm
canceling that one right away.
John C Dvorak: code switch. Yes,
I've heard of that one. Really?
Well as well you keep up with
this little more Naidu thought
these I'd never heard of any of
these through line now. No, it's
been a minute No. rough
translation No. Book of the day.
No. Radio Ambulante on our watch
Adam Curry: on our what know
John C Dvorak: the limits
Adam Curry: how many podcasts
they have
John C Dvorak: no copyright we
go on? No compromise. No. Story
core. Troll room chime in if
Adam Curry: you've heard any of
these No.
John C Dvorak: Believed
Adam Curry: no proof.
John C Dvorak: This is bad.
Yeah, pop culture happy hour.
Adam Curry: No. We're canceling
that one to note we're canceling
that one. No, no, no, no no.
What's
John C Dvorak: good with stretch
and Bobbito? No. Bullseye only a
game? No. Invisibility
Adam Curry: Yes. Yes. I've heard
of this one. No, no, I guess
not.
John C Dvorak: Tiny Desk
Adam Curry: Tiny Desk that's
what everyone's getting now at
NPR. I have not heard of the
John C Dvorak: T No. Louder than
a riot.
Adam Curry: No. No
John C Dvorak: all songs
considered.
Adam Curry: That's that's a
that's a build out of All Things
Considered. I guess. Some of the
top we already mentioned from
the top. So there's another one
from the top. Oh, they're
doubling up.
John C Dvorak: Jazz Night in
America.
Adam Curry: Very popular jazz
mod. I want to do jobs Night in
America from NPR. Yeah, I want
mountain
John C Dvorak: stage with
someone Hey, can Zippy get a
show with those guys? It sounds
like a bonanza World Cafe. Okay,
I'm done. Once up and I left you
out
Adam Curry: of world bonanza.
No, I don't know any of you. But
I'd know I probably don't know
99% Of all podcasts of the
course. There's 4 million of
them. And when we had to
downgrade we had to do some chop
and drop. There's really 3.9
now. Yeah, well close enough.
Yeah. I would just say shopping
drop. Operation chop and drop.
John C Dvorak: Is this a little
too much inside baseball for
most of these people that listen
to our show? No, I buy it.
People enjoy seeing us entertain
I think people
Adam Curry: who listen to our
show or show enjoy the fact that
we don't have to have some sad
story. Well, looks like we're
gonna have to drop 50% of the
show, John. Sorry,
John C Dvorak: you can't go down
to an hour.
Adam Curry: Right? We got to do
less show now. Although your
your bandwidth story that has
changed a little bit, but
certainly not 15 years ago,
these days Cloudflare. And this,
we don't want to be dependent,
the Cloudflare has, has D
Platform podcast or some Yeah, I
think an actual podcast, that
they would not proxy it. That's
the whole point is that we have
producers, who've taken this
envoys zero, of course, has done
this, almost from day one, made
sure that we had our own
infrastructure own system. And
with very, it's very affordable
for us. It's not free, but it's
affordable.
John C Dvorak: That's free,
that's for sure. No,
Adam Curry: but But it's
reliable. And I thought being,
hey, you know, I have to I have
to say pod bean released their
new app. And they actually have
a couple podcasts and 2.0
features in there. So I feel bad
about about using pod Bean as a
as a as a bad example.
John C Dvorak: It's me, I'm
doing doing it. And it's not a
bad example. I think pod bean
does a pretty good job, except
that they charge a lot. And if
you're in there, you don't get
you know, there's no I mean,
what's the point? Why don't you
just do it yourself? Yeah,
people don't want to do it
themselves. They don't want to
look into it. I mean, it's
cheaper. If you can find it, you
know, you could do it out of
your home, you could do it from
your own server. If you could
get a deal with your whoever's
doing your training for the
internet. I think
Adam Curry: the the point that
we've made in podcasting, and we
should move on to something
else, is that value for value
works. And this means that you
don't have to have 850,000
people, you just need, if you
can get 100 people who will
support you regularly, you win,
if they'll support you at the
level that they get out of the
value that get out of what
you're doing. And that and
that's where that should really
be the only reason for
existence. People still have
this broadcast mentality. We saw
the same thing with blogs. Yeah,
I got a blog. I'm gonna be
millionaire like Andrew, what's
his name? Sullivan.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, Andrew
Sullivan, who dropped the ball.
You did? Now, he just couldn't
figure out why he did that. But
Adam Curry: just because you
can. Podcast doesn't mean that
it should be worth anything. If
it is, it'll come back to you.
And as we've learned, the more
listeners you get, the less the
participation rate in the
donations. Which Someone asked,
someone asked me, Hey, I heard
you guys say you get like 4%,
which is high, but I think
you're right, two to 3% of those
people that listen, support us.
And the question was why? Why
can you answer that? Yeah.
John C Dvorak: That's just human
nature is the way it is with
everything. With your been
involved with direct marketing,
you know, immediately that
you're gonna get, you can do the
numbers and you can know how
much money you're going to make
an advance of something you're
going to try to sell.
Adam Curry: But we asked them
all the time, and they just they
hate us for some reason.
John C Dvorak: No, do you have
to ask them all the time,
because otherwise they'll forget
the audience. We always have to
remember the basics. And people
out there trying to do
podcasting should know this.
It's like, people, your podcast
isn't the most important thing
in anyone's life, except you
maybe and that might be true.
And so they're always forgetting
that you even exist. So you have
to say, Hey, I'm here. And you
know, we're looking for some
more donations. Oh, yeah. You
guys, so Alright, okay.
Otherwise, you're just going to
be forgotten.
Adam Curry: I wonder if people
who listen at high speed don't
donate?
John C Dvorak: Oh, I'm sure that
people listening in high speed
don't donate. I'm curious about
the fact once. Let's let's see.
Here's an example. We have our
friend a sheriff of Texas. Jean
Hmm. He stopped donating once he
started listening in high speed.
Have you noticed this
interesting,
Adam Curry: interesting
correlation. Hmm. It rots your
brain and it moves. It moves you
away from me. It makes you
greedy. It makes you greedy.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that was
you because the greed of trying
to cram in a three hour podcast
you know it two hours carries
Adam Curry: over to your whole
being.
John C Dvorak: It's a gestalt I
suppose it's a bad Gestalt. A
BG?
Adam Curry: there and you know
what, there's more under under
attack right now. This is my
favorite story of the moment
because the outcome of this
could change the internet
forever.
Unknown: This morning. The
killing of American college
student Naomi Gonzalez in the
2015 ISIS terror attacks in
Paris is a case before The
Supreme Court I've never done
something I could never imagine.
Her parents claim YouTube's
algorithms highlighted ISIS
produced materials and further
radicalized the extremists that
killed their daughter.
Hopefully by, by this, change
the laws and that'll be for the
good.
Oral arguments today will center
on section 230 of the
Communications Decency Act of
1996, which says internet
companies, including social
media platforms cannot be sued
over third party content
uploaded by users. But some
legal experts say social media
platforms are responsible for
their content,
they get to decide what to
carry, they get to decide what
not to carry. And they get to
decide how to design their
algorithms to amplify certain
types of content.
Another case being heard by the
High Court today is the case of
Anthony Nowak of Ohio arrested
in 2016. After making a phony
Police Facebook page with fake
announcements. He says it was
obviously a joke,
you click the page, it's very
obvious and even what you're
reading should strike you as
off.
Local police weren't laughing,
charging him with disruption of
law enforcement operations, a
jury found him not guilty. But
he wants the supreme court to
grant him the right to sue
police for violating his civil
rights.
They raided my house, they took
my electronics, they arrested me
my image was blasted all over
the news. I didn't do anything
wrong. So I don't want them to
think that's okay. Because I
kind of think they do.
Both these cases could have big
implications, one potentially
making social media platforms
more liable for their content,
the other could draw the line
between parity and public
safety.
Adam Curry: So this, of course,
is about power of over the
internet. That's the only thing
that this is about. No one
cares. Who got hurt by the
Internet. What do you think this
will land?
John C Dvorak: Well, this is
gonna be this is a big deal.
Yeah. And it was that is that
it's just it's going to be in
the Supreme Court's hands, and
they're going to have to deal
with it. We do notice that
Robert and Kevin are flip
flopping liberal to
conservative, curiously,
Kavanaugh, you think he'd be so
irked by the treatment?
Adam Curry: I thought Kavanaugh
was conservative.
John C Dvorak: He is but he's
flip flopping just like Roberts.
Oh, there's a recent case on
this recent kind of issue or in
general on all issues. He's
there was a recent case where he
did that was a clear
conservative values versus
liberal values, a traditional
liberal values, and he flipped
over. And it's it's I think the
Supreme Court is in pretty good
shape. And so far as honesty
about their positions. And they
do this, you know, you don't
know what's going to happen when
you get to when the guy gets in
there. And I think they're going
to have they're going to take a
good hard look at this. And
whatever they come up with is
going to be fascinating.
Adam Curry: I really hope they
destroy it all. I mean, I'm kind
of on your side. I do I want it
all to be destroyed. I want you
in case you off. I should
probably play this because this
is do we have it here? Yes, this
is as predicted
Unknown: as predict changes
coming to Instagram and Facebook
users will soon need to pay if
they want to become a verified
account. It's a move that
follows in Twitter's footsteps.
CEO Mark Zuckerberg says the new
subscription services aimed at
improving security for 1199 a
month, you'll get a blue
verified badge and direct access
to customer support. The program
rolls out this week in Australia
launching in the US a little bit
later this year.
Adam Curry: So two reasons. Two
reasons for this one,
financially verified is much
better than just verified. So
now we know where to go to get
you if you post some trolling
comment, and it'll be perfect
because we want to be your bank.
So now Elon Musk gets a little
competition from the meta boys
and girl right
John C Dvorak: off the bat. I
mean, you get this guy, so
they're not dummies, and they
see what he's up to. And they
wish you saw and I saw that what
he's up to.
Adam Curry: I hope they destroy
it all because we'll still have
our own protocols. We'll I mean,
anyone who has Gmail, you're
screwed. You might as well get
get another account somewhere,
because that's gonna be gone.
But everything else will still
be able to commit and podcast
will continue. It will probably
be the only thing left on the
internet
John C Dvorak: to play or know
quite how to attack it.
Adam Curry: How can you it's
truly that they keep trying.
They keep trying to attack it
John C Dvorak: is probably more
I'd say slander action. Libel
action on podcasts. Yeah. Than
anywhere. Problem is is so
linear, and you're not that it's
impossible to track it down.
Adam Curry: Well, you know,
because they keep threatening
the DOJ, AI and machine learning
will be able to figure out hey,
we publish a transcript on every
single Show. So if you want to
know if we slandered you, you
can just read the transcript.
But now they're going to the law
enforcement of the internet, the
internet, police are going to
figure it all out. Yeah, we can
do. We can do that with machine
learning. No, you can't. It
doesn't work. None of it works.
And then the biggest thing is it
John C Dvorak: works is the
Adam Curry: worst part is
alright, you want to sue us? All
right. Good luck. What do you
all you can take my house, I
guess. You chop it up for
firewood? There's no money in
suing a little podcasters.
John C Dvorak: Debt. That's the
that is the problem. Yeah.
That's the one so why bother
even cares what they say? No, I
mean, we don't slander or libel
people. Because we actually know
the laws. Yeah. But there's
plenty of it going on. Yes. But
again, like you said, these
podcasts are set for realistic
came out of Barstool Sports or
something like that. They don't
have any money. Well, yeah,
we'll call her daddy or
something like that. But even if
she makes big dough, even Joe
Adam Curry: Rogan this I don't
think there's ever been a
slander lawsuit against Joe
Rogan. And there's some money to
be gotten there in that
interesting. Yeah. Maybe people
just don't care.
John C Dvorak: Well, you know if
they wanted this, and also,
there's all this, like, dozens
of podcasts I just ran through
and NPR is just basically
they're people just shooting
this shit and saying dumb stuff.
Sure. There's lawsuits there.
And then PRs got less than $300
million budget. That's plenty of
that's somewhat deep.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Mark
advertising, no less. Anyway,
the world's in trouble. It's all
burning. And I'd like to I'd
like to hear your side Hersha
clips before we take a break.
Oh, sure. Because I like what
her like which side versus right
Shy? Shy. Hirsch
John C Dvorak: was on of all
things. He's with a breed the
British guy, comedian, Russell
Brand.
Adam Curry: Oh, yes. I saw this.
That was rather interesting.
Well, I
John C Dvorak: thought it was
interesting from the perspective
that Russell Brand is a pretty
good interviewer with a guy like
Psy hearse because He disarmed
him by insulting him
Adam Curry: right off the bat.
It was very good. Right
John C Dvorak: off the bat.
Adam Curry: It was very good. I
agree about his hat. Right.
John C Dvorak: Well, those that
was psi insulting brand, are
mentioning the hat, which tipped
brand off that Oh, you want to
play that game? Right. Right.
Right. So they went back and
forth. And he really gave it to
psi. And he was cracking up. It
was good. Well, Sy
Adam Curry: Hersh has humor and
you have to have humorous as
Seymour Hersh, when you're being
called a liar. A Putin puppet?
Yeah. There was something else
that he did early on. It was
before it before the Russia
collusion that he also called
bullcrap. On they, Oh, it's
something with Obama, I think
wasn't something with Obama.
John C Dvorak: Well, he could
say he has a he's got a good he
handled it well, to the point
where he I know he did. Didn't
expect to do much on the show
and ended up talking and talking
and talking. I gotta go. But let
me tell you this. Yeah. So but
there's only two things I
thought were interesting one.
Well, there was two little
things up and it was about that
balloons. And this is sy hearse
on the Alaska balloon, that
balloon
Unknown: and indeed the shooting
down of the Balloon. Balloon is
going to tell you a little bit
about the balloons. Yeah.
I asked somebody about AI
friends and I said what what's
going on with the balloons? Of
course, they've been there
forever. Maybe you could argue
they could take photographs of
weather satellite could see much
better. But basically the last
way though the unnamed car like
with American press so full of
it. It turns out there's the
federal government has a
contract with with the
Meteorology Department or
whatever it is weather
department at the University of
Alaska in Fairbanks. And that is
one coal place. It's way up
there. Also, most of the classes
are underground. You go
underground. The classes I
spoken there I know about this
firsthand. And over the Arctic
Circle is the Arctic Circle is a
the everybody flies the polar
room from Europe, from Asia to
America. And there's no weather
station there. So the university
put has these little vehicles
that goes and reports. Pilots
want to know if there's any
unusual weather going on. That's
what you have to do. And they
are reporters of that, that that
information. And that's what was
shot down. One of those things
was shot down was one of those
units that is sent up by a
university under but paid by the
government.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I didn't know
that. That was pretty
interesting. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: I thought that
was good too. But then he has a
real screwball story about the F
22. And as shooting down to
balloon and this is I recorded
it and put this on here because
I thought it was funny,
Unknown: but a lot of money for
the was 22 and its first kill
was the first balloon that when
that one came over was
discovered over Montana and the
pilot and I'd like to think that
he knows exactly what he's doing
when he landed you know in World
War Two your guys and your
Spitfires and I said RP 50 ones
you took care of every
Messerschmitt you put a little
you painted on the side of decal
for the kills. We did the same
and in Asia when the RP RP 50
ones so the pilot of this f 22
Getting the first kill of this
plane painted a blue on the side
of a sash fictionalized I'd love
to think he was joking I don't
know that I know he did it. I
don't know whether what was in
the state of mind. But that's
what we're doing now. We've got
to kill we kill the balloon.
That's worth a couple. Couple of
few 100 billion dollars for a
plane.
Adam Curry: It's such a joke and
I think all of that balloon
stuff that was just there to
distract everyone from Hirsch's
actual report.
John C Dvorak: I believe you I
think so too.
Adam Curry: You do believe?
John C Dvorak: I do believe?
Adam Curry: certainly seems like
that. Most definitely. Yeah.
Well, Russell Brand what does he
have 6 million subscribers on
his YouTube? I sure does. He
didn't he? I think he's on
rumble now too, as a backup.
John C Dvorak: This was on
rumble.
Adam Curry: Oh good. He's gonna
need that. He's gonna need that.
Will's gonna He's gonna need
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please say hello to my friend on
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John C Dvorak: Darren O'Neill
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to see boots on the ground feet
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all the dams and nice out there
you one foot 1.5 speed slower
down. This is good stuff here.
Adam Curry: I'm gonna have to do
that from time to time when
people go oh, I just heard
someone talking in normal
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Hundreds Yeah, we're low
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And I would like to thank the
artists who brought us the
artwork for episode 1531 We
titled that one the dead name.
And you know, I have to say that
just didn't feel like there was
a lot and a funny enough for the
rant I put out about Tucker
Carlson and Don Lemon. The best
art which we kind of liked was
the lemon sour sour puss punch,
which had a caricature of Don
Lemon on the bike as a lemon as
a lemon. It was a I thought it
was a good caricature it really
John C Dvorak: on the on the
webpage popped like hell I
didn't realize how good that
thing looks when it was actually
produced. No
Adam Curry: It popped massively
neck networks did this by the
way. And I a lot of people got
it. They thought it was funny,
but I don't know. It feels like
I mean, even today I'm seeing
kind of a low turnout on the
arts. I mean, it's possible that
people have other things to do
it is after all, it's still
black history month. We had
Presidents Day on Monday, which
mountain Jay was just swinging
for the fences on trying to get
a president sale best price with
coins Let's discuss this job
because I think sometimes
artists when they're just trying
to swing at it and art director
was comic strip blogger I see.
Oh, there you go. Now I know
what the problem was. Mountain J
worked with comic strip blogger
on trying to create a piece that
would win that kind of that kind
of makes it understandable Can
you explain how this how wrong
this was in this case?
John C Dvorak: Which one now the
coins the President's Day sale
the coins they were posted to
live?
Adam Curry: Yeah, eight times
over they were posted.
John C Dvorak: Did it just was
not it was this is an example of
an artist getting a hair up
their ass and knowing there's
something there but they can't
get it themselves. In fact, if
you I will tell you this if an
artist repeats the same piece
over and over and starts
changing things, yes. And they
don't have confidence in the
piece, right? It's just saying
Well, maybe if I did this, maybe
if I did this before we even
looked at it once right? And so
they're already so this kind of
a giveaway that there's
something amiss now once in a
while you see a couple of maybe
two variations on something or
somebody just changes the
background and okay, that kind
of works I think I don't know
what the what the point of these
coins Well
Adam Curry: I think what
happened was it might might have
been mountain J to almost one
the episode before or maybe even
one before that, which was the
best price and we chose for I
think some Balloon Art. Let me
see if that was mountain J
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that was
the balloon or no that was to
Neil and I was talking to Neil
it was Tanzania and it was a
balloon is shaped like a heart
Adam Curry: yes that's the one
we wound up choosing but so for
some reason best price that that
that I think that's really more
of an inside joke and it only
works when you do it with a
racist acts and best price
doesn't really work otherwise.
So I have a feeling that that
somehow they got
John C Dvorak: mixed up her last
one which is the prison sale
best price. Yeah. And I don't
know wishes custom licensed to
art what was licensed? What uh,
Adam Curry: I don't know. They
can't they lag maybe but you
know, if you look down below
it's like comic strip blogger
was the art director I mean,
that's sudden death right there
why would you take our direction
from comics or Blogger or he
does his butts
John C Dvorak: well now he's
doing almost exclusively Yeah,
AI art AI art to some of his
pretty good I liked his piece
but it was never gonna get
picked which was the Biden one
when he looks like he's just a
skirt crazy Biden picture it was
nice was it two shows ago maybe
Adam Curry: no L L Biden. l
Biden.
John C Dvorak: Yeah. Peace
Adam Curry: see what else would
we have nothing else here
John C Dvorak: was really that
great. I mean, I did use another
nest workspace for the
newsletter which was the this
false claims sauce with Oh, like
I care a cartoon eyes version
looks like a cartoon eyes
version of
Adam Curry: clamshell Schiff
John C Dvorak: No, that's
holding it Yeah. I think it's
supposed to be ship I don't know
it could be anybody but he's got
any holding this can it's just a
nice pretty piece and he's got
this little thing in the
background of the guy's head
that whatever is called his name
for it.
Adam Curry: So other choices
that we had we need more ammo
that didn't really work there
wasn't a lot of lot of choice. I
don't Raph there was a made
Marriott kind of a joker piece
but that you know had a number
on we try not to use episode
number art. No agenda Google ITM
was nice piece, but now didn't
really take us the Tesla recall
by capitalist agenda. No. And
just I didn't get that one. And
that was kind of it. But what
else? There wasn't a lot of
offering. No, I
John C Dvorak: thought it was
flat.
Adam Curry: Your flat,
everybody's flat and still
looking flat. So we can get
something good for this. This
episode. Maybe ever and maybe
everyone's broke and out of
ideas
John C Dvorak: broken out of a
company and just like a
depression. I've always said to
depression people don't
understand what a depression is.
They have this you know reasons
you can do some calculation or
unit of depression. People are
depressed in a depression. But
also he gets called a depressed
because they're literally
depressed. He's not really want
to go to work.
Adam Curry: So that during bad
economic times and depressions,
some of the best art is created.
John C Dvorak: I'm beginning to
think that's a myth, I think was
doing
Adam Curry: some of our best
work personally. Maybe,
personally, I think we're
knocking it out of the park
here. If you listen at one time
speed, otherwise Yeah, it all
just blends together. Maybe
people have just gone nuts. Now
if it's not the outrage of the
day, then whatever. We've been
through these cycles, we've seen
it all. We've seen it all.
outrage of the day.
Congratulations to networks.
Thank you so much with this
equal opportunity offenders here
for anybody who wants to try
their hand at creating the art
that we'll use for episode 1532
which is this one. By the way, I
really liked that graffiti as
you would call graffiti from
flood comment city.
John C Dvorak: I liked that
piece a lot. Yeah, but it says
1532 We don't typically it is it
is 1532. I know we don't
typically pick Nutella
typically. But we've done it a
lot. So that's a nice summary.
You can't beat that piece. I'm
voting so
Adam Curry: so far so far. Looks
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adds them all in and adds a lot
of the art that didn't make it
which is a fun way to display
that as well. And of course,
some of this art actually winds
up in no agenda shop.com I saw a
new piece. The appetite for
deconstruction is apparently now
on hoodies and T shirts and
mugs. I can't wait to buy a
couple of them. I need a new
hoodie. And that is you know
that's the the art that you
didn't like the one with the
skulls. Yeah, the Guns and
Roses. Dead logo to me is it's
actually taken from Guns and
Roses Appetite for Destruction.
So it's a it's a spoof, but I
think it's beautiful. I want
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He was QQ like QQ is very
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And he's been giving a lot of
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times.
John C Dvorak: Well, I've
started with a 1923. As when
vasectomy became popular, it was
it was just a coincidence that
they noticed this is that a
vasectomy was the substitute
earlier for de balling
castrating prisoners who were
Sex Criminals when they had
other issues. And they noticed
that a doctor would cut these
guys balls off and then the guy
would come when he got out of
prison and go kill the guy. So
oh, so that was working out. So
they just so they came up with
this operation where they did
this, what's essential, which
became a vasectomy, which they
accomplish the same thing. In
other words, you got D nutted.
And but it was the guy looked
down a look fine. It is too dumb
to know that anything happened.
So he didn't get killed the
doctor event but they started
noticing that these guys started
to have a youthful look. as they
got older they started looking
like young lesbians, but they
still it was useful. You look
good. Yes, that's gain was
smooth and in so many wrinkles
there was a number of things and
it became a rage in the 20s and
there's a lot of research done
on not only you look better, but
you also you might live longer
there's a million reasons these
vasectomies were used for this
but but it was also noticed by
myself and others that the look
was really a lay it all lesbian
look developed it regular matter
a while then you started look
like an old woman you had in the
skin was white is not a good
thing. So I just waited P I
tried to dissuade people from
getting vasectomy is but most of
the time the women have it, you
know, the the spouse look,
Adam Curry: if she wants it, and
you're gonna do it, she got you
by the balls already, brother.
So you might as well just get
get
John C Dvorak: and why she says
well, there's other things you
could do.
Adam Curry: Well, here's the
here's the one thing, and I
don't know how old you are,
Brian, but my good friend Mike.
He's the former cop from
Kerrville with anger management
issues. And so He's really He's
remarried and you know, he's now
50 is in his 50s and is
significantly younger hot wife
wants to have a baby you know,
so now he's got to reverse this.
It which rarely works well you
know, he doesn't he doesn't even
like the whole idea. But you
know, she loves her so he's
probably gonna have to go for it
so and that's a good it's a pain
in the ass. I mean, well, not
really pale somewhere else where
so we can't we Other than that,
John C Dvorak: I think is
symbolic. I think you're getting
you're just being Kim I think
symbolic castration that's my
opinion.
Adam Curry: And say hi to your
wife. I'm sure she loves
listening to the show and
John C Dvorak: I'm sure all of
vasectomy victims out there that
listen to this show they just
right at the moment there's
those goes the donations for the
next show.
Adam Curry: vasectomy victims is
this should be a group that that
vasectomy victims anonymous vva
Jelena Okay, thank you very much
Brian. I'll do it in the in the
indie no agenda meetup
Greenwood, Indiana 226
switcharoo donation for Julie
SRECS what what you
John C Dvorak: want them to do
the raffle? Yeah, and I think
they had
Adam Curry: they sent a I think
there's a meet up report. That's
right. She won the raffle. And
she's also not only She's a
longtime listener, but now first
time donors she needs to do
she's
Unknown: been de deuced cool.
Adam Curry: Add the indie thing
there too. So we have
John C Dvorak: a darker Newcomb
is up. And he's in Houston,
Texas, two to three. And he says
I needed to do shoot.
Unknown: You've been D deuced.
John C Dvorak: Please allow me
to shill for one of my favorite
podcasts blood satellite
excellent show just wanted to
give them a boost and thank you
guys as well. For all the great
content bring back Zippy karma
Yeah, karma Bitcoin trucker horn
somebody asked me either the no
agenda thing or you know what do
you what do we have a donation
level so we can have the note to
complete note read in zip his
voice Yeah, that's
Adam Curry: a great idea. I
could pull in big bucks from the
shop.
John C Dvorak: Well I was so I
first came up with a bill any
you know exactly you could
probably done I said no, no, no,
no, no. I immediately thought
executive producer only Yeah,
then I said well, I didn't put
this on myself. How about 500
bucks
Adam Curry: Shut up he's getting
all jacked up
John C Dvorak: I'm worth a lot
I'm not just some cheap or Yeah,
okay. All right.
Adam Curry: Hold on I need to do
the jingles here for the
John C Dvorak: was yeah karma
Bitcoin trucker horn was going
to do it in the
Adam Curry: in the end reverse
reverse order.
Unknown: That's ended
Adam Curry: all hell is gonna
break loose and you're gonna
need a Bitcoin
Unknown: you've got Harma
Adam Curry: Thank you. Jeffrey
Williams Broomfield, Colorado
rubber ducks. tu tu tu tu tu tu
i took the slow boat from grime
America to no agenda nation but
what a fantastic trip. Please
extract me from the douche
canoe.
Unknown: De deuced.
John C Dvorak: Like douche Greg
gana is back from ever. Ever
robic in Parker, Colorado. And
she says it is a switcheroo
donation from a human Resource
Alice so we have a human
resource getting this donation
in February 19 was her birthday
and I would like to beg you all
if you could maybe sing her a
happy birthday song to Alice you
can sing
Adam Curry: dee doo deuced I'm
happy birthday to you Happy
birthday to you Happy birthday
dear Alice Happy birthday to
you.
John C Dvorak: Thank you JP you
got the exclusive Zippy song
let's return and by the way,
kept it in tune a much better
than Adams everyday. She turned
five years old. If not please
read this Happy Birthday Alice
mommy and Billy love you very
much. And please d do her and
she loves the jiggler you've
been de Deus. Could you play
that we played? She goes around
saying that everywhere. Even if
she goes around saying it
everywhere. Even in pre K.
You'll ban de douche. And I'm
pretty sure her teachers have no
clue what she's saying and why
hahaha
Adam Curry: I would just say D
juiced make sure that if there's
any question of Gee juicy juice
Yeah, in fact, Simon Doyle is
from Orefield pa $200 Associate
Executive Producer titled love
the show. Thanks for all you do.
This is my first time donation.
So I must request a D juicing.
God blessed by Hashem you got
it? Oh my gosh, can you
Unknown: do deuced kind of.
John C Dvorak: And finally, the
last one or this is Scott fuller
incoming Georgia for 200 and
John Celie and dodge North
Dakota, both of them with no
notes. So give them a combined
double
Adam Curry: double pharma,
you've got pharma, and those are
the executive and Associate
Executive producers for episode
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resume, if anyone ever questions
that we will be happy to vouch
for you. And John's gonna take
us through to the 50s and we'll
wrap it up with our birthdays
and meetups and our nice things
and gaming's
John C Dvorak: Shawn Oh,
enterprising in Philadelphia 135
And he's got some some D douchey
things needed with the Nate and
other 76 club members.
Unknown: You've been D deuced.
John C Dvorak: Jason Jason Jason
bibble Bible, BYOB L E. B back
BYBL. In Austin, Texas. One
220 12 D. Marcus in Winnipeg,
Canada want to live in 33.
Shane, we're wearing God wearing
god I'm guessing in Byron
Center, Michigan, 100 Joseph
armory, or Amory in Piscataway,
New Jersey 100 in field 100
Tommy B in Hillsborough, New
Jersey. 100. He needs a D
douching.
Unknown: Band D deuced.
John C Dvorak: Sir Chris Gray of
the Isle of Wight in Covington,
Louisiana, 888 ser la de 808
Bremerton, Washington and the
newsletter guide me says Okay,
Sir Kevin McLaughlin and Locust
North Carolina is there for
another in a row of 808 Boob
donations. Brand Coffman in
Scottsdale, Arizona. 7575.
Jonathan color Keller's Nick in
Washington DC 75 in D if that's
your name are in our content LLC
in Trumbull Connecticut. He's
Yes, we did. Okay, sir. slurred
abart fast in hope Rhode Island
to the 678 Matthew Lane Hart in
Buford, Georgia, and he's got a
birthday and he's chemo set to
110 Sir Jules reed in Honolulu,
Hawaii. 5155 10. Sir Glenn in
Raleigh, North Carolina. 5510.
Serene, nice Marti. Sure even as
he's always very always, always
active. He's always in there. No
agenda, social. Culpeper,
Virginia. 5271. Brian Richardson
in Aurora, Illinois has a long
note because he's becoming
nighted And I think it should be
I guess we can read like to read
parts of these notes. Yes.
Adam Curry: Yes, indeed. He says
I found the show by listening to
Scott Horton, which is no small
podcast. Scott Scott Horton
donation, found that on the
stream back in 2011. I do
believe your show was playing
instead of his work one day and
the rest is history. No agenda
has read pilled me no sorry,
without the intention, which is
depressing most times, but has
done for me what I can put into
words right now. You definitely
helped me laugh about it all.
And it is a quality product. I
met Adam and the keeper in Des
Moines and was at the keep up in
Chicago. I would love to meet
John some day. I was listening
to Korean zookeeper number 32
incredibly funny, by the way,
and I'd mentioned how close I
was to knighthood at the dinner
but I didn't have my night name
figured out thanks to the
keeper. Sir Brian with an eye
and the rest of the fantastic
people that were there. I
decided on Sir Brian with a why
the rest of the fantastic people
that were there. Oh, the copious
party favors the roundtable
already great. I don't need to
burden the staff. I hope to
maybe come down to the national
meet up April 17. When and
whenever the Indy one will be.
It'll be sometime our Chicago
group is going to find our way
there soon regardless to look
out and they do it on a weekend.
All right, thank you very much.
And you're on deck for for your
knighting and thanks for showing
up at the meet up and to keep
up. That's great. I'll go
straight through forest Martin
came in with 5005 and we have
another royalty here with 5002 m
of the midvalley and with this
humble donation I push past the
threshold of knighthood. I
request the title sir M Madson
of the Mid Valley. I also humbly
request dad jokes and double
espresso at the roundtable.
Lastly, if I could get a plug
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well.
John C Dvorak: The following
people are $50 donors I'm just
going to read the names and
locations starting with Michael
Romano in Sebastopol. David
Perdue in Snow Hill, North
Carolina and Alexa Delgado in
Aptos, California Bart Baek
Valder in Veghel, Netherlands,
and Nora de Brabant, Daniel
Kelly and Falls Church,
Virginia. BRAC saw brands LLC,
in Portland, Oregon, Donald luck
in Pottsville, Pennsylvania,
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Nessa Sir and sir Patrick may
calm in New York City, Tatiana
Prince in Hollywood, Florida,
Robert case and mill spring,
North Carolina Christy Jones and
demorest ga are Demarest Robert
Hannah and Poway, California.
Matt Illingworth in Montclair,
New Jersey, John Lorenson,
pellets, Texas. Kate Haskell and
San Rafael, California. Sam
long story, Sam Williams and bow
Creek. Yes. Battle Creek,
Michigan he's
Adam Curry: looking for work
he's newly divorced and looking
for work. All right, yeah.
John C Dvorak: No Sam, Julian
Robinson Aptos Cal another
Aptos. California to meet up
there Allen being certain Barron
Allen being in Beaverton Oregon.
Michael stadium. Parts Unknown
answer hold my beer is still
there in Austin, Texas. Want to
thank these people for all these
people for making everything
work here and the no agenda
show? 1523 3215 32
Adam Curry: and I want to say hi
to Sir Julian. He drove out from
Bastrop to have lunch with me on
was it Tuesday, here in
Fredericksburg. You remember him
from the Bastrop meetup that he
and his his Dame put in a huge
donation at the time. And he
said you know Do I really love
the donation segments? Do people
understand how much content
there really is in those
donation segments? I don't know.
I don't know. They do seem to
come back after the segment. But
yeah, there is a drop off about
7%. I agree. I think some of our
best work is in these segments.
Thank you.
John C Dvorak: I'm gonna thank
Deborah for the card is nice.
Thank you.
Adam Curry: Thank you to all of
our execs, associate execs, they
have the Forever titles of
course, thank you everyone all
the way up to $50 under that, we
do not mention for reasons of
anonymity we try and keep it
that way. But we do appreciate
everyone who was on those
sustaining donations. You can
find out more about them at our
website
Unknown: vora.org/and
Adam Curry: Emma's give a little
service good karma for those who
need it and thank all of you for
supporting the no agenda Show
episode 1532 formula is this. We
go out we hit people in the
mouth
today, we're gonna look at Robin
wishes her daughter Alice Happy
Birthday turned five on February
19. And Zippy did all of that
work for so good. Dame Sam Cat
of southern Knight county
celebrating today the 23rd Sir
Lena wishes Josh Bradford they
have to birthday turns 39
tomorrow and damn DRAM mad Dave
The midvalley wishes are
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Happy Birthday and we say happy
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don't want to be induced we have
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earlier Dame Lady Bird now
becomes barren that just Lady
Bird eagle of Toledo Bend and we
welcome her to this a higher
level on the peerage ladder and
thank you very much for your
extra support. We really do
appreciate it we got two knights
on deck John out out. I cut
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on. Thank you. Two nights on
deck. There we go. Brian
Richardson step up here on the
podium and am of the Mid Valley
both views supported the no
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All right, we got we got meetup
reports here. We got meetup
reports written one from Sir
from Roger roundy. From the
senile POTUS Washington DC 19th
of February meet up. He didn't
send in a piece of audio and
make me do the work in
attendance were Willow ah grim.
Sir Penton pantile Jellinek Kurt
be the human action handyman,
Renegade and a Polish dude named
Job Polish dude named jobs. We
saw close up Ron Paul, Jimmy
Dore and Dennis Kucinich among
many others also let celebrities
we met people all over the
political spectrum, including
commies, lib tardes peaceniks,
alt right, a deep sea diver and
Tulsi Gabbard, this would have
been funny if you'd recorded
this actually. After four long
freakin hours of speeches. It
was just me and job left. Job
left for the final march to the
White House and after that, long
people were cranky, megaphones,
arguments chubby anarchists T
boned my senile POTUS sign. A
seven year old nearly took out
job with his cane It was
awesome. Peace out. Sounds like
a good time man. These no agenda
meetups you never know what's
gonna happen. Let's go to fish
town.
Unknown: This is Sean here from
local 76 and Philadelphia
Brewing Company. We got 10
people here on our second no our
third anniversary my second as a
host, Craig Rob and Nate have
all contributed a total of $135
as their membership douche.
Please do douche them guys. And
don't give us that Chinese
leadership
as a warning. This
is Nate from pizza town. Love
you guys. Thank you for your
courage.
It's Rob from Brooklyn here the
76 is on your Meetup. And I do
believe
this is Lou in the morning all
the douchebags out there donate
donate.
Hey it's suburban Shan
This is in future Lady of the
Philadelphia Badlands I just
want to hit say hi to Zippy
This is Jason having a few beers
but with some sophisticated
people
so glad that when introduced me
to this and summer and I surely
appreciate you guys and what I
learned thank you this is Kylie
Adam Curry: Yeah, another big
meter. Now people when you're
sending these file names, label
them please I forgot now who
this is from but here we go. You
do Yeah. Smokey. Okay, well, I'm
gonna have to edit that one.
Sorry. This. I mean, if that's
not that's something I can play
out of the box. I took a risk.
And the same with this one. This
is from things that in DNA meet
up. It's a risk. Let's see what
happened happens.
Unknown: This is Mark, this is
Maria.
Adam Curry: These guys know what
they're doing from our monthly
Indianapolis
Unknown: meetup. Hi, this is
Cindy from Carmel. Thank you for
your courage and I do believe
this books are facts. Hi, this
is Julie from fishers. So this
is my first meetup. I won the
raffle and I'm no longer a
douchebag
this is sort of over the mobile.
This is a great meetup but until
the government's about it all of
our party balloons are made in
China. Would you like to read in
my beautiful blue? Hey, I
think I caught the talk this
month. This is Emily goes boots
in the morning.
Hey Is Gary from Greenwood we
have a serious situation we need
to get up to Lake Huron and I'm
getting his search and rescue
party together to get our
400,000 plus dollars of taxpayer
money back who's with me
Scarlet P from
Chicago basically tried versus
survived father and David Dorita
del brewski hair drinking some
beers in the morning to you John
and Adam. This is Nick mark is
wearing a Hawaiian shirt used to
spook was Mike's
and Fort Wayne. We've come over
to take over the intergroup but
we're not succeeding very well.
In the morning.
This is Shannon from faraway and
visiting in Annapolis. Everyone
here is 33% happier now that
we've eaten our daily assessment
of kale
in the morning. This is Dame
Trinity having a great time in
India. Thank you for your
courage
in the Morning John and Adam and
serve PBR street gang here in
Indianapolis having a great time
thinking to you, Jeremy from
Nappanee, Indiana in the
morning, not from Indianapolis
is a big balloon at the table,
but no f 22
and from Nappanee and I'm not
taking that balloon home
Adam Curry: man that is such a
big group the indie meetup I
mean that thing's growing and
then the Chicago guys and gals
are going to come down and join
them that's going to be off the
hook we that's what we need to
do a tri state meet up. I'm
going to coordinate this with
the keep
John C Dvorak: a Missouri
putting Michigan one in that's
what I'm saying. We
Adam Curry: throw them all
together. The imagine that meet
up. Alright first one, the 17th
of April that's that's a natural
one we're going to do. All
right. Here's what's coming up
tomorrow. We've got the I must
be high number eight seven
o'clock McSorley's wonderful
saloon and Grill in Toronto.
We've got the international
slaves do Naza I do Nanga Miami
time seven o'clock. rakija
lounge Miami Beach, Florida.
Southside okie city Hui Hui meet
up one o'clock garage more off i
135 That's more Oklahoma. This
is Saturday now bruised by the
bay one o'clock at the guild
Warren beer hall and brewery in
Warren Rhode Island QC and a two
o'clock in armored gardens
Davenport, Iowa and also on
Saturday monthly deprogramming
meet up two o'clock at
propaganda place Punta Gorda,
Florida and the double back BBQ
a double birthday barbecue 333
at South Winchester BBQ, San
Jose, California and on Sunday,
the next show day the linkage of
amygdala shrinkage. There'll be
noon Eastern at Babson beer
company in Derby, Connecticut
these are the no agenda meetups,
no agenda meetups are important.
They're good for you. They give
you a sense of community because
is your community everyone's
awkward we don't look like to
say we don't like like belong
together. But we love balloons
and you will love being at a no
agenda meetup go try it out no
agenda meetups.com They are
entirely producer organized. No
Fee it's free to get in free to
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is protection no agenda
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Unknown: Sometimes you want to
go hang out with Dyson days. You
won't be triggered you to be
where everybody feels the same.
Is like
Adam Curry: we on time bow. Done
a lot today. A lot of talking
I'm slipping a little bit but
we're trying to work on ready
John C Dvorak: for us. I
suppose.
Adam Curry: Me got only two.
John C Dvorak: I don't think I'm
very I got three pay your two
ready for the big one.
Unknown: Thank you very much for
your courage.
Adam Curry: Shit sound nothing
good. Sorry. That's all I got
and I'm unprepared woefully
unprepared for this. I'm sorry.
John C Dvorak: Okay, well, let's
play minus if there's anything
here that's worth a crap. Okay,
start with Saiga and so the saga
continues.
Adam Curry: Better than anything
I got. Yeah. What's your next
one?
John C Dvorak: Sexism. Oh,
Unknown: this is blatant sexism.
Adam Curry: That fits a little
more with our show. And the
third one,
John C Dvorak: the rain, the
rain,
Adam Curry: Ginny is coming
back. No, no, no, this is
Unknown: This is blatant sexism.
That's us. I mean, that's fine.
John C Dvorak: I'll let it go.
Adam Curry: I mean, totally good
with it. I mean, that whole
vasectomy segment. That was
John C Dvorak: sec. Well, I got
a clip to follow on the
vasectomy segment. I thought
people should at least hear
this. Okay. What do you guys are
talking about it here too. Oh,
this is the clip China, S Korea,
Japan, birth rates
Unknown: China, Japan and now
South Korea. All these nations
are setting new records for low
fertility. The demographic issue
has become a growing policy
concern throughout much of East
Asia, where shrinking and aging
populations are fueling labor
shortages. However, fewer than
250,000 babies were born in
South Korea in 2022. Officials
say on average, a woman now
gives birth to about 0.78
children in her lifetime. That's
the lowest fertility rate in the
OECD. Policymakers point to a
shift in the role of women in
South Korean society. Many are
waiting both to get married and
to have children. The government
is concerned and it's creating
new incentives for couples to
expand their families, including
help to get women back to work
post birth and more affordable
housing. Well, South Korea is
not alone in seeing a low birth
rate as a threat to its
survival. Japanese Prime
Minister Shinzo mele says the
issue has put Japan social
support system on the verge of
collapse. And Chinese experts
worry it will put the brakes on
Beijing's economic growth.
Adam Curry: Well, this takes me
right back to the former New
York banker what he said. He
said we we win, we win over
everybody. As long as we have
enough more more people in
America. And the way we do that
is just open the borders. That's
how you win that did that
apparently is all that counts.
China, Japan, South Korea, they
can't keep up. They have no
borders to let people into.
John C Dvorak: Brother is that
no.
Adam Curry: I I'm reminded
John C Dvorak: you know that one
of the things that was in that
little laundry list, which would
maybe help was the get women
back to work. And I think maybe
there's just the opposite.
Because if you look at the
elites, the women delimiter they
do a lot but they don't have
jobs. I could look at it. You
know, what was it unIess Kennedy
by Robert Kennedy's wife had
like eight kids I mean, kids
Robert Kennedy half Yeah,
something like that. The elites
are reproducing like that. And
they don't make their mean she
does work the work is raising
the eight kids this but along
with 30 works ism. Yeah, there
you go. I get my sexism look,
David handle write down my main
business,
Adam Curry: you know, you know,
see Mike. See, Mike sent me you
may have gotten to two we got
his Christmas letter, and his
piggy had eight kids. That's a
nine one isn't heaven, but eight
kids. Now like go see, Mike. I
think that I agree. We should be
making our own kids. Loss of
them.
John C Dvorak: Though, I think I
do have some other stuff. If you
want to play a role.
Adam Curry: I have something
very important to play. And it's
a warning. Warning. It's a
warning. It's a warning. And as
a celebrity in years gone by you
John C Dvorak: the washed up
podcast is a washed
Adam Curry: up VJ with Tourette
Syndrome. Back in the day, you
know, you can ask for stuff
reality shows all kinds of
stuff. You know, sometimes it's
one of those shows where they,
you know, they'll ask everyone
the same 50 Questions like and
they package it into a special,
like Best Songs of the 80s You
know, and then you know, they'll
have little blip blips of little
clips of people and other times
a little more long form show and
I want to warn against
participating in shows that
could surprise you, for
instance, and I saw this happen
in the UK I think it started in
the UK this show and now it's a
it probably is maybe a BBC show.
That's why PBS has it now here
it's called Hold on a second,
what is it called? It's called
Find your roots. And what they
do is though, so you so you're a
celebrity. And you know, and
then they're going to trace your
roots and it always winds up
like this. Your ancestors were
slave owners. I mean, this has
always happened. Yes, this is
true.
John C Dvorak: I watched this
guy gates, his black guy doesn't
have PVA, Henry Gates, Jr.
Gates. It's always everybody was
a slave owner,
Adam Curry: they will they flip
the script, they flip the
script. And they and here's a
snippet of PBS is finding your
roots. And they and they and
they, the celebrity in this case
was Angela Davis. Angela Davis,
who admitted Marxist, Angela
Davis, who teaches people about
the slavery of our country and
how we are horrible people. And
here's the payoff.
Unknown: Any idea what you're
looking at? That is list of the
passengers on the Mayflower? No,
I can't believe this did not
come here on the mate. Your
ancestors came on the Mayflower.
descendant, one of the 101
people who sailed on the
Mayflower.
That's a little bit too much
to deal with right now. Did you
ever in your wildest dreams
think that you may have
descended from people who laid
never the foundation? Never
this? Never. Never? Whoa, you
got butt slap?
Adam Curry: I mean, that is
unbelievable. A that they do
that to her? But did they
broadcast it? I mean, isn't that
just crazy? It is crazy. And
what a what a? I mean, all the
things she said about slavery.
And her ancestors came over on
the Mayflower and participated
actively in slavery. Obviously,
oh, goodness, is let this be a
warning to all of you
celebrities or influencers or
whatever you're called out
there. influencers? Let me see
if I had anything else. Oh, yes.
This is probably worth
mentioning. Since I don't know,
it may, I think, when it comes
to an example of the if there's
a country where everyone can
point to and say, oh, you know,
they should have not they should
have listened. This should have
stayed in the EU, you know?
Yeah, that Brexit big mistake.
Now you're all going to die.
Unknown: Yes. One as an
independent act of frontline
journalism, your cameraman here,
Mike Simon's and myself went to
the test goes behind us. And
yes, they have no tomatoes, and
they're blaming adverse weather.
So what's it all about? Well,
primarily, just that a run of
unusually cold weather in
southern Spain, and North
Africa, Tunisia, right across to
Egypt, where at this time of the
year, the UK can get up to 95%
of its requirements of certain
lines of vegetable smarter virus
in North Africa, adding into
that, second, the energy crisis
we do use grows in the
Netherlands quite intensively
this time of year. They've
decided it's too expensive
because of electricity prices.
You don't just have to heat up
the greenhouses. Of course, you
have light the short hours of
daylight as well. It's too much
they're not doing it. Then look
at what the NFU was saying just
that it's conference last few
days that the amount of
vegetables that we're growing
under glass is at its lowest
level, certainly in some lines.
Minette batters, the NFU leader
said since 1985, when Records
began, yes, it will get better.
There's a thing called Spring
coming on British growers will
kick in. It is temporary, but
maybe for go a few cucumbers,
tomatoes and some lettuces and
peppers for the time being.
Adam Curry: So basically,
there's a shortage of fruit and
veg in the UK and people are
kind of freaking out. There's no
vegetables
John C Dvorak: and the shortage
was there and Brexit it out or
not. It's all gonna be the
shortage. Of course not,
Adam Curry: of course, but
that's just being used now. Oh,
you shouldn't have Brexit issue.
John C Dvorak: You know, we have
a cold snap out here, which is
another, you know, where's the
global warming? Yeah, but up in
Port Angeles, they've had
something which is really cold.
There was a first and I never
heard of this. And it's never
happened before we've had to
place up there forever. Straight
effects, no straight effect
snow, just like lake effect
snow, but it's from the Straits
of Juan de Fuca, which is the
northern part of that area
between Canada and the United
States between Port Angeles and
Victoria, Canada. That's the
Straits of Juan de Fuca and as
snow is being formed off the
lake just like off the streets
just like lake effect snow, and
it produces this which I've
experienced once I knew I was in
Cleveland by coincidence. And
would they had lake effect snow
and they're producing Lake Texas
no in Washington now.
Adam Curry: At least that's what
they're calling it. Who knows?
Who knows? I just I just I gotta
get this one out to have you
seen Laura Barron Lopez? No, she
is the new hot shit reporter at
the PBS NewsHour
John C Dvorak: she's probably
seen her then.
Adam Curry: Oh man she is she's
the total perfect multi CultI
girl.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, the when
you can identify the
Adam Curry: name gives it away
John C Dvorak: but that name
does but you can run into you
know Soledad O'Brien, for
example, is a good example of
what is she?
Adam Curry: Well, I think she's
Mexican. A Mexican American
Laura Barron Lopez. She's young.
She comes from political as she
really no she came out of school
into politico now she is. I
think they they're calling her
Judy's replacement. Which seems
a bit
John C Dvorak: girl that's
probably since she's the one who
does this. She's been doing
Judy's replacement job for quite
a while the same person
Adam Curry: for the curly long
hair now this can't be her.
Maybe she's replacing someone.
John C Dvorak: I'm sure it's
this. What's your name? Um,
Adam Curry: so she's the White
House correspondent for PBS
NewsHour. Okay.
John C Dvorak: The White House
Chris White. Spell it.
Adam Curry: Bought own ba R O N
dash Lopez. Laura Barron Lopez.
And cute smile.
John C Dvorak: No, I've seen
this girl. Yeah.
Adam Curry: So but she's also a
a pundit for CNN. And so
Unknown: she's on a roll. Yeah.
And
Adam Curry: you know, so here's
what happened. It was a huge
upset in journalism land,
because Kevin McCarthy has given
Tucker Carlson 40,000 hours of
January 6 tapes. And this of
course, is an outrage. He didn't
give it to the people. No, he
gave it
John C Dvorak: to Tucker Carlson
another topic of outrage pod.
Exactly. So everybody's going on
and on about who cares. Let's
see what they come up with
Unknown: Kevin McCarthy is
giving Fox's Tucker Carlson
access to 10s of 1000s of hours
of January 6 security footage
your tax dollars paid for most
of the cameras that captured the
scene inside and around the
Capitol that day. With speaker
McCarthy is granting access only
to Carlson and to Fox Carlson is
a frequent McCarthy critic who
says the speaker has no
ideological core. Carlson also
repeatedly spreads conspiracies
about the attack suggesting it
was orchestrated somehow by the
deep state, the FBI, not the pro
Trump mob, as we all witnessed,
our reporters are back around
the table. Why?
Well, I think we have to ask,
you know,
Adam Curry: this is her.
Unknown: We have to look at
Tucker Carlson and the fact that
Tucker Carlson is one of the
leading propagandists on Fox and
that he has lied Oh, January,
repeatedly has lied about the
2020 election and the fact that
this comes on the heels of
documentation and evidence
showing that Tucker Carlson knew
that those were lies about
election fraud around the 2020
election, still decided to go on
air and talk about it. And
McCarthy knows that and he's
deciding to hand it over to
someone who is going to filter
the message anyway.
So is it is it than simply raw
politics.
Adam Curry: But wait, there's
more people sitting around this
table. These are all high level
correspondents for CNN,
Unknown: Kevin McCarthy has only
a four seat majority, Kevin
McCarthy could be recalled
essentially by his members at
any moment. One of his sharpest
critics happened to be one of
the most popular programs among
the mega base and Kevin McCarthy
is saying Tucker, if I give you
these tapes stop saying this.
McCarthy is not especially
conservative. He is in fact
ideologically agnostic first
released the January 6 files,
not some of the January 6 files
and video, all of it. And
there's worse than that. Really
a conservative he's agnostic, he
laughs with the breeze. Uh, he
has said worse is that simply
what this is? Maybe if I give
this to you, you'll be nice to
me. Well, I think yes. As it
seems, Oh, you
Adam Curry: missed it. You still
listen to listen to this show?
Go back, multi CultI girl giggle
in the background. This guy says
Oh, clearly that's that's a quid
pro quo.
Unknown: Worse than that. I
mean, he said she said he's not
really a conservative. He's
agnostic. He you know, perhaps
with the breeze, or he has said
worse. Is that simply what this
is? Maybe if I give this to you,
you'll be nice to me. Well, I
think your question is yes.
pretty transparent
Adam Curry: There you go. People
that's why we're here. Not to
bring you outrage but to laugh
at stupid people. That's why
we're really here. Should we
call it a day?
John C Dvorak: I think we better
Okay.
Adam Curry: All right. We I have
so much work to do our post
production kind of fix all the
things we said wrong. Gotta edit
it out. Gotta make you sound a
little more ballsy takes me
hours to do all that so
John C Dvorak: and get closer to
the mic that'll
Adam Curry: help. We have end of
show mixes coming up. Let me see
who we have. We've got Matty J.
Mr. Information is back Sir
Michael Anthony and Steve No,
not Steve Jones. We caught him
out. Steve Oh, Leola Pukas
right. Sorry, Steve. You got
vetoed. Coming up next I know
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everybody I'm Adam curry
John C Dvorak: from Northern
Silicon Valley where I remain
I'm John C Devorah. We returned
Adam Curry: on Sunday right here
with another hours and hours and
hours long of your media
deconstruction until then adios
mofos Hui Hui, and such
Unknown: back in the day that
backer would say Do No Harm now
they're sick sick with a stick a
prick in your arm. Be quiet,
just try it. No need for alarm.
The real star stuff feels like
an animal farm see the big wake
pig state laughing cause they're
almost close to replace some
cash with drugs. No meat for the
sheep just grass and bugs but
dogs got so passed a bone we're
not alone but tribe itself that
to the drones. They'll say that
you're crazier than gay on Jones
for rationing gas. It's
happening fast. The times
passing unmasking the sinister
side of high fashion. I tried to
have compassion to live in let
live but refuse to be school
stop pimping the kids use the
booze like to loose at the move
on Route. Now these dudes look
like Swayze and to Wong foo
shoot might be crazy, but I
don't think they can change
genders and turn to what six
from left to right. Why does the
media push sex and violence? Why
did they derive that humanity
inside us and hide us from the
truth with the news shit is
ruthless. Produce clueless
humans, who conclude meditation
is useless but she never met a
Buddhist that would shoot kids
medication students on computers
losing the youth kids Snapchat
news reducing the potential of
other future dropping faster
than teen ballers get in
boosters. psych meds live in
life through a screen fact
tweets on sandy bars vaccines
tick tock that stands for big
tech schemes. The long term
effects remain to be seen.
What's up New York City. This is
your mayor up on Staten Island
where we just had a visit from
Florida Governor Ron De Santis.
And you know, I had to throw
some shade on Twitter. Well,
Governor, I hope you enjoyed
your visit to New York City, a
place where our school libraries
is rated x a place where
everybody is either a victim or
oppressor, a place where we
invite all immigrants and then
complain when they show up a
place where a human being ain't
nothing but a clump of cells. So
you go on back down to Florida
now you're hurt. All right in
New York City. I'm gonna see
y'all later stay woke
and I will say that there no
major plot twist waiting for
you.
We are now hearing from someone
who was inside the grand jury
that investigated the election
crimes of Donald Trump.
That's not the way I expected
this to go at all.
Potentially. It might. That was
really cool for me.
I would say that I don't think
that there any like, especially
if they've been following the
investigation.
By I'm sure that might have
been. Totally,
that was pretty much that. Okay,
we're good bye.
John C Dvorak: They're doing
Satan. Worship right in front of
her throwing it in their face.
Yes. At the beginning.
Adam Curry: They come from sky.
She is at the top of the pyramid
in the red dress. She is the Red
Queen. Everyone knows this is
the Red Queen. This is the
devil. Yeah, she's pregnant with
the Antichrist, of course, but
get the throne. You didn't see
that? Well, let me let me break
it down for you because I saw it
right. You'd seen her red dress,
Sam Smith, Rihanna, heaven
forbid. So everybody's read.
She's thrown the Illuminati
triangle. Satan worship Wait a
minute Illuminati bull crap.
John C Dvorak: It was just dumb.
I mean, I like I said I just
thought it was lousy but it was
boring it's what I watch for
this what you watch for and this
is where everyone thinks you're
great this is all Satan worship
right in front of an NFL
audience is symbolic all ritual
below 180 millions worldwide
once again she's
Adam Curry: pregnant with the
Antichrist blows possible the
Antichrist has come up with the
evidence
John C Dvorak: to prove it that
was an IRA like just look at you
know, Thomas. Yeah, I think you
probably right the queen is
Adam Curry: here to tell us
Unknown: hobo bora.org/in A,
this is blatant
sexism.