Art for episode 1248

1248: Peak Whiteness

Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

3h 22m
June 4th, 2020
0:00 0:00
Share at 0:00

Executive Producers: Sir Nathan of the Dog Pack, Sir Del, Travis Mercer, Jenee Massey

Associate Executive Producers: Sir Quoia, Bryan Reilly, Sean O'Connell, Dean Reiner, Ryan Miller, Knight of Twin Peaks, Sir BillyBon3s, Sir Tyler Fox, Viscount of the Airways, Nicholas Galante, Sir Texas Dragon, Jon Lucas

Cover Art by Darren O'Neill

Visit the Shownotes for episode 1248

Chapters

0:00
Start of Show
Woodstock
  • 0:00
    peaceful peaceful peaceful Adam curry
  • 0:02
    John C. Dvorak this is no agenda curry
  • 0:23
    and from northern Silicon Valley where
  • 0:26
    the watchword is peaceful I'm John C
  • 0:29
    Dvorak peaceful yeah you notice I have
  • 0:38
    three super clips on today's show
  • 0:40
    Supercuts and today's show super cuts
  • 0:43
    yeah we love super cuts man I was
  • 0:47
    looking for a specific one and in the
  • 0:49
    process I found three I didn't really
  • 0:51
    want but they're pretty good so I'm
  • 0:53
    gonna put him in here but the one I was
  • 0:55
    looking for was a supercut of and people
  • 0:59
    should pay attention to this the amount
  • 1:01
    of times the mainstream media uses the
  • 1:04
    word peaceful demonstration peaceful
  • 1:08
    protesters peaceful peaceful peaceful
  • 1:10
    peaceful peaceful peaceful and then they
  • 1:13
    show looting yeah uh and they had
  • 1:15
    whining guy on CNN
  • 1:17
    I swear that valley guy whatever says
  • 1:19
    he's got a funny looking guy with a big
  • 1:21
    it looks like egghead he's standing in
  • 1:24
    front of a burning building fire that's
  • 1:33
    unbelievable so did you want to do
  • 1:35
    supercut sir can we talk about my my
  • 1:37
    morning prophet was first because
  • 1:39
    throughout this show because we had to
  • 1:40
    talk about my morning problem there's a
  • 1:42
    lot to talk about obviously this is a
  • 1:43
    but you have a situation that occurred
  • 1:46
    that I think is worth discussing yes I
  • 1:49
    have some thoughts on it okay so I woke
  • 1:51
    up this morning as I do around 5:30 on
  • 1:55
    show day and you know I I've got my my
  • 1:58
    systems all ready to go and so now I
  • 2:01
    have to go sort through and of course I
  • 2:03
    use a lot of email email is one of my
  • 2:05
    main tools is it's how we there's a
  • 2:09
    feedback loop we have with all the
  • 2:10
    producers around the world
  • 2:12
    and I wake up to 20,000 emails and
  • 2:14
    counting every minute there's fifty to a
  • 2:17
    hundred new emails coming into my inbox
  • 2:19
    and by the way is funny but it's a
  • 2:24
    nightmare
  • 2:24
    well what's what's happened and it's
  • 2:28
    it's all fixable
  • 2:29
    so first of all right away I got a hold
  • 2:32
    of void zero I'm like dude something's
  • 2:34
    going on we've got to stop because my
  • 2:37
    disk was running out
  • 2:38
    it was the emails with attachments that
  • 2:40
    just this stuff is filling up filling up
  • 2:42
    so we change the MX record and send
  • 2:45
    stuff over to one of his servers you
  • 2:47
    know servers that can handle everything
  • 2:49
    so we can at least figure out what's
  • 2:51
    going on
  • 2:51
    so what someone has done it's it's
  • 2:54
    actually quite ingenious is they have
  • 2:58
    some kind of BOTS or script running that
  • 3:00
    goes to any newsletter or website that
  • 3:05
    you can sign up for and there's a lot of
  • 3:07
    standard URLs for this stuff in the
  • 3:09
    backend so it may be wordpress.com slash
  • 3:12
    signup slash question mark email address
  • 3:16
    and so that thing is just running and
  • 3:18
    it's it's subscribing me to thousands of
  • 3:22
    email lists I'm signed up for all kinds
  • 3:26
    of e-commerce stores I mean this is a
  • 3:28
    really nasty one nasty why what did you
  • 3:36
    discuss most recently with no facts
  • 3:40
    well I'm sure someone's pissed off about
  • 3:43
    either well just pissed off at me for
  • 3:45
    some reason we of course we discussed
  • 3:47
    the black and white issues as we always
  • 3:49
    do I'm sure it was controversial for
  • 3:51
    someone but maybe it was you know
  • 3:53
    something that was said here someone is
  • 3:55
    angry someone's very angry and deployed
  • 3:58
    this and it's that's not a simple thing
  • 4:00
    although it could be done fairly simply
  • 4:03
    but still you have to have there's a lie
  • 4:04
    mean it's just incredible how fast it's
  • 4:07
    all coming in well you know the
  • 4:09
    possibility exists that there is not a
  • 4:14
    robot out there about out there going
  • 4:16
    and doing these things on real time but
  • 4:19
    actually a giant database where
  • 4:22
    somebody's accumulated these these all
  • 4:25
    these sites and wait with the one click
  • 4:28
    is your email address in there and it
  • 4:30
    just hits the database and then you get
  • 4:32
    all this stuff just streaming at you as
  • 4:34
    fast as it can
  • 4:35
    it'd be something you'd find I could
  • 4:38
    imagine somebody dreaming this up and
  • 4:39
    everything is you maybe just a test case
  • 4:41
    I never heard this one well I haven't
  • 4:43
    either neither had had void 0 but just
  • 4:46
    to give you an example so I'm just
  • 4:47
    looking at so since we started the show
  • 4:49
    600 emails have come in so your account
  • 4:53
    on Hamilton wholesale meat there's a lot
  • 4:57
    of Russian ones
  • 4:59
    [Music]
  • 5:01
    welcome to praxis test just a test
  • 5:04
    welcome to Armand stamp comude common of
  • 5:06
    a hundred and fifteen BC we're glad to
  • 5:10
    have you here says the blaze or I've
  • 5:12
    been subscribed to the blaze several
  • 5:14
    times god this is clearly someone who
  • 5:18
    wants to just mess with me verify
  • 5:21
    contact us oh man it's insane newsletter
  • 5:25
    subscription success thank you for your
  • 5:26
    message
  • 5:28
    so you get you get you will that's
  • 5:32
    interesting
  • 5:33
    well something we'll some email lists
  • 5:36
    subscribe you without a confirmation
  • 5:39
    without you clicking on the link yes I'm
  • 5:42
    also getting a lot of saying hey you're
  • 5:44
    already subscribed so it's cycling
  • 5:46
    through its list is cycling through its
  • 5:48
    database or has double inch entries hey
  • 5:53
    you're already subscribed well it
  • 5:56
    doesn't make any difference you want
  • 5:57
    that because then you get you keep
  • 5:59
    pounding the person yeah yes yes yes
  • 6:02
    it's just verify email address you could
  • 6:05
    just in fact if you wanted to you could
  • 6:07
    just put one name on there just have a
  • 6:10
    pound that one name and keep sending a
  • 6:12
    message that you're already subscribed
  • 6:14
    yeah to infinity and I mean you don't
  • 6:16
    have to even go through all this extra
  • 6:17
    rigmarole well what's interesting
  • 6:19
    interesting FX fascinating it what's
  • 6:22
    cool about it is that you can't really
  • 6:23
    block it yeah you can't you just can't
  • 6:26
    block all these IP addresses that are
  • 6:29
    connecting to the server because yeah
  • 6:31
    they're coming from legitimate companies
  • 6:34
    you know I but this distributed so you
  • 6:36
    there's no range that you can that you
  • 6:39
    can block or anything like that so we're
  • 6:41
    just gonna do Bayesian filter on it all
  • 6:43
    and and run it into that run it all the
  • 6:46
    way down to the ground unless it stops I
  • 6:48
    may never stop I mean this could go on
  • 6:50
    forever if it's it's easy to put it up
  • 6:52
    that's a pretty simple application it
  • 6:56
    wastes too much bandwidth on the other
  • 6:57
    end it has to stop at some point yeah so
  • 7:00
    anyway to answer your question on mole
  • 7:03
    facts we talked of course about what's
  • 7:05
    going on it's not a one episode type
  • 7:08
    thing so it's ongoing but we really
  • 7:11
    discuss a lot what data's you do the
  • 7:13
    less mo facts Tuesday Tuesday so June
  • 7:16
    2nd we talked about it sounds like
  • 7:20
    they're bright propagation time for it
  • 7:22
    to get around and somebody that we could
  • 7:24
    well I'll give you the synopsis and then
  • 7:27
    if you don't mind I'll just go into
  • 7:28
    someone who explicit so we did two to
  • 7:31
    almost three hours about what is
  • 7:33
    blackness what is black why did why do
  • 7:35
    you have to be a color I mean into
  • 7:37
    it really took me almost two hours
  • 7:41
    and that's mo facts without him curry if
  • 7:43
    anyone wants to listen to the show which
  • 7:44
    I recommend you do took me almost two
  • 7:47
    hours to figure out that what he was
  • 7:49
    really saying is that all of this
  • 7:51
    doesn't really come down to color or
  • 7:55
    race but class and he was very elegant
  • 7:58
    in the way he explained that and of
  • 8:01
    course it fits in with with all the
  • 8:03
    different things that we've talked about
  • 8:04
    in that show over the past half year or
  • 8:07
    so but it really all boys that boils
  • 8:09
    down to poor people and poor people are
  • 8:12
    being made poorer and being marginalized
  • 8:15
    and of course ah Bertie is the Republic
  • 8:17
    yeah poverty is the wish to talk about
  • 8:19
    it well Bob Woodson who is a he's older
  • 8:23
    he's like in his 80s now he's a civil
  • 8:25
    rights activist I don't know exactly the
  • 8:28
    extent of his civil rights activism but
  • 8:30
    he's definitely been around he was on
  • 8:33
    c-span all the time so that I guess he's
  • 8:35
    an authority and I have a couple of
  • 8:38
    clips that really boiled down to what
  • 8:41
    Moe and I discussed but it's much
  • 8:44
    shorter so this is him on the the
  • 8:46
    history of the cities where these riots
  • 8:48
    are taking place which to him no
  • 8:51
    surprise were run by Liberal Democrats
  • 8:54
    as a veteran of the civil rights
  • 8:56
    movement one of the great promises we
  • 8:58
    weave we gave to low-income blacks is
  • 9:02
    that if you were to elect blacks to
  • 9:04
    public office through Voting Rights Act
  • 9:08
    and we were running those institutions
  • 9:10
    that all of black America would be
  • 9:13
    better off in the past 50 years 22
  • 9:17
    trillion dollars have been spent the
  • 9:18
    poverty program seventy percent goes not
  • 9:20
    to the poor but those who served for
  • 9:22
    people so many of those people taking
  • 9:24
    office use this money to create a class
  • 9:28
    of people who are running these cities
  • 9:31
    and now after 50 years of Liberal
  • 9:35
    Democrats running the inner cities where
  • 9:37
    we have all of these inequities that we
  • 9:39
    have race is being used as a ruse as a
  • 9:44
    means of deflecting attention away from
  • 9:46
    critical questions such as why our poor
  • 9:49
    blacks fail
  • 9:50
    systems run by their own people if race
  • 9:53
    was an issue even a criminal justice
  • 9:55
    system and if we continue to look at
  • 9:58
    life through a racial prism when when
  • 10:02
    evil wears a black face it will escape
  • 10:04
    protection and therefore correction and
  • 10:08
    this discrimination based upon color
  • 10:11
    because a lot of it you know this is
  • 10:13
    literally about describing people based
  • 10:15
    upon color and then lumping him in
  • 10:18
    politically and saying you're all you
  • 10:20
    know one color y'all black or people of
  • 10:22
    color but in the early 70s there were
  • 10:25
    still historically black colleges and
  • 10:28
    universities that would not admit
  • 10:31
    african-americans to a black college
  • 10:33
    african-americans if they didn't pass
  • 10:35
    the brown paper bag test which means if
  • 10:38
    your skin tone was darker than a brown
  • 10:40
    paper bag you were not admitted to the
  • 10:42
    black college so you have to understand
  • 10:45
    that these things this this classism
  • 10:47
    because that's really what it is is you
  • 10:49
    know you're poor and there's a whole
  • 10:53
    bunch of historical reasons why some
  • 10:54
    very dark-skinned African Americans are
  • 10:57
    poorer than others and it really goes
  • 11:00
    all the way through to what we're seeing
  • 11:02
    today here is the truth about
  • 11:06
    Minneapolis what is happening now after
  • 11:08
    these initial riots same guy Bob Woodson
  • 11:11
    when you have low-income people and
  • 11:14
    these people like in the the Phillips
  • 11:17
    section of Minneapolis and and and these
  • 11:21
    are our ethnic neighborhoods business
  • 11:24
    centers that have been wiped out people
  • 11:27
    cannot get to the stores now and they
  • 11:30
    are crying out and they're saying when
  • 11:32
    everyone goes home and the cameras are
  • 11:35
    gone and the civil rights grace for even
  • 11:37
    celebrities you know have done what they
  • 11:41
    have done low-income people are the ones
  • 11:44
    who are suffering and already and they
  • 11:48
    will continue to suffer and that's why
  • 11:50
    we must confront this and a lot of loud
  • 11:53
    race we must do racialize race and we
  • 11:56
    must desegregate poverty and it really
  • 11:59
    irks me when I hear this that so many of
  • 12:02
    these kids I'll just call them kids
  • 12:04
    after they protested and spray-painted
  • 12:07
    and maybe helped burn and ride a little
  • 12:09
    bit they all went home and they all took
  • 12:11
    their skateboard money and they donated
  • 12:13
    to the bailout fund for the true evil
  • 12:17
    people who are really doing crazy shit
  • 12:18
    and even worse they didn't donate
  • 12:22
    directly to some bailout fund no they
  • 12:25
    donated to acts blue acts blue who
  • 12:29
    sucked that money up right away you
  • 12:31
    think that's gonna go to a bailout fund
  • 12:33
    oh please
  • 12:35
    so stupid how dumb can you be
  • 12:38
    so Bob Woodson left the civil rights
  • 12:39
    movement for a number of reasons which
  • 12:41
    he details here I left the movement
  • 12:43
    because I realized that many of the
  • 12:47
    people who suffered most poor blacks did
  • 12:49
    not benefit from the change that their
  • 12:52
    demographics was used by some of those
  • 12:55
    leaders it's more class than at this
  • 12:56
    race and so they used it and and now
  • 13:00
    race is being used to deflect the
  • 13:02
    tensions away from the failures of
  • 13:04
    people running those institutions the
  • 13:06
    question is why are black kids failing
  • 13:09
    in school systems run by their own
  • 13:11
    people when Eric Holder was the US
  • 13:14
    attorney in Washington DC a lot of young
  • 13:17
    people were shot by the police but they
  • 13:19
    were black police shooting black kids
  • 13:21
    and not one was prosecuted but there was
  • 13:24
    no public outcry because as long as
  • 13:27
    it'll illegality or evil whereas a black
  • 13:31
    face then it escapes detection and
  • 13:33
    that's what's wrong with looking through
  • 13:35
    life through the prism of race and so
  • 13:39
    then the logical conclusion is what is
  • 13:42
    really going on here you know I really
  • 13:45
    think it's white guilt and and they it's
  • 13:48
    it's it's it's really a white guilt and
  • 13:51
    also it's an easy out there are two
  • 13:55
    people that I think are destroying this
  • 13:57
    country and that are guilty white people
  • 14:00
    and angry rich entitled blacks who who
  • 14:07
    continue to play the race card
  • 14:10
    then and they don't have to live with
  • 14:12
    the consequences of their advocacy when
  • 14:16
    they're talking about the worst thing
  • 14:18
    that can happen with Feliz right now
  • 14:21
    it's very ironic that as police
  • 14:24
    nullification occur and they don't
  • 14:26
    patrol in those community the murder
  • 14:27
    rate goes up and so actually when they
  • 14:31
    talk when these middle-class people who
  • 14:33
    live in safe communities are villainize
  • 14:36
    the police and then but low-income
  • 14:39
    people have to the murder rate goes up
  • 14:42
    less police more black-on-black crime
  • 14:44
    more black on black deaths
  • 14:46
    poor people are being hustled by these
  • 14:48
    middle-class politicians as Malcolm X
  • 14:51
    said that being bamboozled scammed could
  • 14:54
    winked in one day that sleeping giant is
  • 14:57
    going to wake up and understand who the
  • 14:59
    real culprit is and it is people who
  • 15:01
    look like them who are failing to use
  • 15:04
    their their positions to to profit the
  • 15:08
    least of God's children instead they're
  • 15:10
    using it to benefit themselves and their
  • 15:12
    own group make no mistake it is
  • 15:16
    happening it is so well done and so well
  • 15:20
    prepared through years of indoctrination
  • 15:23
    in the education system movies tell all
  • 15:26
    of Hollywood all entertainment that
  • 15:29
    people went out on in the dam in
  • 15:32
    Amsterdam in Rotterdam shaming American
  • 15:35
    cops
  • 15:38
    I mean these people have to do with our
  • 15:42
    business and there's enough racism
  • 15:45
    issues in the Netherlands they got
  • 15:47
    enough problems but no London to London
  • 15:50
    had the same thing a hundred thousand or
  • 15:52
    plus people yeah hall it makes no sense
  • 15:56
    to me well I blamed the whole thing on
  • 15:58
    international conspiracy yes yes but the
  • 16:02
    highlight of it would be an T fan I have
  • 16:05
    a series of clips ah yes you have you
  • 16:09
    tease that in the newsletter by the way
  • 16:10
    I'm sorry I did not as promised send you
  • 16:13
    a picture of me with my crazy mask
  • 16:16
    there's another newsletter around the
  • 16:18
    corner it's always just around the
  • 16:21
    corner that newsletter is yeah so let's
  • 16:24
    talk about uh aunty fire on Tifa a tea
  • 16:28
    party fire where somebody has some weird
  • 16:30
    pronunciate actually I have a kind of a
  • 16:33
    background or do you want a quick
  • 16:34
    background or yes please
  • 16:37
    this was it's actually Jack for sobic
  • 16:40
    for Sobiech what's his name for sobic
  • 16:43
    who's on twitter a lot and I'm not sure
  • 16:46
    exactly what he does he's probably one
  • 16:49
    of those Candice Owens outfits or
  • 16:51
    something he was on the podcast and he
  • 17:02
    explained because my caps
  • 17:20
    all right enough freakin Dvorak so he
  • 17:24
    was on that show didn't sound as bad as
  • 17:26
    we just made it sound but he has a lot
  • 17:28
    of he's done a lot of study on anti-fog
  • 17:31
    which of course goes back a long time
  • 17:33
    aunt Eva was originally constituted in
  • 17:36
    in Germany in the 1930s they were they
  • 17:39
    were an arm of the Communists from from
  • 17:41
    the Bolsheviks really from Russia that
  • 17:43
    were sent over the NKVD was it was
  • 17:46
    involved in setting them up as well as
  • 17:47
    did the German Communist Party their
  • 17:49
    role was to destabilize the Weimar
  • 17:52
    Republic that was the entire point of an
  • 17:54
    T for their a destabilization force and
  • 17:58
    then we saw that we saw a resurgence of
  • 17:59
    antiva in the early 90s the late 90s the
  • 18:01
    Battle of Seattle we then saw another
  • 18:04
    than through the Occupy movement which
  • 18:06
    of course was an international movement
  • 18:08
    in both Europe in the United States
  • 18:09
    Canada in the United States we see an
  • 18:11
    teefin Canada now we see an T fo you and
  • 18:13
    I have come up and come up against a
  • 18:15
    antifa in London and now we've seen that
  • 18:17
    just a massive resurgence in this
  • 18:19
    movement we've even seen and I've done a
  • 18:22
    lot of reporting on this and
  • 18:23
    documentation of Antipa traveling to
  • 18:26
    Syria to fight with a intern
  • 18:29
    designated terror group the PKK and
  • 18:31
    received training from them they were
  • 18:33
    sort of attempting to recreate the
  • 18:35
    Spanish Civil War in in northwestern
  • 18:37
    Syria what's odd is that there's not a
  • 18:40
    single politician except for Donald
  • 18:43
    Trump then of course that's probably why
  • 18:44
    that actually recognizes this danger
  • 18:48
    that I can tell of an T file that it's
  • 18:50
    organized it's not just a couple of
  • 18:52
    LARPers I mean there is there oh it's
  • 19:01
    just the concept of peace movement
  • 19:04
    there's nobody behind this designing all
  • 19:07
    those logos oh do you mean the ones that
  • 19:10
    date back to the 30s no that was stole
  • 19:13
    yeah from the the idea might be it might
  • 19:17
    be who knows it might be a COINTELPRO
  • 19:19
    operation that is designed to create the
  • 19:21
    same situation that has them Germany
  • 19:23
    with Marit always of Hitler well I'm
  • 19:24
    sure the proceed we receive ik didn't
  • 19:26
    say that without reason and that's very
  • 19:29
    possible and but just if you look the
  • 19:32
    thing is look at the data look at the
  • 19:34
    actual numbers of who's getting killed
  • 19:36
    by who and look at it by color it's out
  • 19:39
    there you'll see that it's really it's
  • 19:42
    first of all we've done much better over
  • 19:44
    the past ten years yeh America but the
  • 19:47
    the extent of white cops killing black
  • 19:50
    people is much lower than any other
  • 19:54
    statistic and I don't care how many
  • 19:57
    people say yeah but they're not
  • 19:58
    represented this presented look of the
  • 20:00
    no this is about poor Peter yeah that's
  • 20:03
    bit covered by a number of pizzas but
  • 20:05
    it's but but you can't you can't talk
  • 20:07
    any sense into any of these these people
  • 20:09
    you can't no way we knew it gets worse I
  • 20:14
    mean now we're in at this point where if
  • 20:18
    you we already had this happening but
  • 20:20
    now we went from you know if you're if
  • 20:23
    you don't say anything you're complicit
  • 20:25
    you remember that that eventually
  • 20:26
    brought Taylor Swift out to say
  • 20:28
    something about how how much she hates
  • 20:30
    Trump but now the slogan is silence is
  • 20:34
    violence I mean that's am you speak
  • 20:38
    right there
  • 20:40
    silence is violence holy crap I can't I
  • 20:46
    I did there's a movie I linked you in
  • 20:49
    the newsletter that's the news which is
  • 20:52
    the the RAM movie it's the revolutionary
  • 20:57
    above abolitionist movement yeah which
  • 21:00
    is yes yes yes yes it is themselves the
  • 21:03
    the radical arm of an Tifa with allies
  • 21:07
    in black lives matter and it seems to
  • 21:09
    all stem from another group which is the
  • 21:11
    International revolutionary people's
  • 21:13
    guerrilla forces which is an
  • 21:15
    international operation which I can
  • 21:17
    assure you it's behind those right those
  • 21:19
    demonstrations yes at some level in
  • 21:22
    Holland
  • 21:23
    oh they have to be there and absolutely
  • 21:26
    but you know you can see them you see
  • 21:28
    that it's the same uniform it's always
  • 21:30
    the same and there's one other
  • 21:33
    interesting aspect did you notice that
  • 21:36
    pretty much everybody had a mask on
  • 21:40
    mostly you have to wear a mask man six
  • 21:42
    feet apart a little distancing well yeah
  • 21:45
    so obviously always worn masks so an
  • 21:49
    teef is always were thank you and now
  • 21:51
    every one of these so-called protesters
  • 21:54
    all these fortnight kiddies which i
  • 21:58
    think is a lot more like fortnight than
  • 21:59
    it was you know traditional LARPing they
  • 22:01
    all had their Co vid masks on and I was
  • 22:04
    reading a very interesting article about
  • 22:08
    masks and the article first it compares
  • 22:12
    it to how people are and how they
  • 22:15
    respond to other people when they're
  • 22:17
    inside their car and the example of
  • 22:19
    course was road rage where you yell at
  • 22:21
    people you shake your fist cuz now
  • 22:22
    you're kind of protected Oh even though
  • 22:24
    you're not really but you've got some
  • 22:27
    glass around you so when you wear a mask
  • 22:29
    much like criminals do yes it's often
  • 22:32
    not from you know so you're not identify
  • 22:34
    identified but here's what a mass does
  • 22:37
    for you so besides it making it harder
  • 22:39
    for you to be identified and this is
  • 22:42
    from you know like the psychology 101
  • 22:44
    masks number two conceals your emotions
  • 22:48
    and reduces the amount of by contact you
  • 22:51
    may
  • 22:51
    let's you think and feel like a
  • 22:54
    different person and mass you know
  • 22:57
    that's what masks are for people put on
  • 22:59
    all kinds of masks for and sometimes not
  • 23:02
    you know is not a tangible mask like
  • 23:05
    alcohol it's also a mask you mask
  • 23:06
    yourself it also helps you avoid guilt
  • 23:09
    shame and embarrassment white white
  • 23:14
    guilt white fragility and brings to the
  • 23:17
    surface parts of your personality you
  • 23:19
    might otherwise hide think Eyes Wide
  • 23:22
    Shut etc and in groups masks can be
  • 23:26
    dehumanizing leading to groupthink and
  • 23:29
    extreme behavior that is the fact about
  • 23:33
    masks and if you have that in this kind
  • 23:38
    of situation I think people got much
  • 23:40
    bolder I think they were did I think it
  • 23:42
    really made a difference and they could
  • 23:44
    also hide their guilt behind their masks
  • 23:49
    well the point you may owe the yeah
  • 23:52
    self-loathing white liberals mm-hmm the
  • 23:56
    term the point you made about the
  • 24:00
    politicians especially the the Democrats
  • 24:02
    not wanting to confront the antifa
  • 24:06
    situation which is a serious threat
  • 24:08
    mm-hmm and they do a good job I mean I
  • 24:11
    have to say I give them kudos
  • 24:14
    unbelievable job they're doing Oh clap
  • 24:19
    we just don't we're not we're not right
  • 24:22
    their old playbook said you know the
  • 24:24
    left knows about they can't bring
  • 24:25
    themselves to admit it because no no we
  • 24:28
    don't want to go there but let me play a
  • 24:30
    series of clips starting with one of the
  • 24:33
    guys who got beat up by these guys one
  • 24:35
    time and had brain damage actually in
  • 24:37
    his back in the back in the saddle doing
  • 24:39
    yeoman's work his and ego and Gio on
  • 24:43
    he's on Twitter and he was talking about
  • 24:47
    an Tifa on that hill the rising which is
  • 24:52
    a show I like a lot with this guy's SAR
  • 24:54
    gar and in crystal ball all right yeah
  • 24:58
    and this and they're both excellent on
  • 25:02
    the show
  • 25:03
    and here's Andy go Andy go I think it's
  • 25:07
    no I think I think you do know
  • 25:11
    yeah I think that's how you pronounce
  • 25:12
    could be we do you know we need
  • 25:14
    clarification on this or I do apparently
  • 25:16
    yep
  • 25:17
    but let's listen to him talking about an
  • 25:19
    Tifa in 2017 I would say in 2016 and
  • 25:23
    two-parter 2017 they were viewed as kind
  • 25:26
    of like folk heroes to the city but they
  • 25:30
    establish politician to because they
  • 25:32
    well they believes what the media said
  • 25:34
    they refer to them as anti-fascist you
  • 25:38
    know and that's where the deception is
  • 25:39
    really strong I was elected in favor of
  • 25:43
    Antipa not anymore now because they're
  • 25:47
    seeing the the bill that the city has to
  • 25:50
    pay when these people come out and wreak
  • 25:53
    havoc in downtown Portland so they have
  • 25:56
    I've seen them kind of distance
  • 25:57
    themselves a bit more but they don't
  • 26:00
    want to come out too strong against the
  • 26:01
    far-left because there's a large
  • 26:04
    constituency on the left who although
  • 26:06
    they will not participate in the tactics
  • 26:09
    of mt foe or other similar Lubin state
  • 26:11
    she has similar goals and sympathies so
  • 26:15
    it's a difficult position for democratic
  • 26:19
    politicians here to be in i would like
  • 26:22
    them to have more clarity in their
  • 26:23
    leadership and to come out and against
  • 26:26
    violence against this type of anarchy i
  • 26:28
    not view it through a partisan lens as
  • 26:31
    they are currently yeah so the current
  • 26:36
    thing is happening is trump deciding
  • 26:40
    that well these guys are domestic
  • 26:43
    terrorists and they should be put on a
  • 26:44
    terrorist watch list and been and
  • 26:47
    treated as a terrorist organization now
  • 26:50
    it'll just just the legality of that
  • 26:52
    there's no there's no term but i think
  • 26:55
    if he classified them as enemy
  • 26:57
    combatants then know there's there's
  • 27:01
    tons of discussion about this and there
  • 27:03
    are ways of doing it
  • 27:05
    an enemy combatants is not the same
  • 27:07
    because that would really complicate
  • 27:09
    matters they just want to get him on
  • 27:11
    this list and yet as we go along with
  • 27:13
    these four more clips
  • 27:16
    you can see the contrast well hold on so
  • 27:18
    that's exactly now I understand now it
  • 27:21
    makes sense he wants them on the
  • 27:24
    terrorists he wants them classified as a
  • 27:26
    terrorist organization
  • 27:27
    that's why certainly Democrat
  • 27:30
    politicians are saying it's no
  • 27:32
    organization you just there's no thing
  • 27:34
    you can put on the list this will be
  • 27:35
    used just just to pick up people left
  • 27:38
    and right that's what's happening
  • 27:39
    because they're just denying that it's a
  • 27:41
    true organization exactly and let's play
  • 27:44
    a few examples there's our three
  • 27:45
    examples of them doing just that from
  • 27:47
    different sources here's the BBC this is
  • 27:50
    the clip is the odd Pro and Tifa BBC
  • 27:54
    well Donald Trump has said that he wants
  • 27:57
    to antifa
  • 27:59
    the group he said in a tweet that he
  • 28:01
    wants to denounce them as a terrorist
  • 28:05
    organization now the problem with that
  • 28:07
    is twofold
  • 28:09
    first of all it's not clear if he can
  • 28:11
    designate a domestic group a terrorist
  • 28:14
    organization that was more tear gas
  • 28:16
    coming off by the way the second thing
  • 28:18
    is is that ante throat really isn't the
  • 28:21
    solid organization with a hierarchy it's
  • 28:23
    more of a collective group it stands for
  • 28:25
    anti-fascism and it's basically this
  • 28:27
    loose collective group of people who
  • 28:29
    come together to oppose on the street
  • 28:31
    what they call fascist activity but this
  • 28:34
    has been the position of the government
  • 28:37
    of Donald Trump's administration he's
  • 28:39
    trained it in a way almost D
  • 28:40
    legitimizing these protests to say well
  • 28:48
    it's the attitude of the government
  • 28:50
    saying that for radical leftists are
  • 28:53
    organizing this or auntie Freight is
  • 28:56
    organizing in this kind of way of
  • 28:57
    stealing from the protests the
  • 28:59
    legitimate anger so many people here
  • 29:01
    feel for what they call a long history
  • 29:04
    of abuse by the police against
  • 29:06
    minorities in this country you know it's
  • 29:10
    so not true
  • 29:12
    I mean cops they're afraid they're
  • 29:15
    afraid to do all kinds of things now
  • 29:17
    with with anyone who is not pristine
  • 29:20
    crystal-clear white this is simply not
  • 29:23
    true what they're saying the data just
  • 29:26
    doesn't support it and everyone just
  • 29:28
    does oh no no you don't know what you're
  • 29:29
    talking about shut up it's it's bizarre
  • 29:35
    go ahead it's me it's beyond it's
  • 29:38
    obviously it this is good this is
  • 29:40
    concerted this is the media is in chaos
  • 29:44
    with oh you want you want to hear right
  • 29:47
    let me get these clips on all right all
  • 29:49
    right I don't want this just a pro ante
  • 29:51
    for now this is a guy from The
  • 29:52
    Associated Press that is discussing this
  • 29:56
    this important issue
  • 29:59
    Hamas throw and Tifa Associated Press
  • 30:03
    yeah I got it up or lower case here we
  • 30:05
    go of course there are questions that
  • 30:06
    remain is how I can do this in part
  • 30:08
    though there are other domestic groups
  • 30:11
    that have been classified as terrorist
  • 30:12
    groups and Tifa by definition isn't
  • 30:15
    really a group so it's not quite sure
  • 30:17
    what will come of this the days ahead we
  • 30:20
    haven't seen any paperwork yet from the
  • 30:21
    White House I think that'll be something
  • 30:23
    perhaps that comes across tomorrow but I
  • 30:25
    wanted to just draw the contrast there
  • 30:27
    with with vice Prez former Vice
  • 30:29
    President Biden the president of course
  • 30:30
    we have not seen today he the White
  • 30:32
    House called an early lid which means he
  • 30:34
    had no public events no public
  • 30:35
    statements but he has been tweeting and
  • 30:37
    it has not been a message of trying to
  • 30:39
    heal or a message of understanding or
  • 30:41
    trying a message of the nation to rally
  • 30:43
    together after a very trying few days
  • 30:45
    but rather leaning in the political
  • 30:47
    score is blaming Democratic mayors and
  • 30:49
    governors and even at one point tweeting
  • 30:52
    retweeting a posting from the conspiracy
  • 30:55
    group q whereas he has been again
  • 30:58
    pressuring with putting out a message of
  • 31:00
    strength in law and order rather than
  • 31:02
    reconciliation that wait that guy's from
  • 31:04
    The Associated Press yeah the conspiracy
  • 31:10
    groups are anti feh not a terrorist
  • 31:12
    organization q conspiracy group meetings
  • 31:15
    every Tuesday night at the old
  • 31:18
    schoolhouse okay well let's go take it a
  • 31:23
    step further this is an editor from The
  • 31:25
    Wall Street Journal that is now giving
  • 31:27
    us his opinion about the whole thing and
  • 31:29
    you can tell he's super objective he's
  • 31:31
    on and by the way he's on Fox with this
  • 31:34
    particular bullshit well I think you're
  • 31:37
    seeing a lot of politics being played at
  • 31:39
    this point with scant evidence to
  • 31:42
    support it the president is blaming
  • 31:45
    somebody else for this problem he's
  • 31:47
    blaming the left which is a popular
  • 31:49
    target of the president he's provided no
  • 31:52
    evidence of that mind you though
  • 31:54
    politics are being played on the other
  • 31:56
    side as well the Democratic governor of
  • 31:58
    Minnesota is blaming the right saying
  • 32:01
    that white separatists are in the groups
  • 32:05
    they are fomenting violence he too has
  • 32:08
    not provided any evidence of that though
  • 32:10
    there seems to be some kind of
  • 32:12
    indication that yes right-wing groups
  • 32:14
    have played a role
  • 32:19
    Wow who are these jabroni x' Wall Street
  • 32:24
    Journal editor on Fox
  • 32:26
    editor editor he determines what goes
  • 32:29
    through Wow Wow Wow
  • 32:33
    so the only person that actually comes
  • 32:34
    up with with it they bring her on
  • 32:36
    because she's doing some work for them
  • 32:38
    and I hate to play this but I have to
  • 32:41
    say she nails this she Laura Logan comes
  • 32:46
    on fox and she explains what the hell's
  • 32:48
    going on with auntie fad the whole idea
  • 32:51
    of it naming them as a terrorist
  • 32:54
    organization and and comes off with a
  • 32:56
    very logical she was also by the way
  • 32:58
    like Andy was a victim victimized by an
  • 33:02
    Tifa at some point in her career
  • 33:04
    attacked or something like that I don't
  • 33:06
    know the details they discuss it I kind
  • 33:08
    of missed and I have no problem I like
  • 33:10
    Laura Logan I know she's good that she's
  • 33:12
    really good she's going to say write a
  • 33:16
    lot few more times in your guide to
  • 33:18
    enjoy well there's that downside I have
  • 33:23
    two clips from her but this is the one
  • 33:24
    on an Tifa okay you know the president
  • 33:27
    had suggested that he would essentially
  • 33:30
    designate them a terror group but legal
  • 33:34
    experts are saying that's kind of hard
  • 33:36
    because there is no central leadership
  • 33:38
    it's more of a movement you know each
  • 33:41
    town might have five people or ten
  • 33:43
    people it's just kind of scattered they
  • 33:46
    say it is scattered and that's by design
  • 33:48
    because it's a massive network that
  • 33:50
    spreads you know all across the US and
  • 33:52
    across the world actually it's a global
  • 33:54
    movement and that's not my words that's
  • 33:57
    their words right and of course legal
  • 33:59
    experts all these people want you to
  • 34:01
    believe that you can't designate them
  • 34:03
    why because it brings with it very
  • 34:05
    significant Authority so for example all
  • 34:07
    those people contributing bail money now
  • 34:10
    to members of an Tifa and other
  • 34:12
    anarchist groups that there are
  • 34:13
    terrorist organizations then they're
  • 34:16
    contributing to terrorist groups and
  • 34:18
    that's illegal
  • 34:19
    so that will the money will dry up
  • 34:20
    certainly sources of funding will dry up
  • 34:23
    why do they move across state lines to
  • 34:25
    go and commit crimes well they do it
  • 34:27
    because then they get in their cars or
  • 34:29
    get on the planes and they go back to
  • 34:30
    where they came from and you can't get
  • 34:33
    them well you can if they're designated
  • 34:35
    as terrorists so if this is a very
  • 34:37
    significant designation and it shuts
  • 34:39
    founds many of their authorities and
  • 34:41
    when you hear people coming at you about
  • 34:43
    that whether they know it or not they're
  • 34:45
    just contributing to the propaganda and
  • 34:47
    see if I can tell you the propaganda is
  • 34:49
    an overdrive right now on the antifa
  • 34:51
    websites and through their network of
  • 34:54
    people on different social media forms
  • 34:56
    that even in the New York Times today
  • 34:57
    quite astonishing
  • 35:00
    they're literally collecting data and
  • 35:01
    dismissing all of this what you're
  • 35:03
    seeing in front of your eyes they're
  • 35:06
    saying is a conspiracy theory
  • 35:07
    I mean they've used conspiracy theory
  • 35:10
    that's an information warfare term
  • 35:11
    that's meant to shut down any
  • 35:13
    conversation into silence and to
  • 35:15
    intimidate and to get us to self-censor
  • 35:17
    because we don't want to be accused of
  • 35:19
    being crazy right-wing comes first
  • 35:20
    serious I didn't hear her say the word
  • 35:23
    right in other any other fashion than
  • 35:30
    right-wing no no she said it you just
  • 35:34
    didn't she slipped it in I guess he got
  • 35:35
    past you I guess no you hear right at
  • 35:37
    the beginning she said the first
  • 35:39
    sentencing all right well that's beside
  • 35:41
    the point
  • 35:41
    she this is a great point in her and she
  • 35:44
    makes the point at which I just proved
  • 35:46
    is that all the media I'm just beginning
  • 35:49
    with the paper of record New York Times
  • 35:51
    are saying no no no these guys are
  • 35:53
    rather scattered this is bull crap it's
  • 35:56
    just some it's just a way of thinking
  • 35:58
    and it's really pathetic I mean it is
  • 36:02
    it's really pathetic listen listen to
  • 36:06
    her second clip which is you're talking
  • 36:07
    about the the radical abolitionist
  • 36:10
    movement which is part of this and she
  • 36:13
    just decides to go after them for a
  • 36:14
    little bit and and reads from some of
  • 36:16
    their documents and you can go to their
  • 36:18
    websites and they're brought not for all
  • 36:22
    practical purposes they are literally
  • 36:24
    calling for the dissolution and
  • 36:27
    destruction of the United States its
  • 36:29
    government and its institutions all
  • 36:32
    businesses and all private properties
  • 36:34
    and it starts with defunding the police
  • 36:36
    I mean that that's the meme oh yeah how
  • 36:38
    much the police is a sign you'll see
  • 36:40
    you'll see this sign of these riots
  • 36:41
    define Bala SHhhh oh the police right
  • 36:44
    but I think they've settled on defund
  • 36:46
    and that's and and I see smart people
  • 36:49
    saying this are you kidding me it's
  • 36:54
    pretty astonishing how what a great job
  • 36:57
    they've done but it begins there's two
  • 36:59
    sources of this one's the educational
  • 37:01
    system with with corrupt professors you
  • 37:04
    know and the other part is that is the
  • 37:06
    media yet the New York Times being the
  • 37:08
    leader complain they've been completely
  • 37:10
    taken over by these by these folks
  • 37:13
    are all radicals and so let's listen to
  • 37:15
    Laura reads from the documents have a
  • 37:17
    look at the revelry a revolutionary
  • 37:19
    abolitionist movement what do they want
  • 37:21
    to do here liberation is by any means
  • 37:24
    necessary they're going to destroy the
  • 37:26
    state police military corporations all
  • 37:29
    who run what they call the American
  • 37:30
    plantation they'll live in a dignity in
  • 37:33
    a world without prisons systems of
  • 37:35
    punishment will be abolished
  • 37:36
    there'll be no law and no money to
  • 37:38
    protect so property they say is alive it
  • 37:41
    doesn't belong to anyone except they
  • 37:43
    won't rarely be equal right there will
  • 37:45
    be a system because go down to number 10
  • 37:47
    militant networks will defend our
  • 37:49
    revolutionary communities liberation
  • 37:51
    begins where America dies so that is
  • 37:54
    what this is about liberation begins
  • 37:56
    where America dies right now the white
  • 37:58
    people you at Fox News you're the
  • 38:00
    oppressors right and this is all about
  • 38:03
    justice for black people and
  • 38:05
    underprivileged communities and the poor
  • 38:07
    but a few steps down and anyone who owns
  • 38:11
    land is the oppressed and a few more
  • 38:13
    steps down anyone with a successful
  • 38:14
    business and a few more steps down is do
  • 38:17
    you have a bigger you know do you have a
  • 38:19
    bigger you know property or resources
  • 38:22
    than I do and and every step along the
  • 38:24
    way we all become the oppressors and
  • 38:26
    what they want when they say abolition
  • 38:27
    you know abolish their police and the
  • 38:30
    army and everything they want to get rid
  • 38:31
    of all black policeman black soldiers
  • 38:34
    it's not just about race they want us to
  • 38:36
    believe we're divided they want it to be
  • 38:38
    about Republican Democrat but it's not
  • 38:40
    and every single thing you're seeing is
  • 38:43
    to incite a response to incite white
  • 38:46
    people for example to take up their guns
  • 38:48
    and say I'm gonna defend my homes and to
  • 38:51
    incite the police to act to incite the
  • 38:53
    National Guard soldier to pull the
  • 38:54
    trigger and give them exactly what they
  • 38:57
    want yeah she's not wrong about that the
  • 39:00
    problem is and you're and you're correct
  • 39:03
    is that the media which is so
  • 39:06
    all-encompassing and blanketing in this
  • 39:10
    in this period of time you know when
  • 39:13
    when they're in cahoots and when they're
  • 39:15
    complicit there are so I see smart
  • 39:18
    people who literally are doing insane
  • 39:22
    things and logically they could know
  • 39:25
    this I mean
  • 39:26
    to say abolish the police but you might
  • 39:32
    need them one day and then what are you
  • 39:34
    going to do and you know what you're not
  • 39:36
    seeing is I saw a lot of black business
  • 39:38
    owners protecting their businesses with
  • 39:40
    with armed men black men with guns
  • 39:42
    didn't see that really any way I can
  • 39:48
    just go on about the amazement but
  • 39:51
    there's more there's more pushback and
  • 39:54
    you know of course we need to ultimately
  • 39:55
    all bring this around towards President
  • 39:58
    Trump is everyone who has an agenda is
  • 40:01
    manipulating this right away and
  • 40:03
    politics is what's going on right now in
  • 40:05
    the United States but not uniquely so I
  • 40:08
    mean there's there's big discussions
  • 40:10
    going on in in the Netherlands as I know
  • 40:12
    right now about race relations and it's
  • 40:15
    you know it's remembered about Trump -
  • 40:17
    of course of course
  • 40:18
    Trump is the source light as the
  • 40:20
    Netherlands care about Trump because
  • 40:23
    they are being told to care about it and
  • 40:26
    that he is the the the devil of the
  • 40:28
    world and bringing everything down and
  • 40:30
    look at what he's done he's even that
  • 40:32
    was Obama who weaponized the police
  • 40:33
    force but okay he's weaponized the
  • 40:36
    police that killing black people it's
  • 40:38
    horrible
  • 40:38
    no one is gonna do any research there's
  • 40:40
    not a single pushback except for some of
  • 40:43
    the souls who have found you a podcast
  • 40:45
    or two how many people do you think in
  • 40:47
    Holland and I'm just using Holly cos
  • 40:49
    you're closer to that than Auckland New
  • 40:52
    Zealand why are they protesting a
  • 40:55
    socialist is why but let's let me ask
  • 40:58
    you this question how many people just
  • 41:00
    just an average Dutchman mm-hmm know
  • 41:04
    where Minnesota is but that would be
  • 41:08
    higher than you'd think but I would say
  • 41:10
    not more than 10 percent okay well
  • 41:14
    that's a high number I don't think 10
  • 41:16
    percent a nice well well the Netherlands
  • 41:18
    actually has a lot of business with
  • 41:19
    Minnesota and we have direct KLM flights
  • 41:22
    to this there is a wish you were a New
  • 41:28
    Zealander now so I could ask you if you
  • 41:30
    were a New Zealand knows where minister
  • 41:33
    but see that's not what happened here
  • 41:35
    what took place is
  • 41:37
    people have been inside they've been
  • 41:39
    locked down they've been frustrated they
  • 41:40
    want to go out there they want to get
  • 41:42
    back to normal life in the Netherlands
  • 41:44
    their local issue is the black Petes
  • 41:46
    remember black Petes oh it's so racist
  • 41:49
    been going on for hundreds of years but
  • 41:50
    now all of a sudden racists and it's
  • 41:52
    those people those activists those
  • 41:54
    groups which aren't ngos they're
  • 41:57
    nonprofits they start this and then
  • 42:00
    everyone's like oh hell yeah let's get
  • 42:02
    out I mean and it's everyone wants to
  • 42:04
    feel good we also all want to be
  • 42:07
    together and and have an experience not
  • 42:09
    not violent but have an experience of
  • 42:11
    man word we're upset what are we really
  • 42:13
    upset about I know
  • 42:15
    Trump killing black people in America
  • 42:16
    doesn't matter this the conditions were
  • 42:20
    perfect perfect for this oh yeah well
  • 42:24
    this thing's almost set out can I ask a
  • 42:28
    question just on the side side yeah how
  • 42:31
    come the media again the same people
  • 42:34
    that every time Trump walks out without
  • 42:37
    a mask they always wasn't wearing a mask
  • 42:39
    pence wasn't wearing a mask but were
  • 42:41
    they said talking about now with the
  • 42:43
    lack of social if these rioters were
  • 42:45
    social distancing and wearing they are
  • 42:48
    wearing masks but not all of them but
  • 42:50
    they're not social distancing they're
  • 42:51
    rude they're all gonna catch kovat
  • 42:53
    apparently what if they don't well since
  • 42:56
    you bring that up we have it here I have
  • 43:02
    brought some extra clips here we go
  • 43:07
    because this of course this is now
  • 43:09
    starting to come up and a1 so I can't I
  • 43:13
    find this what's going on a mask clip I
  • 43:20
    can't I don't know what happened - I
  • 43:21
    have a semi import semi super clip that
  • 43:27
    is comparing and this is uh this is
  • 43:31
    Cuomo I'm gonna have to set it up these
  • 43:34
    all need to be set okay one more versus
  • 43:36
    the Santis this is a the media
  • 43:39
    discussing what a great guy Cuomo is and
  • 43:44
    what a shit head sent the DeSantis is
  • 43:48
    he's the governor of Florida
  • 43:49
    who didn't
  • 43:50
    locked down the state and eventually let
  • 43:53
    them go open the beaches and all these
  • 43:55
    things and and he's the threat to the
  • 43:58
    old people and the end chromos the
  • 44:01
    savior even though Cuomo was killed at
  • 44:04
    least 10,000 old people because of the
  • 44:08
    his his thing with movingly the victims
  • 44:11
    of Corona in to them
  • 44:13
    the nursing nursing homes yeah they're
  • 44:16
    killing them all end up killing ten
  • 44:18
    thousand people they estimate but the
  • 44:21
    media this is of course led by your
  • 44:24
    usual suspects of MSNBC CNN now they
  • 44:28
    have a different take on this and this
  • 44:29
    is a good super cut in Andrew Cuomo has
  • 44:31
    been glorified by media despite policies
  • 44:34
    with respect to nursing homes that
  • 44:36
    caused to a number of tragic deaths
  • 44:38
    where as