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1238: Sake Stock

Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

3h 8m
April 30th, 2020
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Executive Producers: Tony Cabrera, Kimberly & Timothy Singleton, Sir Ted of Leak Detection & Ozone Hole Mitigation, Jet Stigter, Dame Ladybug, Anonymous in Chicago

Associate Executive Producers: Abby Ventzke, Dame Twin Mominator, Jacob Hernandez, Sir Greg, The Bakersfield Knight

Cover Art by Mike Reiley

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Woodstock
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    podcasting the truth Adam curry with
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    seven cars things are looking up so we
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    have one car more than the last show yes
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    exactly
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    this is good man I'm so happy about this
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    well we'll see what happens but I mean
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    everything is looking so good except it
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    can't be
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    have you noticed though they've shut us
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    down for another month I know this is
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    this what is going on man tell me what's
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    happening cuz we're opening tomorrow
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    well good so tell me what's the story
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    that we get the phone call you get a
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    phone call yeah it's just a lousy call
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    it sounds like somebody edited it hello
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    a patrons of calamita county we have
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    extended the stay at home orders until
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    May 31st you are required to then they
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    get through the list of stuff I would
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    like to get a tape of it but someone
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    like you what what is the lace press 1
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    to acknowledge receipt of this call and
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    you have to say so you have to press 1
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    to acknowledge receipt
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    well you can't or you don't that is
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    that's crazy
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    this end there's almost like there's
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    nothing going on in California I know
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    the mortality rate is low the actual
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    case a case count is low the death count
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    is low well they did have that one funny
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    part of the message at the end hmm we
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    will lift the orders if you vote
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    Democrat if you vote Democrat I'm sure
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    they did that everything's pretty good
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    well we are opening up tomorrow here in
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    Texas
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    here is the governor who I like for a
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    lot of reasons I really don't think he's
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    a good speaker my goodness he no he
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    doesn't do well with the speaking but
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    here's where we're at for tomorrow which
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    will be May first in Austin my executive
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    order to stay at home that was issued
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    last month is set to expire on April the
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    30th that executive order has done his
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    job to slow the growth of Cove in
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    nineteen and I will let it expire as
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    scheduled now it's time to set a new
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    course a course that responsibly opens
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    up business in Texas
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    obviously not all businesses can open
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    all at once a more strategic approach is
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    required to ensure that we don't reopen
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    only to have to close down again we will
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    open Texas businesses in phases
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    phase one begins this Friday May 1st
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    all retail stores restaurants movie
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    theaters and malls can reopen May the
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    1st
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    now to minimize the spread of Kobe 19
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    during phase 1 on the advice of doctors
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    I am limiting occupancy to no more than
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    25% the extent to which this order opens
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    up businesses in Texas supersedes all
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    local corners
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    if phase one works while containing Koba
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    19 phase 2 will expand an occupancy to
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    50% this order allows these businesses
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    okay
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    I said he's shitty I can't help that but
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    we are one of the first states to open
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    one of the first really first places to
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    open with restaurants this 25% is very
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    interesting I'm not sure how you do that
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    in a restaurant so I don't either I
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    called up Lonesome Dove and made a
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    reservation for Friday as they are one
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    of the at this I think yesterday there
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    was probably 15 restaurants listed and
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    I'm like well if it's Lonesome Dove
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    I say hey yeah yeah we have limited
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    availability whatever that meant so we
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    have a table at think six or six-thirty
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    ahead and he said and I said hey thank
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    you guys for you know doing this as
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    great as good that you're opening up he
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    says yeah we're gonna keep everybody as
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    safe as possible seat everybody six feet
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    apart and we're really gonna ask
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    everybody to keep wearing their masks
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    until food is served
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    oh brother why don't we just put trash
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    bags on her head so it's you know I want
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    to stop here because most of these
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    municipalities have this kind of the
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    same rule you wear the mask when you're
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    not six feet apart yeah that's the whole
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    idea isn't it yeah yeah if you're six
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    feet apart you don't need the mask
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    anyway it didn't sound like they were
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    going to enforce it too much but I will
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    have a report on Sunday of course
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    regardless this move by the governor is
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    a real problem for liberal cities in
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    Texas such as Austin really ass
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    a little disappointing here is the
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    response from our mayor in Austin the
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    Adler they the overwhelming impression
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    most of the mayor's is that they wish
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    that the governor had waited another two
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    or three weeks to do this two or three
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    weeks so that we would be in a better
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    place with testing better place for
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    traffic better place Travis County Judge
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    Sarah Eckhart says locally we do not
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    meet the federal guidelines for opening
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    back up with only a week of declining
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    case numbers additionally we've seen a
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    tripling of the number of deaths in the
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    last two weeks which certainly does not
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    meet the gating criteria two weeks well
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    she's saying it what the numbers or the
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    actual you can't say tripling it could
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    have gone from one to three the point
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    was well here is the point is if the
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    guide the official guidelines say you
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    should have two weeks of of decline but
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    these these death rates they come over
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    the weekend and they're much higher
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    because they don't count them they don't
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    release them until Monday you know so
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    it's it's we all know that this is
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    bullcrap they're counting broken
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    toenails as close in the last two weeks
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    which certainly does not meet the gating
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    criteria of a two-week decline in death
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    rate county commissioners expressed
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    fears that if cases spike again they may
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    have to shut the community back down but
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    I understand that it's just horrible for
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    the economy and for so many people
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    who've lost their jobs and can't pay
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    bills I don't have a clear sense for how
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    you do try and retreat once you've gone
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    forward to reopening the city and
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    counties say they are working to draft
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    up a new order of their own that would
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    provide stricter guidelines for staying
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    safe even though it would not override
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    the state mandate and you heard Abbott
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    say specifically you this over the
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    supersedes everything every local order
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    and here they are well it's not an
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    official order but we're gonna give your
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    stink-eye if you don't do what we say
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    dickheads and people are ready for it
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    this is up and by the way I want to plan
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    what that woman said
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    she says I don't know how you retreat if
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    you have to go back to the what do you
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    mean what is she talking about you just
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    tell people to go back to closing these
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    businesses you mean you don't know how
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    to I think you heard her say that yes I
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    heard it and I think she does not know
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    because she knows what the citizens are
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    thinking such as this woman who was has
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    a hair salon not far from Dallas yeah
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    rally cries open Texas a crowd of people
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    gathered in Frisco choosing to ignore
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    social distancing practices Saturday
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    afternoon they believe reversing the
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    fall of the state's economy is the top
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    priority a feeling shared by salon owner
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    Shelley Luther and if they want to lock
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    those doors
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    I'll put chairs out here and my stylist
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    can work on the patio gladly she was
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    served a citation from the city of
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    Dallas and a cease and desist letter
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    from Dallas County judge clay Jenkins on
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    Friday still she says she's not leaving
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    a line formed again before she opened
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    again on Saturday it's unclear what
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    actions officials will take everything's
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    being vague because they're all looking
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    at each other saying what do we do
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    because this is unprecedented
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    she's had steady lines of support she's
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    you know fighting the good fight for all
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    of us as a business owner every single
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    day matters it's utterly agonizing to
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    look at a pile of bills and get more
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    bills and know that you're getting
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    further and further behind people
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    they're done with it they want out they
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    want to be free and Texas is probably a
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    good example of what it means to be an
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    American I'm gonna go out on a limb here
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    here we go
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    freedom which we have here in America
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    it's in the Constitution is risky it
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    comes with some risk and that's why
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    America is fantastic and we I think from
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    our the beginnings assess the risk and
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    go for it or not we're also a lot of we
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    have a lot of dumb heroes in America the
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    movies are folded filled with it you
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    know a lot of guys rushing
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    they're the hero but I think everyone
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    feels this way in Texas I can't speak
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    for all of America but I'm hearing the
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    same from people in California with who
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    like you are baffled baffled that you're
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    going to be closed another month
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    Christina told me that in Rotterdam in
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    the Netherlands things will ease up at
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    the end of May but sports clubs
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    restaurants small shops may not open
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    until September and this is why you hear
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    our sheriff here say I don't know what
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    to do I don't know how you shut them
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    down once they got because you can't
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    because we won't go and we've figured it
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    out I have a little time I have a little
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    time lined I just wrote down I just like
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    - well okay go ahead I was just gonna I
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    wanted to interrupt and and mention a
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    couple of things about California since
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    you brought it up sure sure
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    one they do beaches are open in Southern
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    California even though they're gonna try
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    to shut them down again which means
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    beaches are open whoo-hoo well if give
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    me one second with his news yeah but
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    Newsom is irked about it because their
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    work you know they know the place is
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    half empty there you still work I think
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    there's actually a the and I just just
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    off the top of my head it's a scam of
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    sorts they're shutting down the state
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    for another month
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    so Newsom can be the big hero and come
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    in as the governor and open things up in
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    about a week or two oh good point that
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    would make sense
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    it's a risky strategy though because
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    people are you know you can push people
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    so far and I think they're on edge
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    you're not you and I are pretty easy
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    because this is our life anyway all
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    right we're media exempt hello no but in
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    general my life has not changed too
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    drastically I'd say I realized yesterday
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    I've been at home for six weeks of
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    course I've been out to do some shopping
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    but I'm like it didn't feel like
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    anything extra special is like my life
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    we have a deck so I'm lucky I get to sit
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    outside and
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    the Hollywood celebrities but people are
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    people are on edge and you know what's
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    happening and actually this is a
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    California this this is the kind of
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    stuff that's going to happen more and
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    more and they'll get more aggressive
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    until people get back to life to women
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    Carmelita Marella and Rosetta Shabazz
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    have been arrested on federal charges in
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    connection to using a cough as a weapon
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    during a robbery back on April 6 2020
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    outside at Walgreens in San Francisco's
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    Tenderloin neighborhood FBI Special
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    Agent in Charge John Bennett when they
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    were approached by store personnel they
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    began to cough you know pretty pretty
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    aggressively and then they they told
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    everybody they had kovat and so in their
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    own words they were they were telling
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    people they were positive or for this
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    flyer FBI investigators say these crimes
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    are part of a disturbing trend
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    nationwide oh I don't know about that
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    being a trend nationwide but if it is it
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    just proves my point
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    now you I think it's interesting to
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    think that Gavin Newsom wants to come in
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    in a week as the hero what I'm seeing is
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    certainly New York and I would presume
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    that Gavin Newsom wants do something
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    similar for the state of California they
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    need an Illinois they need money they're
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    broke
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    it's probably cheaper for Illinois to
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    keep people at home and I don't even I
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    don't think most people even gotten
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    their unemployment checks in Illinois
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    yet it's cheaper for them to keep
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    everybody at home and try to keep the
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    city running in other words the city can
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    we start losing money more well that's
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    that's I think that's the way they see
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    it so now we're seeing these questions
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    pop up about bailouts and I think Trump
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    is open to it but this is where he has
  • 14:05
    all the leverage and this came up in the
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    Tuesday briefing which I still follow
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    religiously since no one no one reports
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    on them properly here is also this is
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    another interesting little side note
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    although he doesn't answer that about
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    universal basic income
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    probably a desire of some of these
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    Democratic governors what about the idea
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    of another round of studious payments to
  • 14:29
    American taxpayers directly Democrats of
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    course up on the hill are talking about
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    the idea of a guaranteed income which
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    obviously could go on for months and
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    months and months what about another
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    round barrel tax cuts I've liked that
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    from the beginning that's he's doing
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    this pence move the pulling the pence
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    because clearly the guy wanted to have
  • 14:49
    everybody just get a check and stay home
  • 14:51
    but he's just like yeah I think we
  • 14:52
    should get people more money by cutting
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    their taxes not not even it doesn't even
  • 14:56
    address the actual question what about
  • 14:57
    another round of payroll tax cuts I've
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    liked that from the beginning that was
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    the thing that I really would love to
  • 15:05
    see happen a lot of economists would
  • 15:07
    agree with me a lot of people agree with
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    me and I think frankly it's simple it's
  • 15:12
    not the big distribution and it would
  • 15:14
    really be an incentive for people to
  • 15:16
    come back to work and for employers to
  • 15:18
    hire the double tax on the company and
  • 15:22
    also on the person
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    that's what I like and something like
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    that could happen also I think you have
  • 15:29
    to look because a lot of people are
  • 15:31
    talking to I assume your next question
  • 15:32
    would be about states and Steve and I
  • 15:35
    talked about it and I talked about it
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    with Mitch and with Kevin and with
  • 15:39
    everybody and the problem with the
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    states is we're not looking to recover
  • 15:42
    25 years of bad management and to give
  • 15:45
    them the money that they lost that's
  • 15:48
    unfair to other states now if it's kovat
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    related I guess we can talk about it but
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    we'd want certain things also including
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    sanctuary city adjustments because we
  • 15:57
    have so many people in sanctuary cities
  • 15:59
    which I don't even think are popular
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    even by radical left folks because
  • 16:04
    what's happening is people are being
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    protected that shouldn't be protected
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    and a lot of bad things are happening
  • 16:09
    with sanctuary cities but that's just
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    standing up here answering this question
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    that's one of the things I think about
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    if we're going to do something for the
  • 16:17
    state's I think they'd probably want a
  • 16:20
    something having to do with sanctuary
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    cities something having to do with other
  • 16:24
    different points that we can discuss a
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    little
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    later on hold on a sec he's got the
  • 16:29
    leverage he not only pulled a pinch yeah
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    but he he didn't answer the first
  • 16:35
    question but then he asked himself
  • 16:39
    follow-up is good assume that your next
  • 16:44
    question is and then he answered some
  • 16:48
    vague question nothing to do with
  • 16:49
    anything it was about cities Wow I'm
  • 16:53
    finally learning it a little bit there
  • 16:55
    yeah and I wanted to point out cuz I got
  • 16:58
    so much pushback on the previous show
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    trying to read through what Trump was
  • 17:04
    getting at with the disinfectant and the
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    ultraviolet light and and I don't
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    understand why if I just have a
  • 17:14
    different interpretation of something
  • 17:15
    someone stead and said and I'm trying to
  • 17:18
    work through that why people are angry
  • 17:20
    or disappointed you know it's very odd
  • 17:26
    to me and what you didn't have you
  • 17:29
    weren't interpreting it were just
  • 17:30
    playing it well I was I was interpreting
  • 17:34
    some but yes but verbatim we played it
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    and people get very you know you and of
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    course you get the Trump apology and all
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    that let me just say here's what here's
  • 17:43
    what chickenshit people do they always
  • 17:46
    disclaim it I don't like everything who
  • 17:49
    dies but and I'm not gonna do that
  • 17:52
    when I don't like something else Aidan I
  • 17:54
    didn't like it when I think it's good I
  • 17:55
    think it's good people want us to just
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    rail on this guy and turn on the fucking
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    TV you got enough there oh that's a good
  • 18:02
    point you made this point to some guy
  • 18:03
    who quit the show he says I'm sick of
  • 18:06
    you guys all you do is apologize for
  • 18:08
    Trump you never say anything bad about
  • 18:11
    Trump and by the way it's two different
  • 18:13
    things apologizing or saying something
  • 18:16
    bad are two different things but all
  • 18:19
    said if you want that just turn on the
  • 18:22
    TV turn on Jimmy Kimmel listen to his
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    monologue in the and the second part is
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    were very inconsistent because we was
  • 18:31
    Obama we would have done it differently
  • 18:33
    that's not true in fact we were the one
  • 18:36
    of the few podcasts that went on about
  • 18:38
    how Obama wants to do the right
  • 18:41
    thing in many instances is being forced
  • 18:42
    not to we had a very interesting take on
  • 18:46
    Obama and it was a very positive one and
  • 18:53
    Muslim we made a lot of fun of him and a
  • 18:55
    Muslim we made a lot of fun of him
  • 18:59
    that's for sure
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    but that's okay one more thing Trump
  • 19:04
    handles everything like a CEO CEOs or
  • 19:09
    the brilliant captains of industry as
  • 19:11
    they're known and some are actually
  • 19:12
    really brilliant some aren't it's always
  • 19:14
    debatable a lot of them are weird
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    Zuckerberg Jobs Elon Musk
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    Bill Gates Larry and Sergey we can go on
  • 19:23
    a lot of more weird so they communicate
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    in weird what's the guy from Barry uh
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    come on he owns all the dating sites oh
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    no no no Barry Brahn Barry Switzer now
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    it doesn't know Barry Diller Barry
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    Diller's another one of these a-hole
  • 19:52
    guys yeah I heard from three different
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    people when just before they fired you
  • 19:58
    know fifteen or twenty percent of all of
  • 20:00
    his company staff he came in to talk
  • 20:03
    about how you know the company was you
  • 20:06
    know what they were the future or
  • 20:07
    whatever it was like at like a rose
  • 20:08
    garden speech and all I does is talk
  • 20:10
    about his own issues and his crap and he
  • 20:12
    couldn't build out on the pier and the
  • 20:14
    East River and everyone says the guy
  • 20:15
    isn't an asshole but the company runs
  • 20:18
    well so anyway take that for what it is
  • 20:21
    yeah yeah I don't have to defend myself
  • 20:25
    all we do is deconstruct the news it
  • 20:28
    just so happens that Trump is being
  • 20:30
    lambaste it and call the Clorox drink
  • 20:34
    and also stuff and we deacons trying to
  • 20:36
    look at and say no he's not a Clorox
  • 20:37
    drinker he's never told people to shoot
  • 20:41
    Lysol into their veins it's nonsense but
  • 20:44
    they keep saying it I could go in three
  • 20:48
    different directions right right now
  • 20:51
    I'll just play a teaser
  • 20:54
    Nicole Wallace saying exactly what you
  • 20:56
    just said told people to ingest weight
  • 21:04
    he told people to ingest bleach no he
  • 21:07
    did it no and where was this anyway and
  • 21:10
    he's never used the brand names Clorox
  • 21:12
    or Lysol I might add no no but let's
  • 21:16
    talk about some brand names and some
  • 21:18
    generic names because we had more good
  • 21:20
    news besides I feels good that Texas is
  • 21:23
    opening up well hey we'll take the hit
  • 21:25
    we'll take the risk we'll let you know
  • 21:26
    how it is here at the frontline I'll go
  • 21:28
    in the restaurant oh so scary it's so
  • 21:31
    scary the Pioneer so just I just wrote
  • 21:39
    down a quick little timeline of the
  • 21:41
    pharmaceutical aspect of this scientific
  • 21:44
    / pharmaceutical let's start with our
  • 21:47
    lockdown that was based on the model
  • 21:49
    that was changed four times downgrading
  • 21:54
    from two million potential dead in the
  • 21:56
    United States to sixty one thousand and
  • 21:58
    even if you believe that that initial
  • 22:01
    two million down to two hundred thousand
  • 22:05
    didn't have the mitigation that built
  • 22:09
    into it which is a lie because it did
  • 22:12
    it was built in fine I would like to add
  • 22:15
    the model which was created by Neil
  • 22:17
    Ferguson was based on thirteen year old
  • 22:19
    undocumented code by his own admission
  • 22:22
    very quickly hydroxychloroquine in
  • 22:25
    combination in combination with zinc and
  • 22:28
    also the z-pak was promoted by Trump
  • 22:31
    immediate pushback from everybody we
  • 22:33
    followed it for weeks the media
  • 22:36
    this is nuts it's on it's unfounded and
  • 22:39
    who knows Trump is trying to kill you
  • 22:43
    and of course we had some lady try to
  • 22:46
    kill her husband although we only know
  • 22:47
    that now but people were drinking the
  • 22:49
    fish cleaner so that's how the media
  • 22:51
    responded from the get-go for not us and
  • 22:55
    I think we talked about it what can
  • 22:57
    someone just say hey this if this could
  • 22:58
    be good news this could be very exciting
  • 23:01
    we might have something that we could
  • 23:02
    treat people with Laura waiting for the
  • 23:03
    VAX
  • 23:05
    that didn't happen no trials were funded
  • 23:09
    because it's not worth it the market
  • 23:11
    price has already said it's less than a
  • 23:12
    dollar so that it's very uninteresting
  • 23:16
    and you can't Jack that up because you
  • 23:18
    got people with other diseases like
  • 23:19
    lupus and malaria of course where it's
  • 23:23
    intended for so you can't make so it's
  • 23:24
    it's non-starter and they don't care and
  • 23:26
    we knew from the beginning we heard
  • 23:28
    Gilead from the beginning all from
  • 23:30
    Falchi we heard REM disappear right out
  • 23:34
    of the gate gate right out of the gate
  • 23:37
    gate is a new one so a week well I'll
  • 23:41
    play this first because this happened
  • 23:43
    yesterday
  • 23:44
    unlike the possibility that some good
  • 23:47
    studies out of France and Italy and
  • 23:49
    other countries about hydroxychloroquine
  • 23:53
    know that's been shuffle shuffle to the
  • 23:56
    background and you never heard exciting
  • 23:58
    news it could be a treatment but
  • 24:01
    yesterday this happened he's just coming
  • 24:03
    out of a pool report on some comments
  • 24:05
    that doctor found she just made and he
  • 24:07
    actually seems to be detailing some of
  • 24:08
    the results from that NIAID trial of rim
  • 24:12
    that severe he says quote it's quite
  • 24:14
    good news he says that so the primary
  • 24:17
    endpoint of the trial was the time to
  • 24:19
    improvement and we know that the study
  • 24:21
    meant that goal doctor foul Chi
  • 24:23
    according to the full report saying the
  • 24:24
    time to improvement was 11 days compared
  • 24:27
    with 15 days on placebo saying that 31%
  • 24:31
    improvement is quote very important he's
  • 24:34
    saying this is a drug that can block
  • 24:36
    this virus he also didn't according to
  • 24:39
    this full report notes the mortality
  • 24:40
    rate trended better 8% in the treatment
  • 24:44
    group versus 11% in the placebo group
  • 24:47
    he's saying when you know drug works you
  • 24:49
    have to let people in the placebo but
  • 24:50
    that's a pretty damn small difference
  • 24:53
    between placebo and the control group
  • 24:55
    okay in the placebo group he's saying
  • 24:58
    when you know drug works you have to let
  • 25:00
    people in the placebo group know so they
  • 25:02
    can take it that comment probably
  • 25:04
    explains why we got these results
  • 25:06
    earlier than expected from the NIH we
  • 25:08
    weren't expecting this trial to read out
  • 25:10
    until the end of
  • 25:12
    we're also learning from the pool report
  • 25:13
    that Falchi has compared this to when
  • 25:15
    they first found HIV drugs he's saying
  • 25:18
    this will be the standard of care so
  • 25:20
    this is the announcement that NIH should
  • 25:22
    plan to make later today
  • 25:23
    the president I guess told dr. fountain
  • 25:25
    to describe this just now and we'll
  • 25:27
    bring you of course any more news that
  • 25:29
    we get but this is the first read of
  • 25:31
    that positive NIH study on Gilley ads
  • 25:33
    around a severe and guys this dr.
  • 25:36
    Gottlieb saying this drug could get FDA
  • 25:38
    emergency use authorization immediately
  • 25:40
    based on these results so very
  • 25:42
    encouraging news very encouraging
  • 25:44
    completely the opposite of
  • 25:48
    hydroxychloroquine we really don't have
  • 25:49
    any any details but we got some data the
  • 25:53
    data won't be available till the end of
  • 25:55
    May there's no peer-reviewed study on
  • 25:58
    this but yet we're all in and we might
  • 26:00
    want to remember that the media is
  • 26:03
    mainly living off of certainly now
  • 26:06
    pharmaceutical advertisements so it
  • 26:09
    would make sense that they got a little
  • 26:10
    push because this is very exciting of
  • 26:12
    course what's odd is that just a week
  • 26:16
    ago REM dis aveer came out with very
  • 26:18
    disappointing news that there was no
  • 26:21
    positive news from their initial
  • 26:24
    clinical trials the stock started to
  • 26:26
    sink and I have a report from a week no
  • 26:31
    I didn't tink tank it was sinking it did
  • 26:33
    not take it was about it no it was
  • 26:36
    sinking I wrote this word down
  • 26:38
    specifically because I thought tank
  • 26:40
    would be incorrect
  • 26:41
    it was sinking okay one week ago this is
  • 26:48
    the results that were considered to be
  • 26:52
    poor and possibly tanking the stock from
  • 26:56
    CNN this is a doctor
  • 26:58
    how optimistic should we be at this
  • 27:00
    stage Elisabeth actually I wouldn't be
  • 27:02
    optimistic at all I think we should
  • 27:04
    maintain and even an even outlook
  • 27:08
    could this drug be useful absolutely
  • 27:11
    creditor could it turn out to be useless
  • 27:13
    absolutely let me tell you what happened
  • 27:16
    and then let me talk to you a bit about
  • 27:17
    what happened during the Ebola times
  • 27:19
    because I think it's a good comparison
  • 27:20
    what happened was that there was a video
  • 27:22
    conference as many of us are doing these
  • 27:24
    days about this drug University of
  • 27:26
    Chicago doctors were involved and it was
  • 27:28
    taped and somebody leaked that tape to
  • 27:31
    stat which is a health news website and
  • 27:33
    in that tape we're told now stat didn't
  • 27:35
    post the tape but they wrote about it
  • 27:37
    and they said that all sorts of positive
  • 27:39
    things were said that the patients were
  • 27:41
    recovering more quickly that few of them
  • 27:44
    were dying and that there was a general
  • 27:45
    sort of positive and rosy outlook
  • 27:47
    expressed by this doctor but what this
  • 27:50
    is really is office chatter and we all
  • 27:52
    work in offices and we all know that in
  • 27:54
    offices you get chatter that turns out
  • 27:56
    to be true and you get chatter that
  • 27:58
    turns out to be nothing so the fact that
  • 28:00
    these doctors said this does not mean
  • 28:03
    much and the reason why is that
  • 28:05
    sometimes patients with covin do well as
  • 28:07
    a matter of fact okay I'm not gonna play
  • 28:09
    the whole thing but the important part
  • 28:11
    was the only hearsay analytical
  • 28:15
    anecdotal results from that trial was
  • 28:19
    people recovered four to five days
  • 28:23
    earlier and that was considered
  • 28:27
    disappointing that is exactly what is
  • 28:32
    now by doctor foul she considered to be
  • 28:35
    extremely exciting and promising so much
  • 28:40
    so that he is willing to put his seal of
  • 28:42
    approval on it a month before the actual
  • 28:46
    data comes out and all of the other
  • 28:49
    trials that are taking place now have a
  • 28:51
    new standard of care so we would have
  • 28:54
    normally waited several days until the
  • 28:57
    data gets further the dot the I and
  • 29:00
    cross the T but the day they were not
  • 29:02
    gonna change some of the numbers may
  • 29:03
    change a little but the but the
  • 29:05
    conclusion will not change so he's all
  • 29:08
    in on that now as a small aside I
  • 29:11
    probably should mention that dr. faoud
  • 29:15
    she together with dr. Brix pioneered M
  • 29:19
    lead for
  • 29:20
    years almost two decades now more than
  • 29:24
    that almost 35 years the HIV mission
  • 29:28
    within the health the National Institute
  • 29:31
    of Health and if you know we spoke on
  • 29:34
    the show many times about eight years
  • 29:36
    ago a new treatment came out to treat
  • 29:40
    HIV make you virtually virus free or
  • 29:44
    undetectable please wear a condom even
  • 29:47
    though you take our drug because you
  • 29:48
    don't know that is Truvada so that is a
  • 29:52
    Gilead drug so that's why he even
  • 29:54
    mentioned himself earlier that was
  • 29:58
    another the other doctor said you know
  • 29:59
    it's just kind of like aids yeah because
  • 30:01
    this is following the same path and the
  • 30:05
    same company doing for AIDS by the way
  • 30:09
    well here's what I think the vaccine for
  • 30:11
    AIDS is not gonna happen but here well
  • 30:13
    let me just go down the list a little
  • 30:15
    bit and then I got one more one or two
  • 30:17
    more clips then we're done so remedy
  • 30:19
    severe is back on it does something we
  • 30:23
    don't know how well it does and actually
  • 30:27
    I do have to play this report cuz is one
  • 30:28
    more clue this is from MBC same kind of
  • 30:30
    excitement just excited can't believe it
  • 30:32
    it's so great this morning a promising
  • 30:34
    option between the sickest coronavirus
  • 30:37
    patients promise the president Trump's
  • 30:38
    urging the FDA appears poised to approve
  • 30:41
    the use of REM des aveer an antiviral
  • 30:44
    that has shown positive signs during
  • 30:46
    clinical trials led by the NIH is a
  • 30:49
    medicine that prevents the virus from
  • 30:53
    growing what it is proven is that a drug
  • 30:57
    can block this virus dr. Anthony Fauci
  • 31:00
    the nation's lead infectious disease
  • 31:02
    expert saying there is clear-cut
  • 31:04
    evidence it works we think it's really
  • 31:07
    opening the door to the fact that we now
  • 31:10
    have the capability of treating and I
  • 31:12
    can guarantee you as more people more
  • 31:14
    companies more investigators getting
  • 31:17
    involved it's gonna get better and
  • 31:18
    better the NIH trial involves nearly
  • 31:21
    1,100 patients worldwide so far REM des
  • 31:24
    aver has accelerated median recovery
  • 31:26
    times from 15 to 11 days and at 8% the
  • 31:30
    mortality rate is lower than the 11.6%
  • 31:33
    for those who received
  • 31:34
    placebo this is leading the charge for
  • 31:39
    the global trial Emory University
  • 31:41
    Hospital which had more patients than
  • 31:43
    any other site we've been in contact for
  • 31:46
    several weeks with the top researcher
  • 31:48
    there dr. Aneesh Mehta we now found that
  • 31:51
    Brenda has a significant effect and so
  • 31:53
    we do want to make sure that we offer it
  • 31:55
    to all the patients that would qualify
  • 31:57
    and would get benefit from it it's
  • 31:59
    important to note REM deser beer is not
  • 32:01
    for everybody is for the sickest of the
  • 32:03
    sick in the hospital iu ICU it's only
  • 32:07
    treatable or usable I should say in an
  • 32:09
    IV form you're not gonna see this in a
  • 32:11
    pill form at the local pharmacy the NIH
  • 32:14
    says its study still needs to be
  • 32:15
    peer-reviewed Gilead Sciences is ramping
  • 32:18
    up reduction of the med and now research
  • 32:21
    want to know what researchers want to
  • 32:22
    know how effective it is in combination
  • 32:25
    with other drugs and might that be even
  • 32:27
    more helpful very interesting this is
  • 32:32
    being run I love this just jam it
  • 32:35
    through it's perfect for the
  • 32:37
    pharmaceutical industry perfect for the
  • 32:39
    hospitals because it's not a pill you
  • 32:41
    got you you're dying you got to go in
  • 32:42
    it's the last one it's also $1,000 per
  • 32:45
    treatment so that works out well for
  • 32:47
    them and it and I think because it's
  • 32:50
    this is clearly a pharmaceutical
  • 32:51
    hospital system based treatment this is
  • 32:56
    part of the reason that those two
  • 32:57
    California emergency doctors were
  • 33:00
    vilified I mean they were they weren't
  • 33:03
    just vilified but they were taken off of
  • 33:05
    YouTube as is dr. Erickson and his and
  • 33:09
    his colleague play clips from them last
  • 33:10
    show we did took him off of YouTube we
  • 33:14
    had the a joint statement from the
  • 33:21
    California physicians and I happen to
  • 33:24
    know a little bit about not about these
  • 33:26
    two doctors specifically but their
  • 33:30
    situation they run an emergency medical
  • 33:33
    center
  • 33:34
    and by coincidence I know about you know
  • 33:39
    the emergency medical centers I guess by
  • 33:41
    state or certainly there's probably a
  • 33:43
    National Organization you know they have
  • 33:45
    their own their own Club and the biggest
  • 33:49
    problem they have is the hospitals
  • 33:51
    hate them because hospitals have so many
  • 33:57
    more regulations over what you can do in
  • 33:59
    one of these emergency care centers and
  • 34:01
    for people who don't know if in America
  • 34:03
    you drive by a strip mall and that would
  • 34:05
    be all of a sudden you see like an
  • 34:06
    emergency room you can go in for your
  • 34:08
    broken leg or whatever else you can go
  • 34:10
    in for treatment and but these are
  • 34:12
    independent and so these guys own not
  • 34:14
    just that one but a couple of them and
  • 34:16
    these and the hospital the doctors came
  • 34:19
    out and said these guys are clearly just
  • 34:20
    trying to promote it for their own
  • 34:21
    financial benefit there's nothing in the
  • 34:24
    science that proves any of this is true
  • 34:26
    so they really just reduce reading
  • 34:29
    statistics what is he dogged about no so
  • 34:32
    I think while Bill Gates is over here
  • 34:36
    with everybody working on the vaccine I
  • 34:40
    have a feeling because of the fast-track
  • 34:42
    FDA because of well you heard their
  • 34:45
    Trump's endorsement I think he had he
  • 34:47
    had he cut a deal all right good you do
  • 34:51
    this we promote this he may not even say
  • 34:53
    anything about hydroxy anymore it's very
  • 34:55
    possible but this means we're moving
  • 34:58
    ahead we can open up because we have a
  • 35:00
    fix we have a cure we have something
  • 35:02
    never mind the fact that
  • 35:05
    hydroxychloroquine may actually have
  • 35:06
    some prophylactic features and this drug
  • 35:10
    doesn't but I think that's I think
  • 35:13
    that's what happened and now he is going
  • 35:16
    to leverage this he has all the leverage
  • 35:18
    over foul Chi we'll talk about that much
  • 35:20
    later I'm sure we get to China and the
  • 35:23
    and the lab I think this is a good sign
  • 35:27
    I think I think it means full full speed
  • 35:30
    ahead and I have from this answer your
  • 35:33
    question a little bit better where'd
  • 35:35
    this come from from Bloomberg
  • 35:38
    the the Trump administration is
  • 35:40
    organizing a Manhattan Project style
  • 35:43
    effort to drastically cut the time
  • 35:44
    needed to develop a corona virus vaccine
  • 35:47
    with the goal of making enough doses for
  • 35:49
    most Americans by year's end called
  • 35:51
    Operation warp-speed
  • 35:53
    no brush speech the program will pull
  • 35:58
    together private pharmaceutical
  • 36:00
    companies government agencies and the
  • 36:01
    military to try to cut the development
  • 36:03
    time for vaccine by as much as eight
  • 36:06
    months according to people familiar with
  • 36:09
    the matter take the AIDS vaccine coming
  • 36:12
    by the way
  • 36:13
    well it's very--it's it appears to be
  • 36:16
    very hard just to find and locate the
  • 36:18
    virus HIV he's always been a complicated
  • 36:22
    thing to wrap this up from our No Agenda
  • 36:26
    pharmacist you may recall he was
  • 36:28
    creating a protocol for his emergency
  • 36:30
    doctors in the hospital system where he
  • 36:31
    works
  • 36:32
    he of course followed up with me once
  • 36:34
    the remedy severe news came out Adam my
  • 36:36
    trial got killed because of the bullcrap
  • 36:39
    VA study and now how she is saying that
  • 36:42
    REM de severe is a clear-cut winner and
  • 36:44
    game changer based off pretty much a
  • 36:46
    press release by Gilead trial results
  • 36:49
    won't be ready until May we're being
  • 36:50
    robbed of hcq that's hydroxychloroquine
  • 36:53
    clinical trial you can see yeah but they
  • 36:56
    can still use it a lot of doctors are
  • 36:57
    prescribing it anyway yes the clinical
  • 37:00
    trials he's being robbed of that part is
  • 37:03
    gone clearly these guys strung me along
  • 37:07
    long enough to delay the trial and then
  • 37:09
    abruptly killed it off based off this
  • 37:11
    bullcrap retrospective study in the VA
  • 37:14
    that wasn't peer review didn't show
  • 37:15
    durations of therapy dosing and the
  • 37:18
    sickest of the sick received hcq
  • 37:20
    compared to the control group bias
  • 37:21
    everywhere interestingly if you look at
  • 37:25
    that report did he say that they were
  • 37:30
    giving him a C Q in addition to the
  • 37:32
    other stuff he had a protocol here the
  • 37:36
    protocol was Inc yeah I wasn't just hcq
  • 37:38
    he had a protocol no I'm talking about
  • 37:39
    they were in dis aveer remedy severe at
  • 37:43
    the very end of the report you heard
  • 37:44
    they would be probably trying it with
  • 37:46
    other drugs which to me means if AC q
  • 37:49
    yeah no no is Inc probably
  • 37:51
    hcq is really only opening things up to
  • 37:54
    get the zinc in that's what I am Not
  • 37:57
    sure I'm not sure that's what the case
  • 37:59
    is I think they work together well this
  • 38:00
    is yeah they work together where well
  • 38:03
    neither of us have any business
  • 38:05
    discussing and discussing that are no
  • 38:07
    agenda the pharmacist was there actually
  • 38:09
    prescribing of what's actually working
  • 38:10
    based on anecdotal information which
  • 38:13
    nobody wants to base anything on int so
  • 38:16
    he sent me the the VA study which isn't
  • 38:20
    you know not peer reviewed half the
  • 38:22
    people in there on the Gilead payroll
  • 38:26
    it's really interesting and again it's
  • 38:30
    not - it's not peer reviewed but here's
  • 38:33
    the thing that he wrote in addition that
  • 38:35
    I thought was kind of scary or
  • 38:37
    interesting at best my current
  • 38:40
    hypothesis about the virus is that it is
  • 38:43
    an immune modulator that stimulates a
  • 38:47
    cytokine storm which we know it does and
  • 38:50
    that's your own immune system freaking
  • 38:52
    out that either throws your lungs into
  • 38:55
    acute respiratory disease syndrome and
  • 38:59
    then they turn into stiff thick grey
  • 39:03
    sacs of fibrin and clots in your lungs
  • 39:07
    or your blood ends up clotting from the
  • 39:11
    systemic inflammation and you stroke out
  • 39:13
    or have a heart attack and then we've
  • 39:15
    heard reports of that and he sent along
  • 39:18
    a document of an autopsy with pictures I
  • 39:21
    might add which will be in the show
  • 39:22
    notes for you of of the lungs of us some
  • 39:27
    unfortunate person who got all this
  • 39:29
    clotting and you can really see what's
  • 39:31
    going on inside these lungs and he says
  • 39:33
    he's continuing with his protocol is
  • 39:36
    just as no longer a funded trial and
  • 39:38
    he's going to continue to keep us
  • 39:40
    updated on what's happening and then the
  • 39:42
    other you know other people wacky people
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    like Trump in Australia former member of
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    parliament Clive Palmer peace he's still
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    all in on hydroxychloroquine he's tried
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    big cars and big billboards now cause
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    comas big splash announcing he spent big
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    cash the former MP claiming he's
  • 40:03
    purchased nearly 30
  • 40:05
    three million doses of
  • 40:06
    hydroxychloroquine an anti-malaria drug
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    that's been trialed on covered 19 and
  • 40:11
    championed by Donald Trump may work may
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    network I feel good about it so it is
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    just a feeling I do know I'm a smart guy
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    I feel good about it since then studies
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    in America and France showed the drug
  • 40:25
    had little impact on coronavirus
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    patients lie that's a lie if France had
  • 40:31
    exactly the opposite had a positive
  • 40:33
    result it's complete how can somebody
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    just go on and lie like that is okay if
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    somebody's doing that that means there
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    is an agenda yeah and white but why
  • 40:42
    would anybody you know these reporters
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    let's just start with this they're not
  • 40:46
    getting paid they don't get a check from
  • 40:49
    gilead they're not getting money under
  • 40:51
    the table to still lie like this what
  • 40:55
    are you talking about they're getting
  • 40:56
    money in the form of ads and they're
  • 40:58
    being told the reporters get none of
  • 41:00
    that money they keep their job and
  • 41:03
    they're told to stay in line yeah well
  • 41:05
    that's about all it amounts to but they
  • 41:07
    can keep their job other ways I meant
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    just if they were bonusing the guy for
  • 41:13
    lying I would say well there you go what
  • 41:15
    are you gonna do it's just the way it
  • 41:17
    goes but no this guy is lying for just
  • 41:20
    he's just lying it's just amazing to me
  • 41:23
    is it not that I'm is a mercantilist I
  • 41:26
    think you get paid to be like don't be a
  • 41:28
    liar is it I think you need to be paid
  • 41:30
    to be a liar is it possible that there
  • 41:33
    was no research done and they're just
  • 41:35
    taking whatever the New York Times wrote
  • 41:37
    yes okay
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    second I have a question you mentioned
  • 41:41
    that even if they don't say do what
  • 41:44
    their boss tells them they have other
  • 41:46
    ways to keep their job does that involve
  • 41:48
    some kind of sexual favors or what is
  • 41:50
    your thinking on that yes you'd have to
  • 41:52
    give blowjobs
  • 41:53
    it's media after all this media would
  • 41:57
    expect especially in broadcasting
  • 41:58
    America and France showed the drug had
  • 42:00
    little impact on coronavirus patients
  • 42:03
    while last week a Brazilian study was
  • 42:05
    halted when 16 people died after being
  • 42:08
    administered high doses of
  • 42:10
    hydroxychloroquine interestingly in
  • 42:13
    Brazil they have extremely
  • 42:15
    low numbers the mortality rate it's
  • 42:18
    between two and three my risk we're
  • 42:21
    worrying about is it affects the
  • 42:23
    electrical conduction system in the
  • 42:25
    heart of your in high doses so you can
  • 42:27
    suddenly have what we call an arrhythmia
  • 42:28
    and effectively a heart attack that
  • 42:30
    kills you goes completely against what
  • 42:33
    Artin no agenda pharmacist just said he
  • 42:36
    says it's because of clotting because of
  • 42:38
    the continual severe infection this guy
  • 42:42
    something at the electrical system hmm
  • 42:45
    technically a heart attack that kills
  • 42:47
    you at this time of national crisis in
  • 42:49
    our country mr. Palmer is quoted all
  • 42:51
    Australians must do whatever they can to
  • 42:53
    help their fellow Australians I have
  • 42:55
    thanked him and he's made a very
  • 42:58
    generous offer to the national medical
  • 42:59
    stockpile it's being assessed on to
  • 43:02
    France those fronts will be an expert
  • 43:04
    panel and clinical trials but American
  • 43:07
    authorities are warning against
  • 43:08
    stockpiling hydroxychloroquine say it
  • 43:10
    could lead to a shortage for those that
  • 43:12
    actually need the drug for malaria
  • 43:13
    typhus what what'd you say anyone eat
  • 43:17
    that drug and rheumatoid arthritis we
  • 43:20
    really have to be very thoughtful and
  • 43:22
    make sure we follow the science and the
  • 43:25
    evidence Clive Palmer declined to
  • 43:28
    comment letting his ads do the talking
  • 43:30
    today I thought it was interesting that
  • 43:32
    he bought 33 million and we've had so
  • 43:37
    many 33 33 33 million
  • 43:46
    and actually it was it was the the the
  • 43:49
    reports at 33 I think it was two million
  • 43:52
    nine hundred and you know two million
  • 43:54
    nine hundred thousand five itself very
  • 43:56
    close to thirty three very close there's
  • 44:01
    lots more to talk about but I think we
  • 44:02
    should mix it up a little bit I know I'd
  • 44:04
    like to have some fun first on this
  • 44:06
    topic because you brought up Ferguson a
  • 44:08
    minute ago and so I found this clip of
  • 44:10
    Katie Hopkins who is the the ex LBC
  • 44:14
    commentator right wing woman who's who
  • 44:19
    uses British good mocks everything is
  • 44:22
    she's in too much she does everything a
  • 44:23
    mocking style and so she did this thing
  • 44:26
    kind of a condemnation of this Ferguson
  • 44:29
    guy the Imperial College and I so i
  • 44:33
    retweeted or i posted it i retweeted it
  • 44:36
    on Twitter and imediately get a bunch of
  • 44:39
    people coming back at me with ad-hoc
  • 44:42
    attacks on Katie Hopkins not questioning