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Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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April 23rd, 2020
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Woodstock
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    what down 2020 Adam curry
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    Jhansi devorah's your award-winning
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    Gitmo Nation Media assassination episode
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    1236 this is no agenda curry from
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    northern Silicon Valley where the Zephyr
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    just went by that's good news
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    I'm John Cena for economic indicators
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    chart and we need to know how many cars
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    were hanging off the Zef today only
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    seven who and what is our benchmark nine
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    is our benchmark is it not yeah nine is
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    is spot-on
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    10 is above 10 and above is above it's
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    nine is the baseline the baseline so
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    where it is seven which is better than
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    no train at all because they were gone
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    yes I don't even dad I don't remember
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    them saying it was coming back but there
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    it went
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    we call that green shoots grinds green
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    shoots of optimism that we're coming
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    back green shoots yes green shoots of
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    often like the end of the movie
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    idiocracy oh man how many times someone
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    has mentioned that movie to me in the
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    past month or two well we're living it
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    we're living the dream we are you know
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    the keeper I were just talking about the
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    the Jen I would say Millennials maybe
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    Gen Z yours is more and more fair they
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    don't want to go back to work
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    well mentioning that let's go to the
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    Alexander Cassatt Cortez clip so in
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    other words we're fishing from the same
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    pond again Dvorak
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    I think when we talk about this idea of
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    reopening society you know only in
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    America
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    does the president when the president
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    tweets about liberation does he mean go
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    back to work when we you know have this
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    discussion about going going back or
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    reopening I think a lot of people should
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    just say no we're not going back to that
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    we're not going back to working 70 hour
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    weeks just so that we could put food on
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    the table and not even feel any sort of
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    semblance of security in our lives
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    I guess the checks have come through huh
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    so supposed to work in 70 hours a week
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    even Silicon Valley guys they're working
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    their asses off 60 fuckin 70 what's he
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    talking about we work 70 hours a week
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    well if you count watching television to
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    get clips yes that's a big part of the
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    job and it's not what she's described
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    it's okay but still there's but she
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    didn't quite describe what is really
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    going on or what is being used as a
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    reason for not wanting to go back to
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    work is more a fear absolute fear over
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    getting sick and what's gonna happen and
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    we're not ready and oh my god is it what
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    part of the country you're in yeah we
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    had that that website that we presided a
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    few shows oh yes well yeah if you live
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    in New York yeah you're gonna be scared
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    of that
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    I don't think so I I'm sorry I don't
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    think so I think this is it's a young
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    and by the way that was not necessarily
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    this age group I'm talking 25 25 each
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    group was variable on there I'm talking
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    anecdotally from what I'm hearing around
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    me it's surprising is what I'm saying so
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    it's not so much about what I read in
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    that it was a good it was a good piece
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    of research we could see that white
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    women the Karen's in the burbs in the in
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    the metro areas were more afraid than
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    the rest but now I'm talking about kids
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    who don't want to go back to work
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    because they think the adults are stupid
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    and are trying to kill themselves and
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    everybody else this is what's happening
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    well this is our education system at
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    work it's also the information that
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    we're being given is so it's not even
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    there this is why I spend the entire day
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    watching c-span and it's not just
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    waiting for the for the corona briefing
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    there's a lot going on in this in in in
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    Washington DC in general there always is
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    but you cannot get the information that
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    is discussed there on the news no it's
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    so so we have to do it it's pretty sad
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    when you need a VJ to do that for you
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    and the most interesting thing that
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    happened since our last show on Sunday
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    was the hot mic episode with John
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    Roberts of Fox News in the briefing room
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    which was interesting for a number of
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    reasons I don't know if you saw this but
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    oh yeah I think it's either before after
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    the the the press briefing John Roberts
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    comes in he's the he's the reporter from
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    Fox the White House correspondent and
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    you'll hear him very clearly I tried to
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    clean it up a little bit this this audio
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    so we could listen all the way through
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    and he's talking to I think either audio
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    engineer or camera tech a technician and
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    there's a couple of things that are said
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    after what we'll just go through it I'll
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    step through it it's easier here's John
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    Roberts on the hot mic and and this is
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    how this works you know the the pool
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    video is open they leave the mics open
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    and anything anything goes
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    so what he just heard coming in as they
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    say says to this tech hey man you can
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    take off the mask no worry it's about a
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    point 1 to a point 3 according to the
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    new data from this study in in Los
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    Angeles this was the weird part where
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    this camera tech out of the blue says
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    everybody has got a vaccine anyway what
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    do you think that was about the part
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    that was the weirdest and maybe he
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    misspoke or maybe just thinking of the
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    mistaking the flu vaccine for the vet
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    for a corona vaccine perhaps I think
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    that might be it well there are several
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    vaccines that are done and I already
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    have a case try giving him the camera
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    man let's face it that would be the
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    first guy you want to give it to yeah
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    experiment
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    yes it's called the trial Jon we don't
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    call that experiments anymore it's
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    called the trial all right so that was
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    weird and we don't and and no one has
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    come back to that no one has found this
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    guy no one's tracked him down asked him
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    what he meant of course and all john
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    roberts also doesn't really respond like
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    what do you mean so that is very odd
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    we'll continue
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    any 121,000 important for 2,000 people
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    so that makes it 0.1
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    it suggests my calendars
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    - right exactly
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    the hose so what he's basically saying
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    is that the actual infection rate can be
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    forty to eighty times higher in in this
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    in the LA County area than previously
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    expected which means your death rate is
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    incredibly low or much lower than then
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    discussed and much lower I guess as as
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    codified in the models which would make
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    sense because that's you know we've
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    reduced those models tenfold multiple
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    ten folds just to get to something that
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    we're not even looking at anymore now
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    we're just pretending we're looking at a
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    chart and it's influenza-like illness
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    --is and so the camera guy eventually
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    says oh there's just all a hoax there's
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    no no not a hoax but this kind of looks
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    like it was the flu season 2017-2018
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    which you and i had already identified
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    here so this is this is the most tweeted
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    video it's all over the place I'm
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    getting it on emails there's nothing
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    there's only one moment when this is
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    brought up in the coronavirus briefing
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    which was baffling to me so here's John
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    Roberts he had the information firsthand
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    it's his hot mic he's gonna ask dr.
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    Burks what is going on and do you think
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    she'll answer University of Southern
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    California in the LA County Public
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    Health put out a report today that
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    suggests that the penetrance of the
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    virus is as much as almost 40 times what
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    it was believed to be that as many as
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    four hundred and forty-two thousand
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    people
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    in LA County many have been affected
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    which suggests two things that suggest
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    that you have a lot more people out
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    there who could be spreading the virus
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    but it also suggests that the case
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    fatality rate is more in line with the
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    2017-2018 flu than what we've seen in
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    some other areas of the world but I'm
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    wondering if you've seen that what your
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    thoughts were so he actually expands
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    quite nicely and says hey you know
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    looking at these numbers that we just
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    got yesterday it appears this is no
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    worse than the 2017-2018 flu when it
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    comes to death right what do you have to
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    say to that so we're looking in all
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    those studies very carefully and I think
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    you will remember over the last three
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    weeks I've been talking about the level
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    of asymptomatic spread and my concern
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    about a symptomatic spread because with
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    flu and other diseases when people are
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    sick it's easy to contact trace when
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    people are not sick and shedding virus
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    you have to have a very different
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    approach a very different Sentinel
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    surveillance approach of sentinel
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    monitoring approach which we outlined in
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    the guidelines and it's why the
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    guidelines took that very seriously I
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    think the way you categorize this John
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    is the love is over Burke's so she not
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    only does she not answer the question
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    she completes immediately pulls up ends
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    she pulls up ends moves right over to
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    immediately to another topic goes on and
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    then wait for the kicker at the end what
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    we don't want to do and I'm just gonna
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    do another 30 seconds on testing these
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    tests are not a hundred percent it's a
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    sensitive or specific and I'm gonna go
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    over this over and over again so if you
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    have very important what she says here
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    not 100 percent sensitive or 100 percent
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    specific it took me half an hour and
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    five plays of this to understand what
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    she means when we get to the end I'm
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    gonna go over this over and over again
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    so if you have one percent of your
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    population infected and you have a test
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    that's only 99 percent specific
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    that means that when you find a positive
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    50% of the time will be a real positive
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    and 50% of the time it won't be what
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    okay so she throws some math out here
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    which makes zero sense it makes zero
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    sense and I'm gonna play that bit again
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    and then play it the last twenty seconds
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    and let's see if we can figure it out
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    but she's trying to beside not answering
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    the question which was simply because of
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    this test it appears so many more people
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    are infected your death rate is much
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    much lower what's going on with that can
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    you address that she doesn't do that she
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    says there's asymptomatic and yet black
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    black Koopa and then comes this this
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    stuff about the testing mind the words
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    that means that when you find a positive
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    50% of the time will be a real positive
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    and 50% of the time it won't be and
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    that's why we're really asking people to
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    start testing in among the first
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    responders and the health care workers
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    and it may have had the greatest
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    exposure because that's where the tests
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    will be most reliable so it took me a
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    while to figure this up it took me a
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    while to figure it out what she is
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    telling explain it to everybody cuz I
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    didn't figure out what she just said
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    what she said was malarkey what okay so
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    the math equation is bullcrap I think
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    what she's trying to say is even if you
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    have ninety nine percent so let's just
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    say a hundred percent test
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    she says fifty percent would be positive
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    and the other 50 percent would be a real
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    positive I know what she's saying it
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    finally hit me this test does not
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    discern between influenza and
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    coronavirus that's why she's saying we
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    have to test the first responders
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    because they're the ones that will get
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    the coronavirus so all this testing in
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    LA it could be influenza at 50% and 50%
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    coronavirus which even destroys this
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    whole bullcrap argument even further
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    that we were shut down over this well I
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    I'm gonna disagree with your
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    interpretation why because there's no
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    evidence that this test would detect
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    influence or how about just a tape
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    I'm sorry the common cold I'm sorry
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    the we specifically looked at the test
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    from producers who have involved in the
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    assays and none of them actually does
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    the coronavirus kovat you know the SARS
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    starts to not point to version 3 beta
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    version 1 beta so I think what she's
  • 13:51
    saying is it justit s okay maybe it's
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    not I think it has to be influenza
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    because that's why she doesn't want to
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    address it because the test is showing
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    people positive whether it's corona a
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    different corona virus or influenza what
  • 14:04
    she's saying is there's - it can be
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    either A or B and half of them will not
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    be the right one you're looking for
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    so whether it's a different corona virus
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    or influenza B or whatever this test
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    does I think the tests are bullshit
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    that sounds like it to me so that's why
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    she wouldn't address it she can't say
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    the death rate is because the death rate
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    is likely even lower than that if half
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    of if half of this is something else or
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    it could be higher the things to joke
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    what it is man so we've been meeting a
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    Miss well none of the data none of the
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    models they don't they don't even show
  • 14:45
    the chart anymore there's no charts it's
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    just scarfs no charts and so we get very
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    very disappointing but again no wonder
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    young people they're not even getting
  • 14:59
    this then are getting this information
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    you know is anything do whatever they
  • 15:04
    whatever cutie pie says what does
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    PewDiePie say what is the latest advice
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    we've received once we get sued again
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    radar the videos the the briefings have
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    been pretty funny yes I have some
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    briefings that I pull a few of them that
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    I thought were funny actually you had
  • 15:25
    different ones because the you know it
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    goes on forever yeah and I
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    this sure does my face my I got do you
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    see what I have here I got a couple that
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    are pretty funny the oh yeah this is one
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    of it the Surgeon General goes up yes
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    and then he starts asking you know the
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    guy first he asked us a question about
  • 15:49
    why did you say that was you know was
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    you know what to wear a mask now you
  • 15:54
    have to wear imagine where I mess with a
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    guy call it the reporter calls them back
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    out and then kind of berates him and the
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    Surgeon General takes a fence and then
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    then Trump comes in and Dan has a punch
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    line at the end the recommendation
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    changed the information changed and
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    that's what you want from your public
  • 16:11
    health leaders no argument made that you
  • 16:12
    do about these systemic transmission
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    answer to you if no we did not that was
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    a recommendation of the World Health
  • 16:26
    Organization and the CDC and we gave you
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    the best information we could at the
  • 16:31
    time so I actually a little bit resent
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    that implication because I work hard to
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    try to protect the American people and
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    we are always going to give the American
  • 16:42
    people the best information we have
  • 16:43
    available at the time we don't we're
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    humble enough to say look if we don't
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    know we're gonna change I got changes
  • 16:49
    recommended a wise guy question that's
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    all so the president besides handing out
  • 16:54
    in the beginning of the briefings actual
  • 16:56
    information is spending a lot of his
  • 16:58
    time defending the time line and and
  • 17:01
    defending the facts he's doing fake news
  • 17:05
    call-outs consistently consistently now
  • 17:09
    there was a couple things that happened
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    I think it was maybe Monday he wanted to
  • 17:17
    show that all was well with with Cuomo
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    and everyone's in a love fest and he I
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    don't know who is in charge of running
  • 17:27
    the video for him during these shows but
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    someone really messed up royally I think
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    that he got bite him Biden's old guy his
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    bites bent
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    well hold on maybe there's a pool
  • 17:44
    rotation I don't know but somehow he got
  • 17:46
    the Biden guys in the room the idea was
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    to show a video of Cuomo during Cuomo's
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    press conference saying something very
  • 17:54
    flattering about either Trump or the
  • 17:57
    White House or the federal government
  • 17:59
    and I don't know it's one of those
  • 18:01
    things if you don't do it yourself it
  • 18:03
    will never happen right in the end the
  • 18:05
    kicker the punch line the payoff
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    whatever it was was just not there but
  • 18:11
    it started off pretty bad it'll take two
  • 18:13
    minutes and I think you'll find it
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    interesting but we appreciate it
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    and let's see if we can do that you'll
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    turn out the lights and we'll see if we
  • 18:20
    can do that thank you the first note
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    sounds a big mess anyway so I caught all
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    that part out we'll go to the end
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    see there's no sound
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    heroic efforts on behalf of people as
  • 18:38
    facilitated by government federal and
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    state and it's over he's waiting for the
  • 18:44
    payoff great job fellas
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    they did a better job on ventilators
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    something else to say that was really
  • 18:55
    nice but we won't go through that but he
  • 18:58
    really him it was really a good
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    statement you want to put the rest of it
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    up or do you not have it I just think
  • 19:07
    it's so good because it's bipartisan
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    massive it's like three minutes
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    everyone's just going what the hell is
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    going on if you're gonna DJ with clips
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    man you got to know what you're doing or
  • 19:21
    gonna have somebody around who can do it
  • 19:22
    now he went on to the Wall Street
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    Journal article and this Wall Street
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    Journal article praised the entire
  • 19:33
    effort and the president brought in the
  • 19:37
    paper version of The Wall Street Journal
  • 19:39
    held it up and said here's what you
  • 19:40
    should be doing The Wall Street Journal
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    wrote a fantastic piece of highly
  • 19:45
    respected gentlemen Christopher DeMuth
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    and this was just it's Christopher
  • 19:51
    DeMuth at all known and or a highly
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    respected gentlemen I don't know if it's
  • 19:56
    in The Wall Street Journal
  • 19:58
    weekend edition and Trump rewrites the
  • 20:02
    book on emergencies that's what's
  • 20:04
    happened to and we just read one
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    paragraph he's given pride of place to
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    federalism and private enterprise
  • 20:15
    lauding the patriotism and proficiency
  • 20:17
    of our fantastic governors and mayor's
  • 20:20
    meaning I do call them fantastic when
  • 20:23
    it's appropriate and our incredible
  • 20:26
    business leaders and genius companies I
  • 20:28
    guess I probably use those terms too
  • 20:30
    when they're doing a good job when
  • 20:31
    they're not doing a good job I don't use
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    those strengths doctors and nurses and
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    orderlies and our tremendous truckers
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    they have all done good jobs by shouting
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    out many of them by name and documenting
  • 20:46
    their deeds on a fully daily basis and
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    wait for the kicker
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    he has vivified the American Way in
  • 20:54
    action once it was reluctantly aroused
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    it was hard to get it aroused and it is
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    hard to get it aroused but we got it
  • 21:02
    aroused it was hard to get it aroused
  • 21:08
    and it is hard to get it aroused but we
  • 21:10
    got it arrived he did a good job though
  • 21:24
    he nailed it finally he's hard to get it
  • 21:27
    aroused and it is hard to get it aroused
  • 21:29
    but we got it aroused he has viagra as
  • 21:31
    the country
  • 21:32
    thank you very much prayers then this
  • 21:37
    was yesterday I can't put he's Gold's
  • 21:42
    man that is just gold thank you gift
  • 21:46
    yesterday there was actually was the
  • 21:48
    past few days big oh my god the CDC
  • 21:52
    director he says it's gonna be worse
  • 21:54
    when this thing comes back we're all
  • 21:56
    gonna die in fact I have a headline here
  • 22:02
    from the Washington Post here's what the
  • 22:06
    Washington Post headlined second wave of
  • 22:09
    coronavirus winter outbreak is likely to
  • 22:11
    be more
  • 22:12
    devastating CDC director warns even
  • 22:17
    Steve bannon's podcasts were trippin out
  • 22:19
    they're like oh my god it's gonna be
  • 22:22
    worse it's gonna be horrible we're all
  • 22:24
    gonna die
  • 22:25
    and within three minutes of yesterday's
  • 22:28
    briefing the president brings the CDC
  • 22:30
    director up on stage to refute this fake
  • 22:34
    news I do want to mention man has done a
  • 22:37
    very good job for us dr. Robert Redfield
  • 22:39
    was totally misquoted in the media on a
  • 22:43
    statement about the fall season and the
  • 22:45
    virus totally misquoted I spoke to him
  • 22:48
    he said it was ridiculous he was talking
  • 22:51
    about the flu and corona coming together
  • 22:54
    at the same time and corona could be
  • 22:56
    just some little flare-ups that we'll
  • 22:58
    take care of we're gonna knock it out
  • 22:59
    we'll knock it out fast but that's what
  • 23:01
    he was referring to coming together at
  • 23:03
    the same time and I think rather than
  • 23:06
    waiting I'd ask dr. Redfield to come up
  • 23:08
    say a couple of words just to straighten
  • 23:10
    that out because he didn't say it was a
  • 23:12
    big big explosion the headline in the
  • 23:15
    Washington Post was totally inaccurate
  • 23:17
    the statement wasn't bad in the post but
  • 23:20
    the headline was ridiculous which is as
  • 23:23
    I say that's fake news and CNN is fake
  • 23:25
    news like crazy and they had just
  • 23:27
    totally the wrong saying which they knew
  • 23:29
    they were asked to change it and they
  • 23:31
    wouldn't do that and it was the fall so
  • 23:35
    I'll ask dr. Redfield who is perfection
  • 23:39
    I have to come up and explain please
  • 23:41
    thank you thank you mr. president and I
  • 23:44
    really do think it's important to
  • 23:46
    clarify this as we build the confidence
  • 23:48
    of the American people when I commented
  • 23:51
    yesterday that there was a possibility
  • 23:53
    of the fall winter the next fall and
  • 23:56
    winter it could be more difficult
  • 23:58
    difficult more complicated when we had
  • 24:02
    two respiratory illnesses circulated at
  • 24:04
    the same time influenza and the chrono
  • 24:06
    virus 19 but I think it's really
  • 24:09
    important to emphasize what I didn't say
  • 24:11
    I didn't say that this was going to be
  • 24:13
    worse I said it was going to be more
  • 24:15
    complicated complicated because we'll
  • 24:19
    have flu and corona virus circulating at
  • 24:21
    the same time now the press went nuts
  • 24:23
    like
  • 24:24
    quote is this what you shot well here I
  • 24:27
    got the CBS version of what you're
  • 24:28
    talking about
  • 24:29
    ooh nice hold on this is a clip odd Rick
  • 24:31
    brightstart they they're also bringing
  • 24:34
    the Rick bright story the explosive
  • 24:37
    charge came from Rick bright who said he
  • 24:40
    was dismissed yesterday after pushing
  • 24:42
    for a more thorough vetting of
  • 24:43
    hydroxychloroquine a malaria drug the
  • 24:46
    president has pushed as a possible
  • 24:48
    breakthrough for coronavirus bright said
  • 24:51
    the administration has pressured me and
  • 24:53
    other conscientious scientists to fund
  • 24:56
    companies with political connections as
  • 24:58
    well as efforts that lacks scientific
  • 25:00
    merit
  • 25:01
    he added that sidelining me in the
  • 25:03
    middle of this pandemic and placing
  • 25:05
    politics and cronyism ahead of science
  • 25:07
    puts lives at risk
  • 25:09
    the president has touted the promise of
  • 25:11
    hydroxychloroquine many times
  • 25:13
    despite questions raised previously by
  • 25:16
    many other health officials about its
  • 25:18
    effectiveness based on what i see it
  • 25:20
    could be a game-changer as the president
  • 25:23
    praised states who were moving to reopen
  • 25:25
    their economies new modeling used by the
  • 25:27
    White House now predicts nearly 66,000
  • 25:31
    could die by August a significant
  • 25:33
    increase from what the president claimed
  • 25:35
    earlier this week it looks like we'll be
  • 25:38
    at about a 60 thousand more the
  • 25:40
    president's own Robert Redfield warned a
  • 25:43
    second wave of the virus that could
  • 25:45
    coincide with the opening of flu season
  • 25:47
    this fall will actually be even more
  • 25:50
    difficult than the one we just went
  • 25:51
    through mr. Trump said Redfield had been
  • 25:54
    misquoted I didn't say that this was
  • 25:56
    gonna be worse I said it was gonna be
  • 25:59
    more complicated
  • 26:03
    he stumbled on it on stage instead of
  • 26:06
    saying difficulties had complicated
  • 26:07
    difficult he did it here again the guy
  • 26:09
    is no good and potentially complicated
  • 26:11
    because we'll have flu and corona virus
  • 26:13
    circulated at the same time but
  • 26:15
    epidemiologists agree that a second wave
  • 26:17
    is possible and that it could overwhelm
  • 26:19
    the health care system I just want to
  • 26:22
    say again I don't want to hark him back
  • 26:25
    to the testing but he's saying this for
  • 26:27
    a reason he's saying it's not just
  • 26:29
    complicated because we'll have patients
  • 26:31
    with x and patients with y but we may
  • 26:33
    not be able to tell them apart I have a
  • 26:35
    feeling this
  • 26:37
    is more behind this and the press
  • 26:39
    probably rightfully smells it that's why
  • 26:40
    they're trying to you know that's why
  • 26:42
    you write a headline like that but why
  • 26:46
    no one asked to follow why why is it
  • 26:48
    more difficult well why if we have an
  • 26:50
    overlap of co vid patients arising Kovac
  • 26:55
    patients at the same time we have
  • 26:56
    horizon flu season that could be
  • 26:59
    difficult for hospitals to manage dr.
  • 27:02
    Redfield confirmed that quote he gave to
  • 27:04
    the Washington Post was accurate so what
  • 27:06
    why more difficult is it more people
  • 27:09
    that haven't we just solved that with
  • 27:10
    all this capacity that we can start up
  • 27:13
    at a moment's notice why somes I think
  • 27:16
    it's a test it's also the way they ended
  • 27:19
    that story I don't think you heard it
  • 27:20
    but she said that he reconfirmed what he
  • 27:22
    originally said yes you never used the
  • 27:24
    word originally no but if you listen to
  • 27:29
    just that last chunk again it's a very
  • 27:32
    you know it's almost as though the media
  • 27:35
    has decided that well we're gonna we're
  • 27:37
    gonna stick with our guns they really
  • 27:40
    want to collapse the entire system let
  • 27:43
    me get trump out of office that's the
  • 27:44
    only thing I can think of let me try
  • 27:46
    that last bit again let's listen to it I
  • 27:48
    have an overlap of co vid patients
  • 27:51
    arising Kovac patients at the same time
  • 27:53
    we have a rise in flu season that could
  • 27:57
    be difficult for hospitals to manage
  • 27:58
    tonight dr. Redfield confirmed that
  • 28:01
    quote he gave to the Washington Post was
  • 28:03
    accurate yeah I think some people would
  • 28:09
    like to just see a bad economy for
  • 28:11
    trauma to see him fail and this app
  • 28:13
    there's absolutely people who want that
  • 28:15
    and don't care Bill Maher's tell people
  • 28:18
    not to go back to work but this the the
  • 28:21
    assault on the hydroxychloroquine is
  • 28:23
    coordinated and the president had a
  • 28:27
    response to it here's one of those
  • 28:28
    coordinated little bits from CNBC time
  • 28:31
    now for a corona virus brought her
  • 28:33
    update with Frank Holland Frank hey
  • 28:35
    there Sarah here's the very latest and
  • 28:36
    one of the first organized looks at a
  • 28:38
    drug that's been praised by President
  • 28:39
    Trump hydroxychloroquine it did not help
  • 28:42
    in the treatment of Coppa 19 in a study
  • 28:44
    of 368 patients and veterans hospitals
  • 28:47
    there were more deaths among those who
  • 28:48
    got the malaria drug than the further
  • 28:50
    who received the standard treatment the
  • 28:52
    study has not yet been reviewed by other
  • 28:54
    scientists it's not peer-reviewed it's
  • 28:56
    the study was taken not with the control
  • 29:00
    group just with people from different
  • 29:02
    hospitals
  • 29:03
    different ages and it's done by a guy
  • 29:07
    who was tweeted and blog incessantly
  • 29:09
    about how much he hates Trump and it's
  • 29:11
    not peer-reviewed so it's it's just it's
  • 29:13
    not there yet but it's quite it's quorn
  • 29:16
    ill go with this of course though it's
  • 29:18
    coordinated and the media is happy to do
  • 29:21
    that because we all know who really runs
  • 29:23
    the media and the pharmaceuticals are
  • 29:25
    not having this cheap generic drug being
  • 29:28
    any kind of Wonder middle for anything
  • 29:30
    it must be the official new stuff which
  • 29:34
    is likely remedy severe from Gilead and
  • 29:36
    now there's 29 others but the president
  • 29:39
    is ready for this
  • 29:41
    he continues to promote it it has to be
  • 29:44
    I think according to him in a
  • 29:45
    combination of with zinc at least I
  • 29:48
    don't know that's what everyone says dr.
  • 29:51
    drew even though he's back on the foul
  • 29:53
    chief ear army bandwagon he had the
  • 29:56
    following to say study finds no yeah
  • 29:59
    there's been many mixed benefits on
  • 30:01
    hydroxychloroquine so that's you know I
  • 30:03
    will tell you the doctors are using it
  • 30:05
    routinely so it has some benefit in some
  • 30:08
    cases I have yet I've treated a number
  • 30:11
    of cases now of kovat and I have not had
  • 30:14
    I've only had one where my peers didn't
  • 30:16
    put the patient or I didn't put the
  • 30:17
    patient on hydroxychloroquine and in
  • 30:20
    some cases it really seems to make a
  • 30:22
    difference the problem is we don't know
  • 30:23
    for whom that is and it's essentially
  • 30:26
    risk free it is risk free the out of the
  • 30:29
    there's rheumatologist here in Los
  • 30:31
    Angeles that has something like a
  • 30:32
    thousand patient ears collected and he
  • 30:34
    said he's never seen a single
  • 30:35
    side-effect from him so it's you know
  • 30:37
    it's chloroquine has a different don't
  • 30:40
    conclude confuse chloroquine and
  • 30:43
    hydroxychloroquine chloroquine is a more
  • 30:45
    risky patna risky deal with more cardiac
  • 30:47
    stuff hydroxychloroquine I've used it
  • 30:50
    for 30 years and never seen never even
  • 30:52
    thought about worrying about the cardiac
  • 30:53
    stuff it's so rare if somebody we're on
  • 30:55
    methadone with a prolonged QT interval
  • 30:57
    then we might think about it but it's in
  • 30:59
    a normal heart situation no
  • 31:01
    No aah and so there you have a this guy
  • 31:05
    a small data point that yes you can say
  • 31:08
    about chloroquine but hydroxychloroquine
  • 31:10
    is a whole different deal so there's
  • 31:12
    just something to keep your eye on
  • 31:14
    but Trump felt the assault coming and he
  • 31:18
    has an interesting response he's putting
  • 31:20
    everybody on notice because of course we
  • 31:22
    know how this works and I do have a few
  • 31:24
    clips about the the business model that
  • 31:27
    were looking into so here's the here's
  • 31:32
    Trump who all of a sudden out of the
  • 31:34
    blue just starts talking about PEPFAR
  • 31:37
    then PEPFAR is the presidential aides
  • 31:41
    fund that is I think mainly
  • 31:43
    administrated by CDC in the Gates
  • 31:46
    Foundation
  • 31:46
    now throughout Africa but around the
  • 31:48
    world and this has been keeping people
  • 31:52
    alive who have AIDS that's the story and
  • 31:54
    they're sticking to it and the first
  • 31:57
    thing he does is he calls out the good
  • 31:59
    work that some of the money that is made
  • 32:01
    available to the NIH in their budget is
  • 32:04
    doing and I think he what he's doing
  • 32:07
    here is by is isolating dr. Burks from
  • 32:10
    what is about to come experts at the NIH
  • 32:13
    is actually now recommending against the
  • 32:15
    use of hydroxychloroquine in combination
  • 32:18
    with z-pak which is something you always
  • 32:21
    willing to take a look fret undecided
  • 32:24
    was the question I'm sorry here we go
  • 32:25
    PEPFAR we're spending the United States
  • 32:29
    for that help to the best of my
  • 32:32
    knowledge mostly in Africa six billion
  • 32:35
    dollars a year and that's one age what
  • 32:38
    we've done for AIDS in Africa is
  • 32:41
    unbelievable we spent six billion
  • 32:43
    dollars a year that's been going on for
  • 32:45
    a long time nobody knows that you've
  • 32:48
    never heard that I've never heard that
  • 32:50
    six billion dollars a year
  • 32:52
    millions of people are living right now
  • 32:54
    and living very comfortably because of
  • 32:57
    the fact that we have found the answer
  • 33:00
    to that horrible horrible plague that
  • 33:04
    was a plague but we spent six billion
  • 33:06
    dollars a year and from what I hear it's
  • 33:09
    very well spent
  • 33:10
    done by professionals including this
  • 33:12
    great professional right here that was
  • 33:14
    the thing that you worked hardest on and
  • 33:16
    something that was very close to her
  • 33:18
    heart so it's you know it's something
  • 33:21
    that I think people should start hearing
  • 33:23
    the World Health Organization we're just
  • 33:27
    finding more and more problems and we
  • 33:29
    spend this money really well there are
  • 33:31
    other ways we can spend the five hundred
  • 33:34
    million dollars so that's his wind-up so
  • 33:36
    he moves from and it's out of the blue
  • 33:39
    there's no question about PEPFAR or NIH
  • 33:41
    he just says PEPFAR really good hey it's
  • 33:44
    six billion dollars no one we're the
  • 33:46
    ones doing that would keep up people I
  • 33:47
    that's pretty good then he goes into a
  • 33:49
    whole spiel about the World Health
  • 33:51
    Organization ridiculous that we send
  • 33:53
    five hundred million dollars a year
  • 33:54
    there the money's better spent and then
  • 33:57
    it arrives but we can find other ways
  • 34:00
    suspended where people are going to be
  • 34:03
    helped we think it a much greater in a
  • 34:05
    much greater way we're doing some
  • 34:07
    research on certain people that take a
  • 34:09
    lot of credit for what they do and NIH
  • 34:13
    is giving away a lot of money a lot of
  • 34:17
    money we give away for years for many
  • 34:19
    years they've give away a lot of money
  • 34:21
    and some people complain and some people
  • 34:24
    don't some people are extremely happy so
  • 34:26
    we're looking into that also
  • 34:27
    they're giving away proximately as I
  • 34:30
    understand it recently more than thirty
  • 34:32
    two billion dollars e thirty two billion
  • 34:34
    and so we've been looking at that for a
  • 34:38
    while and we're gonna be having some
  • 34:40
    statements to be made about that thirty
  • 34:43
    two billion dollars a year it's a lot of
  • 34:45
    money and we want to make sure it's
  • 34:46
    being spent wisely and we've been doing
  • 34:48
    that by the way and
  • 34:50
    we'll have some statements on that we're
  • 34:54
    investigating certain people who take a
  • 34:59
    lot of credit but they're spit there's a
  • 35:02
    lot of money and a lot of money we're
  • 35:04
    looking into this money where is it
  • 35:05
    going holy crap he put people on notice
  • 35:07
    with that I'd say NIH which is such a
  • 35:14
    cesspool yeah well that's where they
  • 35:17
    moved this guy they move this character
  • 35:20
    yeah yeah the guy who got to push bacon
  • 35:24
    off of one thing and move to the other
  • 35:25
    end maybe but did there was a moment in
  • 35:28
    the press conference and they're talking
  • 35:29
    about which somebody kept bringing this
  • 35:30
    up and Trump finally got Kirk and he to
  • 35:36
    me what he does in this clip is he pulls
  • 35:39
    a Joe Pesci and he starts saying you you
  • 35:43
    what do you know what way and he just
  • 35:44
    goes after this woman she this is the
  • 35:49
    gift the gifts clip where this woman
  • 35:52
    reporter comes out and she says well
  • 35:54
    this man you think because he has all
  • 35:56
    these gifts and he's his gifted and she
  • 35:59
    keeps emphasizing this word gifts until
  • 36:02
    a Trump can't take it anymore jumps into
  • 36:04
    the into the into the fray dr. bright
  • 36:08
    and knowing what his gifts are the
  • 36:11
    country's leading
  • 36:13
    experts on Maxine gifs best suited at
  • 36:17
    NIH rather than Barba what's he gonna be
  • 36:19
    doing with you what is he going to be
  • 36:22
    doing it at the NIH are his gifts best
  • 36:26
    suited to work rather oh yeah I don't
  • 36:29
    really think I can come in on somebody's
  • 36:31
    relative gifts I mean he's gonna be at
  • 36:34
    the NIH and he's gonna be responsible
  • 36:35
    from what I hear again this is what I've
  • 36:38
    heard that he's gonna be responsible for
  • 36:41
    the development of Diagnostics which is
  • 36:43
    very very important the NIH is going to
  • 36:47
    be involved in trying to develop new
  • 36:49
    generation Diagnostics which we feel is
  • 36:52
    going to be very important for the
  • 36:54
    future of being able to facilitate the
  • 36:56
    kinds of things that now are sometimes
  • 36:58
    problematic has great gifts or gifts
  • 37:02
    what do you know him
  • 37:03
    no no but have you read it have you
  • 37:06
    studied him have you reported on him you
  • 37:09
    said his gifts his gifts I mean but they
  • 37:16
    can't hit 150 that you talk about his
  • 37:20
    great gifts he's well-endowed there's
  • 37:26
    many great gifts yeah you know thank you
  • 37:30
    for bringing that up because it shows
  • 37:32
    how they're pulled their circling the
  • 37:34
    wagons hey hey hey hey you got way too
  • 37:36
    far in front of this man you're showing
  • 37:38
    the flag too much pullback pullback
  • 37:40
    retreat stick him in Diagnostics I don't
  • 37:46
    know what that was going out with that
  • 37:47
    guy well he got out she pulled him back
  • 37:49
    or someone in the NIH because the Trump
  • 37:52
    is on to them he's a hunter he's like
  • 37:54
    okay I didn't know about this six
  • 37:56
    billion dollars for PEPFAR okay
  • 37:58
    reasonable how about the the other 22
  • 38:01
    billion well at 32 what was that's the
  • 38:04
    total so there's 30 there should be 26
  • 38:07
    left after the after the six to two
  • 38:10
    PEPFAR and then the 500,000 to the w-h-o
  • 38:16
    it's
  • 38:19
    I look forward to seeing what things
  • 38:22
    he'll be saying about it in the next day
  • 38:25
    Media is just gonna keep attacking but
  • 38:27
    he'll do it in the briefing we get to
  • 38:29
    see it we get I don't give a crap about
  • 38:31
    you I don't give a crap do gifts what is
  • 38:34
    this with this gift you know this guy
  • 38:36
    you know this guy he's got gifts that
  • 38:39
    was the gift seized that was the gifts
  • 38:42
    that was the same reporter who two days
  • 38:46
    earlier was she's an activist reporter
  • 38:49
    although she she's been in the briefing
  • 38:52
    room several times she's from CBS and
  • 38:55
    that woman
  • 38:57
    well--there's yes this is not the one
  • 38:59
    who worked for the Phoenix Hong Kong
  • 39:00
    media but she her name is Wei Zhang Wei
  • 39:07
    Xiao Jiang reporters oh listen to this
  • 39:11
    exchange which is this is not asking
  • 39:14
    questions she has been sent in to debate
  • 39:17
    the president and I'll hand it to him he
  • 39:21
    debates her and I think the whole idea
  • 39:23
    was let's send in a woman who's Asian
  • 39:26
    anything he says will rip him apart well
  • 39:29
    you can go look at the headlines
  • 39:30
    tell us woman to quiet down not so loud
  • 39:34
    calm down racist Asian something else on
  • 39:42
    TV today I have a question about
  • 39:44
    something you said on Thursday which is
  • 39:45
    that you were angry because information
  • 39:48
    about the virus should have been told to
  • 39:50
    us earlier and a lot sooner
  • 39:54
    so what's interesting here is she is so
  • 39:57
    there's really two there's three tactics
  • 39:59
    one well used to be mass and it was
  • 40:02
    ventilators now it's testing so there's
  • 40:04
    the testing and then there's the
  • 40:06
    timeline we still want to establish
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    through the CIA Broadcasting Corporation
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    this time that you dragged your feet mr.
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    president you have blood on your hands
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    that's what they're getting set up with
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    the with the committee's for to do
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    another impeachment many Americans are
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    saying the exact same thing about you
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    that you should have warned them the
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    virus was spreading like wildfire the
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    month of February said according rallies
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    with thousands of people why did you
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    wait so long and why did you not have
  • 40:44
    social distancing until March 16 for
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    yours wheat judging with CBS News so if
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    you look at what I did in terms of
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    cutting off or banning China from coming
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    in national she's got it off Chinese
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    yelling everything at him
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    or banning China from coming in
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    Nationals but by the way not Americans
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    who are also I have to admit I would not
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    I wouldn't say that to anyone let alone
  • 41:22
    a woman nice and easy just relax wait if
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    while you're interrupting me I gotta try
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    it we should all try this man is a good
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    idea if your wife is talking just say
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    hey hey nice and easy relax the rest of
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    this or not oh no I didn't know is no
  • 41:39
    it's just it's I gotta stop was too
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    funny people were amazed these gentlemen
  • 41:50
    everybody was amazed that I did it we're
  • 41:53
    21 people in a room everybody was
  • 41:55
    against it but me doctor fell she said
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    had I not done that perhaps tens of
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    thousands and maybe much more than that
  • 42:03
    people would have died I was very early
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    very very early and we just saw you so
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    Britt bear making a statement they had a
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    debate well into February and not even
  • 42:15
    mentioned it wasn't even mentioned the
  • 42:17
    Democrats is this normal behavior when
  • 42:27
    you're in the in the press briefing room
  • 42:29
    with the President to just interrupt him
  • 42:31
    and say and by the way I've never no ban
  • 42:36
    you from being a getting credentials for
  • 42:38
    being at all they're not gonna do that
  • 42:40
    I mentioned it wasn't even mentioned the
  • 42:42
    Democrats yeah okay you know how many
  • 42:54
    people when I issued the bed how many
  • 42:56
    cases a virus were in the United States
  • 42:58
    when I wish you'd the bed you know the
  • 42:59
    number
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    no no how many pieces remember I said
  • 43:03
    one person how many cases were here when
  • 43:06
    I issued the ban did you know no no do
  • 43:08
    you have to be a researcher that you
  • 43:13
    knew this was going to be a pension tell
  • 43:15
    you what I did know it I did know it all
  • 43:16
    I have to do is look anybody knew it
  • 43:19
    just are you ready how many cases were
  • 43:21
    in the United States what I did my band
  • 43:23
    how many people had died in the United
  • 43:26
    States he said loudly cases were in the
  • 43:36
    United States I did a band where I'm
  • 43:38
    closing up the entire country how many
  • 43:41
    people died how many people died in the
  • 43:44
    United States and yet I closed up the
  • 43:47
    country and I believe there were no
  • 43:49
    deaths zero deaths at the time I closed
  • 43:52
    up the country nobody was there and you
  • 43:55
    should say thank you very much for good
  • 43:57
    judgment go ahead please she'll be back
  • 44:00
    I predict this is not the end of this
  • 44:02
    one I saw you like once this but CBS
  • 44:07
    takes it to another level I got to play
  • 44:09
    some clips yeah please this is CBS just
  • 44:12
    a short clip nine seconds this is the
  • 44:13
    kind of slant we're getting off of CBS
  • 44:15
    this is the CBS slant as protesters in
  • 44:20
    Richmond Virginia some link to
  • 44:21
    conservative groups descended on the
  • 44:23
    state capitol they demanded Virginia be
  • 44:25
    reopened for business what do you mean
  • 44:28
    some link to conservative who are the
  • 44:30
    other ones linked to oh man it goes so
  • 44:34
    much further than this well let's play
  • 44:37
    another one here let's go with Nora with
  • 44:40
    the misleading opening good evening and
  • 44:43
    thank you for joining us there are two
  • 44:44
    major headlines as we come on the air
  • 44:46
    tonight putting scientists at odds with
  • 44:49
    the Trump administration researchers
  • 44:51
    behind one of the leading coronavirus
  • 44:53
    models one that the White House has
  • 44:55
    repeatedly cited now says most of the
  • 44:57
    country should not consider lifting
  • 44:59
    stay-at-home orders until the end of May
  • 45:02
    the new model comes as protests to
  • 45:05
    reopen are growing and just as some
  • 45:07
    southern governors are already loosening
  • 45:09
    their restrictions meantime tonight the
  • 45:11
    scientist in charge of coordinating the
  • 45:13
    government's
  • 45:13
    and search for a corona virus vaccine
  • 45:15
    says he has been abruptly ousted from
  • 45:18
    his job because of what he calls
  • 45:20
    politics and cronyism dr. Rick bright
  • 45:23
    the head of a little-known agency called
  • 45:25
    Barda says he was sidelined after
  • 45:27
    refusing to push for what he calls quote
  • 45:30
    on-demand access to hydroxychloroquine
  • 45:33
    that is the drug that President Trump
  • 45:35
    has repeatedly mentioned as a treatment
  • 45:37
    for covin 19 even though it hasn't been
  • 45:40
    approved for that use now all of this as
  • 45:42
    the death toll in the u.s. has now
  • 45:44
    passed 46,000 Wow this is worse listen
  • 45:52
    to this one this is the famine coming
  • 45:54
    clip yes further tonight the UN is
  • 45:58
    warning that the pandemic is putting the
  • 46:00
    world at risk of widespread famines of
  • 46:02
    biblical proportions there are growing
  • 46:05
    concerns about food supplies in this
  • 46:07
    country especially in America's meat