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1244: Gain of Function

Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

3h 36m
May 21st, 2020
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Executive Producers: Sir Onymous of Dogpatch and Lower Slobbovia, Sir Walkman of Buckeye, Baron Foxbat of the Cook Islands, Sir Dave Fugazzotto, Duke of America's Heartland and the Arabian Peninsula, Matthew Dietl, Kevin Garguilo

Associate Executive Producers: Mark Bensink, Sir DaddyCast, Logan Isaak, Markley Markley, Sir Laurin Ostermann, Zakary Lally, Whit Thiessen, knight of the cornbelt conspiracies, Sgt. Fred Castenada

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Woodstock
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    where the beaches are open atom curry is
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    no agenda from northern Silicon Valley
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    we're hearing that the CDC now says
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    coronavirus does not spread easily on
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    surfaces what I'm John see Devorah oh
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    [Music]
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    man please who listens to that anymore
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    who listens to the CDC we've given up
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    they just given up now we've given I was
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    like they're fully crap we had some
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    friends over last night two women
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    actually just for for you know after
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    dinner drink six o'clock and man one of
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    them and I think both of them had been
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    here before a couple weeks ago one of
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    them is a teacher and she had not been
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    out of the house since the last time she
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    saw us and was so freaked out by
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    everything that she had learned and
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    listened to
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    she wouldn't cheat social distance
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    inside our house well almost
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    it's it's and it was kind of odd you
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    know it's like oh man I feel I feel bad
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    that you feel that way of course we
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    respected that but it was just Tam and
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    it's because we had been out that's why
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    yeah because we've been out boozing
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    around and having dinners and stuff and
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    it was immediate emp'd yeah well yes
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    we're essential personnel obviously we
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    we all know that but it was Jim that was
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    just freaky yeah you know and we we went
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    out to we had anniversary on Tuesday so
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    we went to fix which is here in Austin
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    which is open again now they're also at
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    their 25% limitation that they put
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    dummies in the charity no but I did want
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    to take them all
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    to tell everybody in order to make
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    everyone comfortable during this time of
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    transition we're letting all our
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    producers know that in compliance with
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    social distancing guidelines we have
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    filled some audience slots with
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    mannequins and sex dolls so if you so
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    just so you know we want you we want the
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    show to look full like we've got
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    everybody here so we so we go too thick
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    that's where we had our first date too
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    which is nice and we've kind of gone
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    back there once at least once a year for
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    some kind of celebration for the fix for
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    the fix yeah f IX e they had no you know
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    temperature readings no signing any
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    waivers just come on in no mass
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    necessary outside or inside personnel
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    was wearing masks and gloves and there
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    was no tables were spaced out the food
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    incredible as always but we had a chat
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    with them now one of the one of the
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    girls who works there server
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    I guess she's more like maitre d kind of
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    although you know there's so little
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    personnel everyone's doing different
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    things and you know we've been there
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    before and at least she knows the the
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    bartender so we're all kind of like you
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    know just chatting a bit and we're
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    friendly and she kind of opens up to us
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    says you know the big problem is that
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    ever since the shutdown every single AAA
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    meeting has been cancelled in most of
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    these meetings you know took place in
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    churches or community centers or schools
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    completely shut down and people are in
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    by the way nice to know that alcohol
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    sales and liquor stores are open it's
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    really it's you know the unintended
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    consequences are those memes going
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    around you know the beaches are closed
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    but the pot shops are open in California
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    right but I'm just you know you don't
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    really think about it but people who
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    these meetings are crucial many people
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    need them every day every day and then
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    so that you know they're doing the legal
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    and it has to be kind of in person it's
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    not a thing that really works very well
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    over zoom so they're doing illegal
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    meetings behind dumpsters and it's
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    insane know no one feels like it's like
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    the days
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    for the abortion it's illegal not
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    dissimilar but you know that's what you
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    get it's like no one really thought
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    about this shit nobody yeah
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    however before we get into all that I
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    think we need to talk about Rogen oh yes
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    I think that's probably a good idea
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    yeah so I have a few notes but maybe you
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    just listen to his little announcement
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    which came over the transom I guess the
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    day before yesterday hello everybody I
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    have an announcement the podcast is
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    moving to Spotify I signed a multi-year
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    licensing agreement with Spotify that
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    will start on September 1st starting on
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    September 1st the entire JRE library
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    will be available on Spotify as well as
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    all the other platforms then somewhere
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    around the end of the year it will
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    become exclusive to Spotify including
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    the video version of the podcast it will
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    be the exact same show I am NOT going to
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    be an employee of Spotify we're gonna be
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    working on the same crew doing the exact
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    same show the only difference will be it
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    will now be available on the largest
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    audio platform in the world nothing else
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    will change it will be free it'll be
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    free to you you just have to go to
  • 5:39
    Spotify to get it we're very excited to
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    begin this new chapter of the JRE and I
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    hope you're there when we cross over
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    Thanks a couple of things about that
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    announcement I would never announce
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    anything and then end it with crossing
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    over that is such a death connotation to
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    it I don't think that was I think it was
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    subliminal and not intended but chef
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    conscious subconscious yeah but crossing
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    over to crossing always sounds weird
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    yeah I think it was it was a
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    subconscious truth truth wants to come
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    out we cross over to the dark side to
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    the evil side also the largest there's
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    no real I may cry yes it's just a bad
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    phrase let me go on sorry the largest
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    audio platform is an interesting content
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    it's a good one yeah it is I mean
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    there's truly the largest platter bigger
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    than Apple Spotify
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    yeah I don't know they it could it might
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    be I have no idea no idea but bigger
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    than YouTube well let's let's go through
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    this for a second cuz I think some
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    people are there's a lot of expected
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    response a lot of a feeling of betrayal
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    I don't know how rampant that is that
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    but okay this is what I see of course
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    people are you know jumping all over it
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    but I just want to give a little
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    perspective on this because I think
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    people are jumping to a lot of
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    conclusions now and although I have not
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    discussed this specifically with Joe we
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    talked you know we text a lot we have
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    regular contact and this is this is
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    almost expected for him at this point I
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    would say Joe really cares more about
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    the video about the the video podcast
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    and I think it's important for the show
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    that he does in general on YouTube that
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    you see the person well he's had
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    incredible difficulty with this you know
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    having to self-censor having to cut
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    pieces out he has you know YouTube
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    censors anything that is that diverts
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    from the Cova Dean coronavirus official
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    official message he hasn't been able to
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    really have people on that he wanted to
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    interview for fear of being well
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    demonetised happens I think fairly
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    regularly with his videos but really for
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    fear of being kicked off and I and I
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    think YouTube although his the majority
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    of his money probably comes from the
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    podcast advertising I think that's
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    really what is most important to him and
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    I think it's most important to Spotify
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    they're really trying to diversify into
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    two things one they want and they
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    definitely want to do video and they
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    need to have content that doesn't cost
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    them per stream that's the problem with
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    their business model is every time that
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    you listen to a song it costs them
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    whether they've gotten money from you
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    through a subscription or an ad or not
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    so they need this and I think video by
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    dimension it doesn't cost them much but
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    even that little bitty billion things up
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    is billions billions of dollars now a
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    lot adds up but it's still um you know
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    it's
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    now artists aren't showing a lot of it's
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    not like the music business guys the
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    people that musicians are getting rich
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    off a Spotify Spotify is losing money
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    their public company you can see how
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    much they're losing is that they know
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    they're losing money and just like
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    Netflix these are losing money that's
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    okay that's the business plan I think
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    Joe was shaken up by what happened to
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    Alex Jones Alex Jones was in a
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    coordinated effort he was moved from
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    Apple podcasts from all the podcast apps
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    they the podcast attic there's a podcast
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    app which you just used to subscribe to
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    podcast was removed from the Google Play
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    Store because they had the audacity to
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    list podcast that had health information
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    quote-unquote that is not the approved
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    sanctioned message so that's that's all
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    I think that that was those were Joe's
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    main concerns and it's what what a safe
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    much more safer way to do a licensing
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    deal which is there's a lot of things in
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    there I think it's not just like oh here
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    you go I'm yours exclusively no it's a
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    licensing deal so it may be that not all
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    episodes go out there's all kinds of
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    things that can change along the way but
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    then I think me from the monetary side
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    the podcast where that and I know that
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    this is where most of the money came in
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    from you know I told him myself multiple
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    times I'm worried you have eight minutes
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    of ads leading into the show everybody
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    knows we skip past it
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    hello come on man and so you must be
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    getting heat from people who either want
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    to be first or last or whatever it is so
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    that that was not sustainable so we have
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    the content issues I'm not so sure about
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    it never being available on RSS and
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    that's kind of where it gets funky as
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    people don't consider something a
  • 10:45
    podcast unless it has an RSS feed and I
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    agree with that but it doesn't make any
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    difference to the people who want to
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    want to watch Joe Rogan the downside
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    he'll have is twofold
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    one he will no longer have the algo of
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    YouTube and I think that's a huge
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    underestimation and that's probably why
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    they're trying to do a transition period
  • 11:06
    to get people used to the fact that you
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    can watch the show over here because if
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    you subscribe to the Joe Rogan YouTube
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    channel when there's something new you
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    know about it
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    and he's not doing newsletters or any
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    other way of notifying people so I think
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    that's gonna take a lot of work to
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    compensate for that and and obviously
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    the the listenership and viewership will
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    have to go down also if you're not going
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    to use an RSS feed is it for sale
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    because I'd be very interested in
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    purchasing that and who owns the domain
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    name associated with it and do you have
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    any idea how much convenience is going
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    to be lost and if you've ever lost an
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    RSS feed then you kind of know how hard
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    it is to build that back up so there
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    will be some relevance issues that I
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    think Joe will have to deal with just in
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    in a way like Howard Stern where the
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    medium is kind of the message you know
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    so like with Howard Stern the medium was
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    FM radio morning radio he was breaking
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    all the rules saying nasty things the
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    FCC was was the man and then he went to
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    Sirius and all of a sudden he could say
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    use profanity and there was no enemy and
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    a little bit of that pirate mentality is
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    there with Joe Rogan and and the Joe
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    Rogan experiences we're just crazy we're
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    hanging out we're doing nutty stuff and
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    it turns out it's you know it's working
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    pretty well but then this feels like
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    some kind of cop-out sellout and it may
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    very well be you know to that word that
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    well it is you got a hundred million
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    dollars that's not the word on Wall
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    Street but that's the word the same
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    podcast business journal it may be I'd
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    say anywhere between fifty fifty million
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    in that over a multi-year period sure
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    why not
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    yeah it wouldn't be you wouldn't be
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    cashed here's here's on a billion
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    dollars oh no no absolutely not
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    now so this is great for Netflix I think
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    it it protects all of Joe's upside and
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    it gives them almost no downside other
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    than
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    Vin's but i think he this man wants to
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    stand up he's not that he's not a
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    podcaster he likes doing stand-up and
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    that's what he wants to do when the show
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    facilitates his life so I'd like Andy
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    still use the RSS feed well I think he
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    can and here's how I would view it again
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    Spotify Sneed's are not to pull away an
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    RSS feed Spotify his needs are to have
  • 13:32
    as we discuss people who have this you
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    know not at this kind of free content
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    for them so the end the video part
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    they're going to sell ads on anyone who
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    was listening or I presume watching
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    let's just leave it with listening who
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    isn't a subscriber you know isn't a
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    paying member so you might as well have
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    the same ads run for the people who
  • 13:52
    still subscribe to the RSS feed you
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    could leave that in place and it would
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    probably do better for Spotify then
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    maniacally trying to cut that off but it
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    does it does change something it it
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    changes it changes the view for people
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    and what they think is important and I
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    just wanted there's no real numbers on
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    any on anything so you know he says 198
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    million downloads a month could be I
  • 14:20
    don't know I don't know if that's people
  • 14:22
    who listen as well but I did I did take
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    a look at what what being on the Joe
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    Rogan show and coronavirus has done to
  • 14:29
    no agenda if you're interested sure so I
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    don't have I don't have any absolute
  • 14:35
    numbers but with with Apple you can go
  • 14:38
    into podcast connect and you can see
  • 14:41
    trends of people who are using the
  • 14:44
    iPhone at least iPhone 11 and the Apple
  • 14:47
    podcast app so I'm just gonna so at on
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    March 4th we were at our 100% whatever
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    just a baseline of a hundred percent
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    after I want on Rogan by March eighth
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    our baseline was 200 where we went from
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    the baseline it was 200 percent a week
  • 15:03
    later now this is when the lockdown
  • 15:05
    started to happen so you've got to think
  • 15:07
    it might be a combination but for sure
  • 15:09
    Rogan we went from two hundred percent
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    to five hundred percent to two thousand
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    percent of our original baseline and
  • 15:17
    we've now leveled off at 1,800 percent
  • 15:20
    just to give you an idea of what kind of
  • 15:23
    numbers Rogan's
  • 15:23
    pushing go back on the show yeah hell
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    yeah it's nice to be got about eight
  • 15:33
    listeners for sure who have actually
  • 15:35
    identified as listeners well do or talk
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    about donors
  • 15:38
    yeah don't or some type quite a few
  • 15:40
    listeners but yeah number but a lot of
  • 15:42
    them donated early to a lot of normal
  • 15:45
    listening pattern if somebody listened
  • 15:47
    to the show for two years mm-hmm and
  • 15:49
    then coming with maybe a big donation or
  • 15:52
    what it you know anything from two
  • 15:53
    hundred thousand dollars and then after
  • 15:56
    years of listening mm-hmm these guys are
  • 15:59
    a little faster on the draw
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    well now if this would happen to us
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    here's here's how I would do it let's
  • 16:04
    just presume it's a hundred million and
  • 16:06
    of course we have a very you know we you
  • 16:09
    and I we can't work for emo for anybody
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    that's that's impossible
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    there's no way plenty of people them but
  • 16:15
    I mean not we can only have two we could
  • 16:17
    no longer work for we couldn't work for
  • 16:19
    a Spotify when I can have a meeting with
  • 16:21
    Spotify about what we're doing no that's
  • 16:23
    not gonna let but let's say we could
  • 16:25
    just have a licensing deal and you know
  • 16:27
    we had this value for value I would say
  • 16:30
    100 million everyone who's donated we're
  • 16:33
    going to send them a thousand dollars
  • 16:35
    you and I still out make out like
  • 16:36
    bandits maybe your money back with a
  • 16:40
    little bit of interest then we get and
  • 16:43
    then we keep going anyway yeah so I
  • 16:48
    think it's I think it's great for Joe I
  • 16:50
    think it's good for his show it'll it'll
  • 16:51
    last because that was show it was going
  • 16:53
    down
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    there's no way it could have gone
  • 16:55
    anywhere but into the censorship been on
  • 16:58
    YouTube which always comes with all
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    kinds of crap controversy and then you
  • 17:04
    know before you know it someone says
  • 17:06
    something then it's off the podcast app
  • 17:07
    so I think that's a yes man has a family
  • 17:09
    and a career to protect is it great for
  • 17:12
    podcasting I don't know I don't think
  • 17:14
    has anything to do with it anymore Joe
  • 17:17
    Rogan experience is a whole different
  • 17:19
    phenomenal I think the future podcast is
  • 17:22
    always what you claim which is
  • 17:23
    independent the tribe tribal network you
  • 17:26
    know something we don't
  • 17:27
    yeah you're not dependent on a third
  • 17:29
    party exactly and and it's good to know
  • 17:32
    just like in jail it's good to know that
  • 17:34
    you can escape it's good to know that
  • 17:36
    once in a while one of us
  • 17:37
    that's how make some real money then can
  • 17:41
    live like a king
  • 17:42
    yeah besides the gimlet people now that
  • 17:45
    said where is gimlet do you hear that
  • 17:47
    much from them anymore
  • 17:48
    they were bought by Spotify I know so
  • 17:51
    the relevance it's just like Stern it
  • 17:53
    kind of fades away so that I think is
  • 17:55
    sad but what did they have in today I'm
  • 17:59
    sure it's not really genome in Mike's
  • 18:02
    know they had two shows and and it's a
  • 18:06
    mystery show what is a true-crime it's
  • 18:09
    really that's it's all show oriented
  • 18:11
    don't say mostly what Spotify does
  • 18:14
    meanwhile the mainstream media is so
  • 18:16
    freaked out in general by podcasting and
  • 18:20
    the and what's at what's really
  • 18:21
    happening with tribal media is apparent
  • 18:26
    from this public service announcement
  • 18:28
    and I'm sure they meant it kind of as
  • 18:31
    funny but it went on too long for it to
  • 18:33
    be just funny from the ABC Australian
  • 18:36
    Broadcasting Corporation paid for by the
  • 18:38
    Year by the citizens of Australia and
  • 18:41
    they aired this there is some foul
  • 18:43
    language in here and f-bomb coming up
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    but if it was good enough for ABC in
  • 18:47
    Australia it should be good enough for
  • 18:48
    the podcast these are unprecedented
  • 18:50
    times we know things are hard right now
  • 18:53
    you're stuck inside with nothing to do
  • 18:55
    he might be going out of your mind just
  • 18:57
    wanting to do something anything but now
  • 19:00
    more than ever more than ever more than
  • 19:04
    ever it's time to think about how your
  • 19:06
    choices affect others so please please
  • 19:09
    please don't start a podcast just don't
  • 19:14
    do it don't do it you might feel like
  • 19:16
    the productive use of your time right
  • 19:18
    now you've probably already got a USB
  • 19:20
    mic and a spare room ready to go and you
  • 19:23
    make day it's got some interesting
  • 19:24
    opinions but we're here to tell you he
  • 19:27
    doesn't it really doesn't please a
  • 19:29
    fuckwit when I need your true-crime
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    exclusive
  • 19:34
    which is just you reading Wikipedia
  • 19:35
    articles to your housemate we don't need
  • 19:37
    your minute-by-minute breakdown of every
  • 19:40
    episode of Parks and Rec what are you
  • 19:41
    gonna do sand everyone in your contact
  • 19:43
    list emerged ship newsletter and force
  • 19:45
    them to mark you as spam instead of
  • 19:47
    bland subscribing because they're scared
  • 19:48
    to hurt your feelings
  • 19:51
    look it's pretty straightforward just go
  • 19:54
    inside a podcast makes impossible
  • 19:55
    scratch like everyone else and just shut
  • 19:58
    up the greatest gift you can give your
  • 20:00
    fellow human beings right now right now
  • 20:02
    right now is to shut the fuck off shut
  • 20:05
    the fuck do it don't start a podcast now
  • 20:13
    you can say that's just out of fun right
  • 20:17
    there was a little too much hostility in
  • 20:19
    there for my taste it was too long for
  • 20:25
    the punchline yeah
  • 20:27
    and they you know they always slightly
  • 20:31
    over produced yeah you don't go to the
  • 20:35
    process of making that with all these
  • 20:37
    different people coming on board and
  • 20:38
    helping unless it's some kind of
  • 20:40
    internal thing there's something there
  • 20:43
    yeah maybe we had to do it a couple of
  • 20:47
    the people that actually work at
  • 20:48
    Australian Broadcasting that we're
  • 20:50
    thinking about doing a podcast or or
  • 20:52
    brought it up in meetings write your
  • 20:59
    podcast about a podcast yes exactly
  • 21:03
    I don't know so yeah I'm not too worried
  • 21:07
    in all this industry industry talk
  • 21:10
    because you know the podcasting space is
  • 21:12
    an industry of which you and I are never
  • 21:14
    invited to the party which is to me
  • 21:19
    always a good sign you know good sign
  • 21:22
    for us it's a good sign for yes yeah
  • 21:26
    we're never invited all these events
  • 21:28
    they have all these things that Jen
  • 21:30
    Brian he goes to most of them yeah I say
  • 21:32
    I wish I don't know she still doesn't
  • 21:33
    mean obviously nobody's going to
  • 21:34
    anything during this break to shut down
  • 21:37
    but it's like every guy talked to her
  • 21:41
    once and watch this working did you
  • 21:42
    gonna go to the podcast him the podcast
  • 21:44
    fast whatever is going
  • 21:48
    the podcast hoedown Casta Palooza oh no
  • 21:58
    they don't bite us podcast fast no we're
  • 22:03
    we're persona non grata yes yeah but
  • 22:07
    also because we figured it out that this
  • 22:09
    is the way you don't need you don't need
  • 22:11
    to have Joe read Rogen audience to
  • 22:13
    sustain from your community it's exactly
  • 22:16
    like a small church thing it is in a way
  • 22:19
    yes Church
  • 22:21
    you see these churches as mega churches
  • 22:22
    they bring in the big dough that'd be
  • 22:24
    Joe Rogan it's big mega church bringing
  • 22:26
    in the dough but Joe Rogan there's
  • 22:28
    little community churches they do just
  • 22:30
    fine I'm Joe Rogan was not in the church
  • 22:32
    he was in a stadium like Bruce
  • 22:33
    Springsteen taking money no it's not
  • 22:36
    this have you ever seen some of these
  • 22:37
    mega churches have you seen Joel Osteen
  • 22:39
    no but that is a stadium it's literally
  • 22:42
    he bought the whole Houston basketball
  • 22:45
    team's stadium he's not value for value
  • 22:48
    so it's not the same as a church Joel
  • 22:52
    Osteen is value for value yes but Joe
  • 22:54
    Rogan is Rogen's yeah you're right thank
  • 22:56
    you
  • 22:57
    well I mean I can see churches going
  • 23:00
    that way if they were allowed to bylaw
  • 23:01
    knew if there was legal I bet you the
  • 23:04
    churches would have the same riders wait
  • 23:06
    a minute you mean to take to take why
  • 23:08
    isn't it legal why can't a church have
  • 23:12
    advertised I think and let's just call
  • 23:15
    what it just break for ads what's wrong
  • 23:18
    with I don't see a problem with that hey
  • 23:21
    listen y'all
  • 23:22
    you haven't been even putting enough in
  • 23:24
    the collection dish so here's a word
  • 23:26
    from coca-cola why not no I think I
  • 23:31
    think there's some legal issue too
  • 23:33
    there's some lawyer listening to this
  • 23:35
    right now that knows the answer to this
  • 23:37
    - my my pause well why am i pausing
  • 23:40
    because I I suspect there's something
  • 23:43
    illegal about it
  • 23:44
    hmmm I think a religious organization
  • 23:46
    can't just be an advertising front
  • 23:50
    Dicers was advertising for God and we
  • 23:54
    also have the drug companies
  • 23:55
    underwriting us you know advertisers for
  • 23:58
    this sermon is brought to you by squib
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    okay now you've taken me there now we
  • 24:02
    need to go into this to clip
  • 24:05
    extravaganza because yes it is about the
  • 24:08
    advertisers and something fantastic
  • 24:12
    happened
  • 24:13
    I saw it happen live and this is where
  • 24:16
    the president offhandedly admits that
  • 24:19
    he's been taking hydroxychloroquine for
  • 24:22
    about a week
  • 24:23
    ena has got everybody freaked out in a
  • 24:25
    surprise in a surprise like offhand that
  • 24:29
    announcement here is a clip of it I
  • 24:31
    think for whatever it's worth I take it
  • 24:33
    I was my I would have told you that
  • 24:36
    three four days ago but we never had a
  • 24:37
    chance because you never asked me the
  • 24:39
    questions you're asking these shitty got
  • 24:41
    your questions the White House do the
  • 24:42
    White House doctor recommend that you
  • 24:44
    take that is that why you're telling
  • 24:45
    White House doctor I didn't recommend no
  • 24:47
    I asked him what do you think you said
  • 24:48
    well if you'd like it and said yeah I'd
  • 24:50
    like it I'd like to take it a lot of
  • 24:51
    people have taken a lot of frontline
  • 24:53
    workers that take in hydroxychloroquine
  • 24:55
    a lot of front door I don't take it
  • 24:57
    because hey people said oh maybe he owns
  • 25:00
    the company no I don't know the company
  • 25:02
    you know what I want the people of this
  • 25:04
    nation to feel good I don't want them
  • 25:07
    being sick I was just waiting to see
  • 25:09
    your eyes light up what I said this but
  • 25:11
    you know what I announced this but yeah
  • 25:13
    I've taken it for about a week and a
  • 25:14
    half now and I'm still here I'm still
  • 25:17
    can you explain through though you what
  • 25:19
    is the evidence that it has a
  • 25:20
    preventative here we go you ready here's
  • 25:24
    my evidence I get a lot of positive
  • 25:25
    calls about it they say hey you know the
  • 25:29
    expression I've used John what do you
  • 25:31
    have to lose okay what do you have to
  • 25:33
    lose for about a week at me for about a
  • 25:37
    week and a half every day at some point
  • 25:39
    every day I take a pill every day at
  • 25:43
    some point they'll stop what I'd like to
  • 25:45
    do is I'd like to have the cure and or
  • 25:47
    the vaccine and that'll happen I think
  • 25:49
    very soon so what happened at this
  • 25:51
    moment was fantastic and just a reminder
  • 25:53
    of the background that this is a widely
  • 25:57
    available drug it's incredibly a cheap
  • 26:00
    to get it is not the planned it is not
  • 26:03
    the plan the plan was while we have a
  • 26:06
    vaccine in the making moderna has been
  • 26:08
    blessed to make that we
  • 26:10
    have REM disappear and REM disappear
  • 26:13
    they've even gone so far as to kind of
  • 26:15
    gin up some interim numbers the right to
  • 26:19
    make it look a little better than the
  • 26:21
    first trial was which the market saw
  • 26:23
    because the market tanked the stock and
  • 26:25
    then all no but we have something
  • 26:27
    positive went back up and that's a $1400
  • 26:30
    per serving so that's really and this is
  • 26:32
    the pharmaceutical industry you've
  • 26:34
    learned from us China and the
  • 26:37
    pharmaceutical industry own the media
  • 26:39
    and here is proof and is my favorite to
  • 26:42
    show Fox News who now have a new name
  • 26:45
    called Fox pharma and Neil Cavuto was on
  • 26:48
    when this briefing took place they
  • 26:51
    interrupted right after the president
  • 26:52
    was done and this is what he went on for
  • 26:55
    seven minutes and I took two now that
  • 26:58
    was stunning the president knighted
  • 27:00
    States just to acknowledge that he is
  • 27:03
    taking hydroxychloroquine a drug that
  • 27:06
    meant really to treat malaria and lupus
  • 27:09
    the president has insisted that has
  • 27:10
    enormous benefits for patients so either
  • 27:14
    trying to prevent will already have a
  • 27:17
    Kovan 19 the fact of the matter is
  • 27:19
    though when the president said what have
  • 27:22
    you got to lose in the number of studies
  • 27:25
    those certainly vulnerable the
  • 27:28
    population have one thing to lose their
  • 27:31
    lives a VA study showed that among a
  • 27:33
    population of veterans in a hospital
  • 27:37
    receiving this treatment those with
  • 27:39
    vulnerable conditions respiratory
  • 27:41
    conditions heart ailments they died
  • 27:43
    there are also a number of other studies
  • 27:45
    that including the Journal of the
  • 27:47
    American Medical Association which
  • 27:49
    examines some 1438 individuals in the
  • 27:53
    New York area across 25 hospitals from
  • 27:56
    the middle of March to the end of March
  • 27:58
    the study was a real chance he had this
  • 28:04
    information at the ready oh it rolled
  • 28:08
    out John it rolled out like they opened
  • 28:10
    up the manila envelope that said warning
  • 28:12
    in case something bad happens this was
  • 28:15
    he was he stumbling through the prompter
  • 28:17
    this was believes like you know I didn't
  • 28:20
    I know about him you have no idea it's
  • 28:22
    good
  • 28:23
    realize that he was that it was like a
  • 28:25
    prepared script and and it happened when
  • 28:29
    the president said it now either then
  • 28:32
    now you know I worked in these in this
  • 28:34
    business that doesn't happen unless
  • 28:37
    there's something already ready to go
  • 28:38
    it's got to be done
  • 28:40
    the only time I've had that is working
  • 28:43
    for the in in the Netherlands there was
  • 28:45
    a suitcase and if anything happened to
  • 28:48
    the Queen or the royal family the
  • 28:49
    suitcase was to be opened and the
  • 28:51
    suitcase contained the records and the
  • 28:53
    playlist and the exact text of what to
  • 28:55
    say and it reminds me of this he's
  • 28:58
    flipping out but he'll take it to all
  • 29:00
    the way to the end remember fox pharma
  • 29:03
    owned owned by the pharmaceutical
  • 29:06
    industry patient which examines some
  • 29:09
    1438 individuals in the new york area
  • 29:12
    across 25 hospitals from the middle of
  • 29:15
    march to the end of march the study was
  • 29:19
    a real chance to look at the the
  • 29:22
    benefits that the president's system
  • 29:24
    were our doctor chloroquine they
  • 29:25
    concluded that among peasant residents
  • 29:28
    hospital say what it was without the
  • 29:32
    zinc no no the VA study is not
  • 29:34
    peer-reviewed this is all bull crap
  • 29:38
    residents hospitalized in metropolitan
  • 29:41
    New York with Kovac 19 the treatment or
  • 29:44
    both compared with neither treatment no
  • 29:46
    statistical differences a second study
  • 29:49
    done by adjusted Galeras and colleagues
  • 29:51
    at the New York Presbyterian Hospital
  • 29:53
    Columbia University orbing Medical
  • 29:55
    Center in northern Manhattan from March
  • 29:57
    7 to a prolonged
  • 30:00
    there were no visible differences that
  • 30:03
    the risk of intubation or death was not
  • 30:04
    significantly higher or lower among
  • 30:06
    patients who received hydroxychloroquine
  • 30:09
    versus those who did not the VA study to
  • 30:13
    which the president alluded wasn't a
  • 30:15
    loaded political one it was a test on
  • 30:18
    patients there and those who took now
  • 30:20
    remember this is written by the
  • 30:22
    pharmaceutical industry for Neil Cavuto
  • 30:25
    here at Fox Pharma and let's take it
  • 30:28
    home that's really scary in a vulnerable
  • 30:30
    population including those with
  • 30:32
    respiratory other conditions they died I
  • 30:35
    want to stress again they died if you
  • 30:38
    are in a risky population here and you
  • 30:41
    are taking this as a preventive
  • 30:43
    treatment to ward off the virus or in a
  • 30:46
    worst case scenario you are dealing with
  • 30:48
    the virus and you are in this vulnerable
  • 30:50
    population it will kill you I cannot
  • 30:53
    stress enough this will kill you ladies
  • 30:57
    and gentlemen chairman of the board of
  • 30:59
    Fox Pharma there is Neil Cavuto and of
  • 31:04
    course we have it I so this will kill
  • 31:07
    you later that's not bad man can you
  • 31:14
    believe that though and they had that
  • 31:16
    ready to go
  • 31:17
    yeah well this I that which brings me I
  • 31:20
    have two series of clips I want to play
  • 31:22
    one you I would like to go to this one I
  • 31:25
    first of all I have a long presentation
  • 31:27
    on the origins of kovat and but I do
  • 31:31
    have I am taking the beat of Kayle Kayle
  • 31:37
    the Avenger I do want to come back to
  • 31:39
    one more clip when you take us to Caylee
  • 31:41
    because I night why well Caylee address
  • 31:43
    this issue that's right I know I know
  • 31:45
    that's why I just want to come back okay
  • 31:47
    well then we'll go to just one Cathy
  • 31:49
    clip I got two the two others left but
  • 31:51
    this is a two-parter and she she goes
  • 31:54
    off the deep end on this so this is a
  • 31:55
    long clip followed by a short following
  • 31:58
    it's worth it but this is Caylee Caylee
  • 32:00
    Caylee mackaninee the new press
  • 32:03
    secretary mean their house this means
  • 32:06
    their ninja ass and taking names I'm
  • 32:12
    glad she's your beat that's for sure
  • 32:14
    so here she comes and she's gonna
  • 32:17
    address this eight days CQ event this
  • 32:20
    event it was an event when the Trump
  • 32:22
    made the announcement and even Scott
  • 32:24
    Adams made a special presentation on his
  • 32:26
    periscope at night
  • 32:28
    what was his take without he thought it
  • 32:31
    was genius he brought him back to the
  • 32:34
    Trump camp when he says he's never seen
  • 32:36
    a he says he just thought it was genius
  • 32:37
    because he knew it would get everyone
  • 32:39
    all bent out of shape and he was just
  • 32:41
    laughing about it yeah and because he
  • 32:44
    just thought it was another Trump ploy
  • 32:46
    yeah but here's Caylee gone
  • 32:48
    about it here we go moments ago a
  • 32:50
    statement from the American Nurses
  • 32:52
    Association which says quote the
  • 32:55
    American Nurses Association has not
  • 32:56
    received reports from nurses or other
  • 32:58
    frontline health care workers utilizing
  • 33:01
    hydroxychloroquine as a preventive
  • 33:03
    treatment for kovat 19:00 why does the
  • 33:06
    president continue to say that many or
  • 33:08
    thousands of frontline workers are using
  • 33:10
    it as a prophylactic well there is them
  • 33:12
    at Henry Ford Hospital is doing a study
  • 33:14
    on this now or 3,000 frontline workers
  • 33:16
    will be taking hydroxychloroquine to
  • 33:20
    look at X use as a prophylaxis I believe
  • 33:23
    there's a few hundred or a hundred 90
  • 33:26
    workers and Tampa General Hospital's so
  • 33:29
    this is being used by by some and one
  • 33:31
    thing I want to note with regard to
  • 33:33
    hydroxychloroquine because I think it's
  • 33:35
    very important that were as accurate as
  • 33:37
    we can be with our reporting on this
  • 33:39
    hydroxychloroquine has been a drug that
  • 33:41
    has been in use for 65 years for lupus
  • 33:45
    arthritis and malaria it has a very good
  • 33:47
    safety profile but it as with any drug
  • 33:50
    and as with any prescription it should
  • 33:52
    be given by a doctor to a patient in
  • 33:55
    that context so no one should be taking
  • 33:57
    this without a prescription from their
  • 33:58
    doctor but that being said I've seen a
  • 34:01
    lot of apoplectic coverage of
  • 34:03
    hydroxychloroquine you had Jimmy Kimmel
  • 34:05
    saying the president's quote trying to
  • 34:07
    kill himself by taking it you had Joe
  • 34:09
    Scarborough saying quote this will kill
  • 34:11
    you Neil Cavuto saying what have you got
  • 34:14
    to lose them one thing you have to lose
  • 34:16
    our lives and you had Chris Cuomo
  • 34:19
    isn't it interesting although I don't
  • 34:21
    have the evidence that Cavuto said this
  • 34:24
    will kill you in Joe Scarborough from
  • 34:27
    another network said the same thing yeah
  • 34:30
    gee that's never happened before
  • 34:32
    uh-huh but this will kill you Neil
  • 34:34
    Cavuto saying what have you got to lose
  • 34:37
    them one thing you have to lose our
  • 34:39
    lives and you had Chris Cuomo saying the
  • 34:42
    president knows that hydroxychloroquine
  • 34:44
    is not supported by science he knows it
  • 34:47
    has been flying flagged by his own
  • 34:48
    people and he's using it well Cuomo
  • 34:51
    mocked the president for this and
  • 34:54
    interestingly I found this out just
  • 34:55
    before coming here
  • 34:57
    hydroxychloroquine of course is an
  • 34:58
    fda-approved medication with a long
  • 35:01
    proven track record for safety and it
  • 35:03
    turns out that Chris Cuomo took a less
  • 35:06
    safe version of it called quinine which
  • 35:09
    the FDA removed from the market in 2006
  • 35:12
    because of its serious side effects
  • 35:14
    including death so really interesting to
  • 35:16
    have that criticism of the President on
  • 35:18
    that note - Chris Cuomo I'd like to
  • 35:20
    redirect him to his brother the governor
  • 35:22
    of New York Governor Cuomo who has
  • 35:25
    several on-the-record statements about
  • 35:27
    hydroxychloroquine saying I'm an
  • 35:29
    optimist I'm hopeful about the drug and
  • 35:31
    that's why I will try it here in New
  • 35:32
    York as soon as we get it there has been
  • 35:34
    anecdotal evidence that it's promising
  • 35:36
    that's why we're going ahead and I have
  • 35:38
    about eight other quotes from Governor
  • 35:39
    Cuomo should any of you have enters
  • 35:41
    tonight and this is exactly why we have
  • 35:44
    otherwise intelligent people showing up
  • 35:47
    completely freaked out at my house
  • 35:49
    because of this of the media really
  • 35:53
    working against any messaging only
  • 35:57
    spreading fear and death and destruction
  • 36:01
    and when there's good news under or not
  • 36:04
    reporting it at all no not reporting it
  • 36:07
    at all you get that right the I am a Qi
  • 36:09
    model changed over this week and there's
  • 36:12
    now you know that they've just
  • 36:13
    subtracted a good 1020 thousand deaths
  • 36:16
    expected in the US and they have it
  • 36:19
    broken down by state I'm sure you
  • 36:20
    haven't heard that because no that's two
  • 36:23
    down no no that borders on good news
  • 36:25
    even if it borders on good news you
  • 36:27
    don't want to report it and so people
  • 36:28
    get very various invited by the way this
  • 36:31
    is beyond when it leaves that blue or
  • 36:33
    when it bleeds it leads this is just
  • 36:35
    Trump hate it's it's yeah but what yes
  • 36:39
    but what no in fact no what we heard
  • 36:41
    John was the pharmaceutical industry
  • 36:44
    immediately jumping in and saying stop
  • 36:47
    they had it ready as if they knew it
  • 36:50
    they had the packets ready for Pharma
  • 36:52
    they had the packets ready for Joe may I
  • 36:54
    just play just a reminder clip of RFK
  • 36:58
    jr. when he had a dinner with Rupert
  • 37:01
    Murdoch who owned Fox News just for a
  • 37:05
    reminder as to how that works and it'll
  • 37:07
    it'll make us all feel much better about
  • 37:09
    what happened
  • 37:10
    Anderson Cooper is sponsored by Pfizer
  • 37:13
    Erin Burnett is sponsored by Pfizer that
  • 37:17
    NBC Nightly News is answered by Merck
  • 37:20
    and Roger Ailes told me Roger Ailes not
  • 37:28
    Murdock but Ailes when he ran it very
  • 37:31
    well it was a bounder foxes I didn't
  • 37:35
    agree with him politically but we were
  • 37:38
    friends we spent a couple of months the
  • 37:40
    other attempt I was 18 years old and
  • 37:42
    Africa I had this you know really good
  • 37:45
    relationship with them and he understood
  • 37:49
    the issue and vaccine injury from a
  • 37:51
    personal experience with vaccine injury
  • 37:54
    where a kid who was close to him was
  • 37:57
    injured and so he knew it was true and
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    we made out make a film a documentary
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    about it a couple of years before he
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    died when he was ill at the height of
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    his powers then I asked him you know can
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    I come on I don't want to play it on Fox
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    I wanted to come on Fox and talk about
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    it he said I can't let you do that he
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    said in fact if any of my house allowed
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    you on their show I'd have to fire them
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    if I didn't I would get a call from
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    Rupert within 10 minutes so just so you
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    know that's what's going on the call you
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    know if you've done that a call in 10
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    minutes when the farm the pharmaceutical
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    industry they were ready all the
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    producers knew it hey if any one happen
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    crazy
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    use your packet here's what you say
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    here's the studies here's what your food
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    Oh in fact here's the here's a thumb
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    drive you can plug it right into your
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    prompter and suck out the copy they it's
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    shameful and naked Cavuto should be
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    ashamed of there's no I mean I'm happy
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    that that happened because now you see
  • 39:04
    it's not just CNN and MSNBC Fox Pharma
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    top of the list well they definitely did
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    there they did their bit so so anyway
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    Cain Lee continues with her little bit
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    and she just kind of wraps it up with a
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    with a another kind of a semi slam so he
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    she's finishing on her little complaint
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    to the media about their coverage in
  • 39:31
    their early phase of the FDA has
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    approved this for off-label use you know
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    this president's a big believer and the
  • 39:45
    right to try legislation people who say
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    what she's really a master at throwing
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    back the liberal memes the right to try
  • 39:57
    thing came out of the liberal side of
  • 39:59
    the of the political spectrum the FDA
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    has approved this for off-label use you
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    know this president's a big believer and
  • 40:08
    right to try legislation people who are
  • 40:11
    in their last one there are several
  • 40:13
    studies that have been brought that the
  • 40:14
    president has actually mentioned that
  • 40:16
    I'd refer you to there was one on his
  • 40:17
    France a French study involving more
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    than a thousand patients that found that
  • 40:22
    the vast majority had quote good
  • 40:24
    clinical outcomes and by the vast
  • 40:26
    majority that was more than ninety
  • 40:27
    percent there is an Italian study of
  • 40:29
    more than 65,000 patients that
  • 40:31
    demonstrated only twenty tested positive
  • 40:34
    of those who are taking at
  • 40:35
    prophylactically in a South Korea study
  • 40:37
    as well so there are several studies and
  • 40:38
    if you're someone out there and this is
  • 40:40
    a safe drug to use in your doctor
  • 40:42
    importantly to underscore that and your
  • 40:43
    doctor prescribes it for your use as a
  • 40:45
    prophylaxis or after coming into contact
  • 40:48
    with Kovac then it's something you
  • 40:50
    should take if it's prescribed by the
  • 40:51
    doctor and that's your personal medical
  • 40:53
    choices the Pharmacy Board in Texas they
  • 40:57
    had initially they had put a restriction
  • 40:59
    on hydroxychloroquine that's been lifted
  • 41:04
    this is more and more evidence that
  • 41:06
    thousands of health care workers are
  • 41:08
    taking it as a prophylactic and of
  • 41:11
    course it it's supposed to really only
  • 41:13
    work with zinc because what it does is
  • 41:15
    it loosens up whatever it needs to and
  • 41:18
    then INGOs the zinc and you're good to
  • 41:19
    go
  • 41:19
    but this gave great fodder for lots of
  • 41:23
    people and I think to their detriment I
  • 41:26
    don't think was smart what Speaker of
  • 41:28
    the House and head honcho Democrat
  • 41:30
    Pelosi did here to reaction to the
  • 41:32
    president saying that he is now other
  • 41:33
    than his her little banter with Anderson
  • 41:35
    Pugh
  • 41:35
    where that was cute too reaction to the
  • 41:37
    president saying that he is now taking
  • 41:39
    hydroxychloroquine or he's concerned
  • 41:42
    first let me say how happy I am about
  • 41:45
    your new baby how lovely
  • 41:47
    Wyatt Wyatt how perfectly names
  • 41:51
    what's this Wyatt is was it a Wyatt
  • 41:53
    Vanderbilt that I'm unaware of she's
  • 41:57
    thinking of Wyatt Earp why is that so
  • 42:00
    perfectly named slinger man we all know
  • 42:08
    why that is and that congratulations and
  • 42:11
    as you as you know our Father you see
  • 42:13
    how important it is to keep the world
  • 42:15
    safe for the children for the children
  • 42:18
    as far as the president is concerned the
  • 42:23
    our priests are president and I would
  • 42:25
    rather he not be taking something that
  • 42:28
    has not been approved by the scientists
  • 42:31
    especially in his age group and in his
  • 42:34
    shall we say wait group had but it is
  • 42:36
    morbidly obese exactly so III think that
  • 42:41
    was it's not a good idea okay thanks
  • 42:44
    Nancy of course Republicans got their
  • 42:46
    panties all in a bunch and fine let's
  • 42:50
    talk to a scientist let's talk to dr.
  • 42:52
    drew who despite his many bobbing and
  • 42:55
    weaving 'z we've stuck along with his
  • 42:57
    advice but not a big fan of his foul Qi
  • 42:59
    love and worship but if you want the
  • 43:03
    truth on something drew will do his best
  • 43:06
    to give it to you this make medical
  • 43:08
    sense yes listen people have got to
  • 43:10
    separate politics from the practice of
  • 43:12
    medicine he everything he said was
  • 43:14
    absolutely accurate it has been around
  • 43:17
    for 40 years it's been prescribed
  • 43:19
    hundreds of millions of times for
  • 43:21
    malaria I personally have prescribed it
  • 43:23
    hundreds of times from alaria hundreds
  • 43:25
    of times for rheumatic diseases I've
  • 43:27
    never seen one adverse side effect I
  • 43:30
    can't say that of Tylenol I can't say