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1232: GuangoCast

Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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April 9th, 2020
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Woodstock
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    refried beans man Adam curry Jhansi
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    Dvorak Thursday April 9 2020 this is
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    your award-winning Gitmo nation media
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    assassination episode 1232 this is no
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    agenda capital of the drone star state
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    in the morning everybody by Adam Curry
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    and from northern Silicon Valley where
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    we're still awaiting the surge I'm Jesse
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    Devorah I can barely fit the episode
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    numbers in the intro anymore so 1232
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    maybe 32 maybe yesterday Joe just go to
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    12 32 just sounds so big when you say
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    hundreds hundreds
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    you never say hundreds you say twelve
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    thirty-two I say 1232 oh do you yeah I
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    guess I should drop it now because I
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    can't fit it in anymore it's getting too
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    long imagine where 10 thousands can be
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    crazy
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    well welcome John to the seat will be
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    welcome to the six-foot Society that's
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    where we are now I don't
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    what's the reference oh you're six feet
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    of separation is the six foot society oh
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    yes yes and I'm stealing this from the
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    meter-and-a-half society as proclaimed
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    by the Dutch prime minister of Hertha ah
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    interesting that they basically only do
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    5 feet distancing oh my god they're
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    taking such a chance metre and a half is
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    not six feet I'm sorry so I don't know
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    why that's not consistent in fact we've
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    been duped we've been had we've been
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    sold down the river we've been screwed
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    we've been lied to
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    the data is junk
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    everything we're being shown is based
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    upon bullcrap data
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    inconsistent data models that change not
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    once not twice not three times but four
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    times and I gotta tell you ouchy and
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    Burks have fallen through the basket
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    Tony had a clip about this I got a
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    number of clips about this about the new
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    numbers
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    I got will remind people that the
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    initial numbers and Trump was has been
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    condemned for this the initial numbers
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    were two million Americans dad let's go
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    to the videotape
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    then I'm surprised you didn't ask me
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    about the term that Burks and fowey have
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    fallen through the basket but I guess
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    you just accepted that I'm throwing a
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    new why did you use that term basket
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    it's throwing in a new dutch ism really
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    what is a Dutch thing yes you don't
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    really want me just chiming on every
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    single word you use I hope of course
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    that that's what I always expect from
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    you anyway they'd fallen through the
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    basket both of them yes I agree yeah so
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    that's the that's the Dutch ISM so the
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    data is wrong the models are wrong the
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    numbers are wrong I'm not going to say
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    anyone lied to us just yet because that
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    would mean that was really premeditated
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    I'm not sure about that but let's go
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    through a number of clips to show you
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    what is incredibly wrong and as you said
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    the two million number is what we
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    started on based on the model from
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    Washington State that's the the Bill
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    Gates backed data health.org
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    and that was even before the last show
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    they ratcheted that down to two hundred
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    thousand and said well we didn't have
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    the mitigation practices built into the
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    model which I believe that already is a
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    lie because I'm pretty sure it was sold
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    to us as this is what's going to happen
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    but okay well we'll take that we'll take
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    it down the 200,000 as you know as of
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    yesterday it's now sixty thousand dead
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    predicted in the United States but let's
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    not forget to intermediate think they
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    had eighty oh yeah I'm saying it's four
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    they've had
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    or changes and so the president did his
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    his little show yesterday he actually
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    had a very good rapport with the
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    journalist there was not a lot of
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    shouting back and forth he even took a
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    serious question from Jim Acosta from
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    CNN his arch nemesis and treated it as a
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    reasonable question last week your top
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    experts were saying that we should
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    expect a hundred thousand two hundred
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    forty thousand deaths in this country
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    you've been talking about how it looks
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    like maybe things are pledge telling are
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    these numbers now being revised downward
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    I know you don't want people to stop
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    social distancing and that sort of thing
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    but what can you tell us about the
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    numbers I think you're right yeah my
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    impression Jim is those were the numbers
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    that were set and they were set as an
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    expectation from quite a while ago I
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    think we're just doing much better than
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    those numbers if either of you would
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    like to talk about that a fair question
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    yeah so a Trump of course loves these
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    numbers because he's managing against
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    them and that's what numbers are for
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    that's why you want a model a model is
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    not to be taken as the gospel even
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    though it's different in climate change
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    of course but it's a it's a dashboard
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    it's it's a dashboard and he loves the
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    numbers going down because it makes
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    everything look good now let's hear the
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    answer to the same question and this
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    time from dr. Burks yes I think all of
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    you many of you have done the analysis
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    of the same models that we utilized and
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    if you do the models of the models you
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    know the models of the models I got to
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    stop you right there
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    horseshit there's no models of the
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    models what you're saying is you're
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    taking an average from four not one two
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    three four flawed models and say oh this
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    is an average and then you're saying
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    that you modeled this horseshit models
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    that we utilized and and if you do the
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    models of the models you end up with
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    that range at the same time we carefully
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    looked at Italy and Spain and we are
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    doing much better in many cases than
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    several other countries and we're trying
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    to understand that we believe that our
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    health care delivery system in the
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    United States is quite extraordinary I
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    know many of you are watching the act
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    now
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    and III hme model from and they have
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    consistently decreased the number the
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    mortality from over almost 90 thousand
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    or eighty eight eighty six thousand down
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    to eighty one thousand and now down to
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    sixty one thousand how is that what's
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    happening what's going on is modeled on
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    what America is doing bull crap these
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    models starting for sure started with
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    the two hundred and forty thousand
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    top-level model from the IMH IHM II was
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    including mitigation measures the guy
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    said I'm changing this he did it for the
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    UK and for the rest of the world he said
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    is because mitigation is now built in
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    but no now these numbers which are
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    flawed models and models of models like
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    the backup to the backup to the backup
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    no no that's for a different reasons
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    that's what's happening and I think what
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    has been so remarkable I think to those
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    of us who have been in the science
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    fields for so long is how important
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    behavioral change is oh and how amazing
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    Americans are the models didn't change
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    we change the models behavior I just
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    want to stop for a second and just
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    remind the audience who was I would say
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    borderline in love with this woman just
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    a few weeks ago me totally absolutely
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    because she's the only one giving out
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    information and now that we know that
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    the information is bullcrap she's the
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    one telling us so I still like her for
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    that reason because she has a very
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    specific job her job is to communicate
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    what's going on so now it's very easy to
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    see when she's lying whether I was
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    enamored with her or not
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    I've paid attention to her unlike all
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    the media shows and that's what's
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    changing the rate of new cases and
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    that's what will change the mortality
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    going forward because now we're in to
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    the time period a full mitigation that
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    should be reflected within the coming
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    weeks of decreasing mortality I mean
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    that's what we really hope to see
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    we are impressed by the American people
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    and I think models are models I've
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    always worked on validating I spent my
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    life validating models all over the
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    world and that's why we do surveys and
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    surveillance and we make sure that what
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    we think is right is right I think this
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    will change how people look at
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    respiratory diseases because it will
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    change what is possible when the globe
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    and particularly the American people do
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    this level of mitigation and I think as
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    I talked about yesterday we are still so
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    we are still in off really of the
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    American people strength in this and
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    following through total lie and she
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    brings up the the Italy numbers the
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    Spain numbers which I thought was all
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    settled we all knew was going on and now
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    we get an admission from dr. Burks that
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    indeed and even though she doesn't
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    understand what she's even saying in
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    this clip indeed they're just marking
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    every death as kovat 19 and she admits
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    to that here which by the way we
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    recognized this in the show almost
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    immediately weeks ago
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    yeah weeks ago particularly with the
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    Italian numbers there are other
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    countries that if you had a pre-existing
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    condition and let's say the virus called
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    you to go to the ICU and then have a
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    heart or kidney problem some countries
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    are recording that as a heart issue or a
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    kidney issue and not a Kovan 19 death
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    right now we're still recording it and
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    we all I mean the great thing about
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    having forms that come in and a form
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    that has the ability to mark it as
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    covert 19 infection the intent is right
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    now that those if someone dies with
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    kovat 19 we are counting that as a copa
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    19 death are you can you be sure
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    from coroner's that that's not
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    necessarily of the case are you sure how
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    can you be so confident about that and
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    is there any concern that it's used the
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    data that you're trying to collect in
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    terms of projections things like that
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    well I think that would apply more to
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    rural areas that may not have the same
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    level of testing but I am pretty
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    confident in New York City and New
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    Jersey and places that have these large
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    outbreaks and kovat only hospitals I can
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    tell you they are testing in New York
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    and New Jersey together have a by
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    proportion are testing extraordinary
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    well as Washington State and Louisiana
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    so I don't see that there's been a
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    barrier and testing to diagnosis so if
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    you test someone who died of something
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    else and they have kovat 19:00 then
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    you're marked as a kovat 19 death there
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    is clip after clip after clip which I'm
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    not gonna play of doctors of hospital
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    specialists saying we're coding these
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    wrong these deaths are being coded wrong
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    it's skewing the data now let's go talk
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    to Chris Murray this is the guy who
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    created the Washington you know the IH
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    ME Washington model the Bill Gates guy
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    and he's not in line with what Burke's
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    is saying here recall the models changed
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    because we're doing so well because
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    mitigation is doing so well even though
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    mitigation is supposed to be built into
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    those models Chris Murray was on pooper
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    the other night you just explained the
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    new changes to your model says we've had
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    you on before and you've always pointed
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    out as more information comes in as more
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    data comes in the numbers will change
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    why the lowering now so two key things
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    we've been able to incorporate with all
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    the influx of new data United States
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    first we found out a lot more about
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    Hospital practice and so what we're
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    seeing is that oh yeah there's a I have
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    a lot of tell clips this guy is coughing
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    to seeing is that hospitals particularly
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    in New York but elsewhere in the country
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    are admitting fewer people compared to
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    what the original data suggested you
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    know compared to every death that we
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    see they're putting fewer people into
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    the ICU and there's lower ventilator
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    requirements so that's brought down the
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    sort of shortage estimates quite a bit
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    because of that new data influx and the
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    other big news is I'm sorry it's oh I'm
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    sorry it's because of a new data influx
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    that scientists speak for bullcrap that
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    new data influx and the other big news
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    is that we're seeing peaks in the
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    epidemic in other places other than
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    China in Italy in Spain in fact seven
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    different regions have seen the epidemic
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    peak and come down and that really
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    informs our models about the impact and
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    the effectiveness of social distancing
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    okay so it informs my model my model
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    sitting there waiting for some
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    information bullcrap and not it not
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    anything about mitigation no this is
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    about the numbers so he's not agreeing
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    with what dr. Brooks just said moreover
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    his model has very different
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    presumptions remember they have
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    mitigation built into the models we're
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    working on an April 30 timeline could be
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    extended but that's it April 30 let's
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    check in with Chris Murray and see what
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    his model is actually based on dr.
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    Murray - question do you know wait why
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    the White House's numbers have been
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    higher than yours when your model was
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    saying 80,000 s as well a while ago
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    that's when they came out with you a
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    hundred thousand to two hundred forty
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    thousand figure would you know why why
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    their numbers have been higher so in our
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    models we are building in the assumption
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    that social distancing is going to stay
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    in place till we hit the threshold when
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    we think the first wave is essentially
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    over and that's we use a number which is
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    0.3 deaths per million people in the US
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    so basically 60 deaths in United States
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    in a day would be that threshold and
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    that should come first week of June and
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    so we're building in the assumption that
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    social distancing is in place until then
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    we will start to release hopefully later
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    this week or by the weekend what might
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    happen if we take social distancing off
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    before then and we're pretty confident
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    we'll just see a rebound of the epidemic
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    if if that's what was to happen so his
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    model he
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    based on mitigation all the way through
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    May up until June so the numbers now
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    that numbers really don't make sense but
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    it doesn't matter because Bill Gates is
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    really happy with foutch e presenting
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    all these great numbers to the American
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    people beware of the TEL well if we do
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    the social distancing properly we should
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    be able to get out of this with the
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    death number well short of that it's
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    very important that those numbers are
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    out there because a lot of people are
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    still thinking hey isn't like normal not
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    waking up every day to a completely new
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    reality and so I was very glad that
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    those models are out there you know dr.
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    foutch he's doing a very good job doctor
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    she's doing a very good job saying the
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    numbers or what count here and you know
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    the various models that we Imperial
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    University do show that without this
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    dramatic behavior change you could even
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    get worse than that so these models and
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    these people in particular and let's
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    make sure we know they're all connected
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    World Health Organization Bill and
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    Melinda Gates Foundation foul Qi through
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    being on advisory boards and Burkes on
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    advisory boards with the Gates
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    Foundation or one of her daughter's
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    works for the Gates Foundation there is
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    a foul Qi in vaccination trials trials
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    with the Gates Foundation and the niña
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    NIAID the well let's just keep those
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    connections for now who gave them the
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    authority to shut the country down well
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    the data did this flawed data and Trump
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    confirms this again when you look the
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    question was just asked about you know
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    about how we doing compared to
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    projections those were just original
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    projections the big projection being 2.2
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    million people would die if we did
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    nothing that was another decision we
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    made close it up that was a big decision
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    that we made
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    two very smart people walked into my
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    office and they said listen these are
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    your alternatives and that was a
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    projection of I guess 1.5 to 2.2 million
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    people would die if we didn't close it
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    up so two people came into his office so
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    foul Qi and Burkes
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    they showed the models they said we're
  • 17:26
    all gonna die and the president made the
  • 17:28
    only decision he could at the time based
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    upon this complete horsecrap down to
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    your alternatives and that was a
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    projection of I guess 1.52 2.2 million
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    people would die if we didn't close it
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    up that's a lot of people so if we do a
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    number that's tremendously smaller than
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    that now if we did close it up the
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    numbers got to a hundred to two hundred
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    and twenty million people so if we can
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    stay substantially under the hundred
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    which was the original projection I
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    think we all did a very good job and so
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    Trump of course it's the only way out is
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    to beat the numbers and he knows he's
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    got it made it's in the bag 60,000
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    deaths total in the United States is
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    equal to the 2017-2018 flu season sixty
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    one thousand people yeah so you know
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    it's like how many of these are flu two
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    now I should mention a couple things the
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    Democrats aren't seeing it this way
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    didn't listen to the experts and he was
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    way too late on shutting down everything
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    yep he's connectors a lot of messaging
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    and I want people to be very cognizant
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    of this and it's not just a little bit
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    of messaging that this is a last
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    desperation hope by the way for the
  • 18:43
    Democrats but the messaging is
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    everywhere and that messaging is
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    consistently the same not enough was
  • 18:50
    done soon enough of course he was
  • 18:53
    supposed to be doing all this right in
  • 18:54
    the middle of the impeachment oh yes but
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    but even when I was watching and I have
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    one clip that backs this up and I could
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    have gotten a lot more and I'm gonna
  • 19:01
    start collecting him because they're all
  • 19:03
    over the place because they are
  • 19:04
    unfortunate they're very collectible and
  • 19:06
    you know me and france24 had some girl
  • 19:10
    they were talking she's out of Matt the
  • 19:12
    thing over her face and she's talking
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    that she's an in Paris bitching about
  • 19:16
    she's saying this situations lasted way
  • 19:19
    too long
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    and it didn't start soon enough we
  • 19:24
    should have said dresses sooner so she's
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    doing one of those the joke of you know
  • 19:29
    the food here is terrible you know or
  • 19:31
    those prices are so high the Middle
  • 19:33
    Eastern you know the running gag about
  • 19:36
    the contradictory commentary and and
  • 19:40
    this is you starting to hear this all
  • 19:41
    yeah well if Trump had done something
  • 19:43
    sooner all Trump and it's a known fact
  • 19:45
    that Trump didn't get do anything sooner
  • 19:48
    and mine and meanwhile of course when he
  • 19:50
    did shut down certain flights from China
  • 19:52
    uh everybody bitched at him for being a
  • 19:56
    racist and Nancy Pelosi did an ad in San
  • 19:59
    Francisco saying come to Chinatown and
  • 20:02
    that that's all ignored of course this
  • 20:04
    is very interesting politically what
  • 20:06
    you're trying to do here but it's it's
  • 20:08
    really aimed at Trump do you have a clip
  • 20:10
    because I have a clip of this exact
  • 20:12
    narrative if you want to hear it I want
  • 20:14
    to hear it this is of course Anderson
  • 20:16
    Cooper is opening monologue good evening
  • 20:18
    everyone there is a lot to get to
  • 20:19
    tonight some potentially positive signs
  • 20:21
    in New York the epicenter of the fight
  • 20:23
    to save infected people in plenty of
  • 20:25
    continued warnings about difficult days
  • 20:26
    and deaths ahead we're gonna get to all
  • 20:28
    of that the White House coronavirus task
  • 20:30
    force press briefing ended a short while
  • 20:32
    ago and if you tuned into it hoping to
  • 20:34
    hear from the country's top scientists
  • 20:35
    you were likely disappointed what we
  • 20:38
    mostly heard was the president what we
  • 20:40
    saw was a hijacking a hijacking of the
  • 20:43
    task force press conference by a
  • 20:44
    president determined to rewrite the
  • 20:46
    history of his early and reprehensibly
  • 20:49
    irresponsible response to this virus the
  • 20:52
    president showed us today is what the
  • 20:54
    nation's top scientists have to deal
  • 20:56
    with every day the president who now
  • 20:58
    uses these briefings as a reelection
  • 21:00
    platform an opportunity to lie to
  • 21:03
    deflect to attack to bully and cover up
  • 21:06
    his own deadly dismissals of the virus
  • 21:08
    for crucial weeks according to the
  • 21:10
    president today all governors are
  • 21:11
    getting everything they need and testing
  • 21:13
    is now and always has been great
  • 21:14
    reporters who asked fair questions but
  • 21:17
    didn't kowtow or suck up to this
  • 21:18
    president were attacked and belittled
  • 21:20
    and a special venom was reserved for
  • 21:22
    career official at HHS who he doesn't
  • 21:24
    even know who released a non-political
  • 21:26
    study with extensive interviews with
  • 21:28
    doctors and hospitals across the country
  • 21:31
    describing the
  • 21:32
    the supplies and insufficient testing
  • 21:34
    and mixed messages they've been getting
  • 21:36
    from the federal government all things
  • 21:38
    that have been reported on I just have
  • 21:40
    to point out this is not normal and it
  • 21:42
    matters because this is life and death
  • 21:46
    sorry but I can't top that one I was
  • 21:52
    lucky to find it but it jumped out at me
  • 21:55
    like I should probably make a clip out
  • 21:57
    of this so there's a couple of actual
  • 22:00
    huge media warfare arenas going on right
  • 22:05
    now that this is one obviously it's not
  • 22:09
    working too well for the the opponents
  • 22:13
    of the president because his poll
  • 22:15
    numbers appear to be doing quite well
  • 22:17
    and I think the country the country
  • 22:20
    maybe the world but the country
  • 22:21
    certainly isn't feeling a little bit
  • 22:23
    better today because the numbers seem to
  • 22:24
    be going in our favor where there was
  • 22:27
    flawed numbers to begin with or not
  • 22:28
    doesn't matter most humans are very bad
  • 22:33
    at interpreting data certainly graphs
  • 22:35
    and there's a lot of statistical bull
  • 22:38
    crap that is thrown in there well I want
  • 22:40
    to interrupt you and say there that's
  • 22:42
    true but they're not stupid about
  • 22:45
    interpreting reality right and I will
  • 22:47
    say that if the two newsletters ago that
  • 22:50
    link I had to the video of but the Cova
  • 22:52
    19 hospitals all being empty and most of
  • 22:54
    this being staged for the New York New
  • 22:57
    York specifically but the New York media
  • 22:59
    pushing it the most that these hospitals
  • 23:02
    were jammed they were jammed with people
  • 23:05
    now of course seeing videos of hospital
  • 23:07
    staff dancing around but they're jammed
  • 23:09
    with people those videos have all been
  • 23:11
    taken down by YouTube oh and do you know
  • 23:13
    how hard it is to find anything on
  • 23:15
    YouTube in general right now
  • 23:18
    just searching I was looking for
  • 23:21
    actually a bite an interview almost
  • 23:23
    impossible to find if it contains the
  • 23:25
    word Co vyd corona or you name it though
  • 23:30
    the fight that is going on has been
  • 23:32
    going on for several weeks the fight
  • 23:33
    that is being pushed against so hard
  • 23:36
    it's of course if the president says I
  • 23:39
    like this
  • 23:40
    a lot of people in the media and
  • 23:42
    certainly political opponents
  • 23:44
    immediately say oh we have to go against
  • 23:46
    this and this is hydroxychloroquine with
  • 23:51
    the combination of z-pak antibiotics
  • 23:54
    some other things that appear to be
  • 23:56
    working Trump keeps pushing it he's
  • 23:59
    setting the country up just in case it
  • 24:01
    works
  • 24:02
    and although anecdotally we hear it does
  • 24:04
    so he's pushing this continuously this
  • 24:06
    is his latest effort as American
  • 24:08
    industry steps up to help so are
  • 24:10
    America's doctors and scientists ten
  • 24:12
    drugs are now in clinical trials and my
  • 24:16
    administration is taking unprecedented
  • 24:18
    actions to make new therapies and
  • 24:21
    treatments available without delay the
  • 24:24
    the doctors the lab technicians the
  • 24:27
    companies I spoke to him yesterday I
  • 24:29
    spoke again today they are coming up
  • 24:32
    with things that are I think I hope in
  • 24:35
    the very near future are going to be
  • 24:36
    very very special very important our
  • 24:39
    national stockpile is now equipped with
  • 24:42
    nearly 30 million hydroxychloroquine
  • 24:46
    pills so we're up to about 30 million
  • 24:49
    we're distributing by the millions you
  • 24:51
    read about state representative Karen
  • 24:55
    Whitsett who I very much appreciate her
  • 24:58
    going public but she was I think very
  • 25:01
    very much helped by this pill as she saw
  • 25:04
    what I was saying on television she
  • 25:07
    thought she was in very bad shape I
  • 25:09
    don't want to go further than that but
  • 25:10
    you see her story you know her story
  • 25:12
    she's a highly respected state rep from
  • 25:16
    Michigan the xethru Meissen and and zinc
  • 25:21
    they say is ink
  • 25:22
    you should add zinc now social has to be
  • 25:26
    recommended by doctors physicians but
  • 25:28
    they say zinc I want to throw that out
  • 25:30
    there because that's where they seem to
  • 25:32
    be having the best result so you add the
  • 25:36
    zinc and the raw Meissen and it's been
  • 25:42
    we've had a lot of good stories a lot of
  • 25:45
    good stories and we have almost 30
  • 25:48
    million doses so we've got a lot I want
  • 25:51
    to thank Prime Minister Modi of India
  • 25:53
    for allowing us to have what we
  • 25:56
    requested from before the the problem
  • 25:59
    arose and he was terrific we'll remember
  • 26:03
    it so that's an important point with the
  • 26:06
    world now going after hydroxychloroquine
  • 26:10
    India was actually holding back all
  • 26:12
    shipments and most of it is manufactured
  • 26:14
    in India they were holding it back but
  • 26:17
    Trump put in the call and said yep we
  • 26:19
    need it and Modi said you got it you
  • 26:22
    heard all of the different data points
  • 26:23
    there the most interesting one is this
  • 26:26
    Michigan representative Karen Whitsett
  • 26:30
    in Detroit and Michigan is one of the I
  • 26:34
    think it is the state that the governor
  • 26:36
    said illegal to sell hydroxychloroquine
  • 26:40
    all all in against the truck the the
  • 26:42
    president this is no good you can't have
  • 26:44
    this we're forbidding the sale of it
  • 26:47
    here is a short clip done herself of
  • 26:51
    this model
  • 26:52
    well actually Nevada was the guy that
  • 26:56
    was the governor who was really the know
  • 26:58
    you can't use it under any circumstances
  • 27:00
    I forbid it
  • 27:00
    I'm pretty fish again I don't know that
  • 27:02
    there was adamant maybe
  • 27:05
    well now I got to look it up I'm pretty
  • 27:08
    sure it was well I'll let you listen to
  • 27:12
    the clip and hear what she says I really
  • 27:15
    want to say that you know you have to
  • 27:17
    give this an opportunity and for me it
  • 27:21
    saves my life that I'm essentially
  • 27:22
    believed that once I got into something
  • 27:24
    like that I may not have actually come
  • 27:26
    out and that was my biggest fear and I
  • 27:29
    knew that this medication would possibly
  • 27:32
    save me if the President had not if the
  • 27:34
    President had not talked about this it
  • 27:36
    would not be something that's accessible
  • 27:37
    for anyone to be able to have kidnapped
  • 27:39
    right now it would not even be possible
  • 27:41
    and I mean that it was honestly because
  • 27:45
    I did have a difficult time even that
  • 27:47
    day obtaining the medication because of
  • 27:49
    an order that was put down in my stake
  • 27:51
    headline Michigan Governor who banned
  • 27:54
    anti coronavirus drug touted by Trump
  • 27:57
    now asking for shipments of it it was
  • 27:59
    banned by her and you hear the state rep
  • 28:02
    saying it was even hard to get it but it
  • 28:05
    saved her apparently
  • 28:06
    now this governor's got to go this
  • 28:11
    suggesting she's gonna be the vice
  • 28:13
    president candidate with with Biden well
  • 28:16
    good
  • 28:16
    bring her in there'd be some fun
  • 28:20
    questions during the debate so let's
  • 28:22
    look at some other m5m opinions on this
  • 28:26
    hydroxychloroquine shall we now she's
  • 28:28
    seen those studies are not scientific
  • 28:30
    and chloroquine the drug used to treat
  • 28:32
    malaria and lupus also carries
  • 28:35
    cardiovascular risks but the president
  • 28:37
    continues to endorse the drug President
  • 28:39
    Trump is asked what do you have to lose
  • 28:41
    medical experts say in your life what do
  • 28:44
    you have to lose
  • 28:47
    well potentially you can lose your life
  • 28:49
    experts say there isn't enough clinical
  • 28:51
    data to show it's effective for
  • 28:53
    coronavirus and it is some serious side
  • 28:56
    effects we continue today to push
  • 28:59
    hydroxychloroquine in a way that is
  • 29:02
    baffling to medical professionals Gene
  • 29:06
    Robinson you write in the Washington
  • 29:07
    Post the one word that proves why
  • 29:09
    President Trump should not be President
  • 29:12
    what is it hydroxychloroquine okay it
  • 29:18
    appears the media is somewhat against
  • 29:21
    this what therefore we'll get to in a
  • 29:23
    moment and it's gotten so bad during the
  • 29:25
    daily corona Brite virus task force
  • 29:29
    briefings the president is now just
  • 29:31
    intervening and would you also weigh in
  • 29:33
    on this issue hydroxychloroquine what
  • 29:36
    would you think about this and he's not
  • 29:47
    even letting Falchi answer anymore
  • 29:49
    because foul she is very very cagey and
  • 29:52
    he's like well you know it's kind of
  • 29:54
    here it's kind of there I mean he's he's
  • 29:56
    playing his he's kind of playing his
  • 29:58
    role meanwhile here is Professor Dr
  • 30:02
    Governor Cuomo in New York kind of
  • 30:05
    admitting without really saying it that
  • 30:08
    it kind of works drug trial of hydroxy
  • 30:11
    fluorine and chlorine going we have well
  • 30:15
    that's your New York media and they're
  • 30:17
    still a little behind you see Gloria
  • 30:19
    she's still working on chlorine and but
  • 30:21
    this is the this is the level of
  • 30:23
    reporting that you're getting so
  • 30:24
    remember garbage in garbage out it's
  • 30:26
    drug trial of hydroxy chlorine and
  • 30:29
    chlorine going we have we're using we've
  • 30:35
    allowed usage of the hydroxychloroquine
  • 30:39
    with the zithromax packs back
  • 30:44
    in hospitals at their discretion
  • 30:48
    there has been an atonal evidence that
  • 30:50
    it is promising that's why we're going
  • 30:53
    ahead doctors have to prescribe it there
  • 30:56
    are some people who have pre-existing
  • 30:58
    conditions where it doesn't work or
  • 31:01
    they're taking medication that's not
  • 31:03
    consistent with this treatment but
  • 31:06
    anecdotally it's been positive we'll
  • 31:09
    have a full test once they have a large
  • 31:13
    enough sample and data set Jessie but
  • 31:15
    anecdotally it's been positive and if we
  • 31:18
    get an additional supply we can which
  • 31:21
    the federal government says they're
  • 31:22
    going to send I'm going to mention it to
  • 31:24
    the president actually going to call
  • 31:26
    them this afternoon with the Comfort
  • 31:31
    supply we can let the 14-day limit been
  • 31:34
    it's so wrong so dumb that the president
  • 31:38
    is recommending this that Governor Cuomo
  • 31:40
    is ordering more it likes to have more
  • 31:43
    is lifting the ban on people getting it
  • 31:45
    because he has more the media is not
  • 31:48
    serving you in this case there was out
  • 31:52
    the media is hurting you and people like
  • 31:54
    Glenn Robinson columnist over at the
  • 31:56
    wopo wah-wah-wah-wah-wah police really
  • 32:00
    should be ashamed of himself
  • 32:02
    Axios said that they found out from an
  • 32:07
    inside source there was a in Axios as an
  • 32:09
    NBC Comcast own web site property news
  • 32:12
    knew actually us was so cool they
  • 32:15
    reported on a big fight behind the
  • 32:19
    scenes in the coronavirus task force
  • 32:22
    between pouchy
  • 32:23
    and Peter Navarro Peter Navarro is the
  • 32:27
    guy who is responsible for really a lot
  • 32:31
    of the coordination of all of the assets
  • 32:35
    and it's what he does he's very good at
  • 32:38
    it
  • 32:39
    historically speaking and apparently
  • 32:43
    Peter Navarro said hey man I'm gonna
  • 32:46
    make sure people get hydroxychloroquine
  • 32:48
    because it's worth the shot what have we
  • 32:51
    got to lose and foul she was pushing
  • 32:54
    back apparently much harder than he
  • 32:56
    usually does
  • 32:58
    on screen - which Navarro said you know
  • 33:01
    screw it we're just doing it we're
  • 33:02
    getting it done that leaked out and this
  • 33:05
    became some international fracas and
  • 33:08
    Peter Navarro defends what happens
  • 33:11
    things to CNN I want to play you
  • 33:13
    something that dr. Anne thief ouchy
  • 33:15
    has said about hydroxychloroquine Lissa
  • 33:17
    sure the data are really just at best
  • 33:20
    suggestive there have been cases that
  • 33:22
    show there may be an effect and there
  • 33:25
    are others to show there's no effect
  • 33:28
    okay so I think in terms of science I
  • 33:30
    don't think we could definitively say
  • 33:32
    all right so why is dr. Anthony pouchy
  • 33:34
    the lead infectious disease doctor in
  • 33:36
    the country wrong about this in your
  • 33:37
    opinion sure I let him speak for himself
  • 33:40
    John but I would have two words for you
  • 33:42
    second opinion and in terms of the
  • 33:45
    studies that exist I think you would
  • 33:47
    grant me that there are numerous studies
  • 33:49
    on this which show preliminary
  • 33:52
    therapeutics - I let you go to four
  • 33:58
    points beginning it's wonderful you're
  • 33:59
    saying a second opinion here what are
  • 34:01
    your qualifications to weigh in on
  • 34:03
    medicines more than dr. Anthony Fauci
  • 34:05
    why can't we listen to you and not dr.
  • 34:07
    pouchy said the a-hole who does this 24
  • 34:10
    hours a day on the eighth hole station
  • 34:12
    that questions it all the time well let
  • 34:14
    me suggest John that later in the day
  • 34:16
    you have William grace on another famous
  • 34:19
    doctor in the city of New York he has he
  • 34:23
    can talk eloquently about this but John
  • 34:27
    there's doctors disagree about things
  • 34:30
    all the time my qualifications in terms
  • 34:32
    of looking at the science is that I'm a
  • 34:35
    social scientist a PhD and I understand
  • 34:39
    how to read statistical studies whether
  • 34:41
    it's in medicine the law economics or
  • 34:44
    I'm sorry that doesn't qualify you to
  • 34:46
    treat me you know it doesn't hang our
  • 34:48
    judge the difference that you are making
  • 34:50
    in the difference that you are taking
  • 34:52
    the additional step you are taking is as
  • 34:53
    a social scientist with no medical
  • 34:56
    training is you were now saying that you
  • 34:58
    think it works well dr. Anthony pouchy
  • 35:02
    who was an infectious disease doctor who
  • 35:04
    has been running the top infectious
  • 35:06
    disease agency for decades says we do
  • 35:08
    know if it works scientific studies that
  • 35:10
    I have seen and point to the possibility
  • 35:13
    that it has both therapeutic efficacy as
  • 35:17
    well as possible prophylactic efficacy
  • 35:20
    and one thing I would ask you to do John
  • 35:21
    is you speak to these doctors and nurses
  • 35:24
    and other people at the front lines ask
  • 35:26
    them how many of them are taking hydroxy
  • 35:30
    as a prophylactic I've heard this
  • 35:33
    anecdotally quite a few were doing this
  • 35:35
    but okay it's the mainstream job to push
  • 35:38
    against whatever these guys doing I want
  • 35:41
    to stop you you're getting into the
  • 35:42
    habit of picking up the lingo of these
  • 35:47
    guys and their bullshit to say I've
  • 35:49
    heard anecdotally I did that on purpose
  • 35:54
    okay well but of course it's redundant
  • 35:58
    to say I heard thank you for the English
  • 36:00
    lessons I heard thank you for the
  • 36:02
    English lesson did you understand what I
  • 36:04
    was saying yeah you've heard apparently
  • 36:08
    a lot of the doctors and nurses are
  • 36:11
    using this stuff yes maybe why they're
  • 36:13
    dancing around so much exactly because
  • 36:15
    they seem pretty happy now the reason
  • 36:20
    that this pushback is coming is the
  • 36:22
    final piece of my presentation more or
  • 36:24
    less is a disagreement between obviously
  • 36:28
    unproven we don't know if it works crazy
  • 36:31
    Trump he's killing people drink and fish
  • 36:33
    cleaner ignore the person who live
  • 36:36
    ignore the actor who lived ignore the
  • 36:39
    the doctors who were taking it as a
  • 36:40
    prophylactic know we want vaccines look
  • 36:44
    or we're waiting for the vaccine money
  • 36:46
    it's the money and it's a little bit
  • 36:48
    beyond the money but I think I can
  • 36:50
    explain this first we need to heat to
  • 36:52
    really get the idea of how how the the
  • 36:59
    medical community is going against this
  • 37:02
    is to listen to Zeke Emanuel Zeke
  • 37:06
    Emanuel was the was a huge part of the
  • 37:10
    Ebola response and the Zika response
  • 37:12
    during the Obama administration worked
  • 37:15
    of course very closely with foul chief
  • 37:17
    out she was the same guy who was there
  • 37:18
    just listen to his
  • 37:21
    on where we're at and how we can get
  • 37:23
    back to work is all that economic pain
  • 37:26
    worth trying to stop covet 19 the truth
  • 37:29
    is we have no choice if we prematurely
  • 37:33
    end that physical distancing and the
  • 37:35
    other measures keeping it at bay deaths
  • 37:37
    could skyrocket into the hundreds of
  • 37:39
    thousands if not a million we cannot
  • 37:42
    return to normal until there's a vaccine
  • 37:45
    conferences concerts sporting events
  • 37:48
    religious services dinner in a
  • 37:50
    restaurant none of that will resume
  • 37:52
    until we find a vaccine a treatment or a
  • 37:54
    cure one thing I've learned is a cancer
  • 37:57
    doctor is that it's wrong to paint an
  • 38:00
    overly rosy picture in order to maintain
  • 38:03
    a patient's hope it's wrong because it
  • 38:06
    fails it's false biology and disease are
  • 38:10
    formidable opponents that inevitably
  • 38:12
    tell us the truth we cannot believe the
  • 38:16
    oppression of this pandemic until we are
  • 38:18
    realistic we need to prepare ourselves
  • 38:21
    for this to last 18 months or so and for
  • 38:24
    the toll that it will take we need to
  • 38:26
    develop a long term solution based on
  • 38:29
    those facts it has to account for what
  • 38:31
    we are losing while this fight goes on
  • 38:33
    things like schooling and income and
  • 38:37
    contact with our friends and extended
  • 38:38
    family Lawrence the crisis is not gonna
  • 38:42
    go away in a few weeks
  • 38:43
    or after the 30 day plan comes to an end
  • 38:46
    although kovat 19 is affecting us in
  • 38:48
    different ways we have to be up to it
  • 38:51
    and fight together very clear 12 to 18
  • 38:55
    months no school no sporting events no
  • 38:57
    fun until we have a vaccine he'll throw
  • 39:00
    in a cure but until we have a vaccine
  • 39:04
    that's what he's been saying that's that
  • 39:06
    yeah that is the worst so this cure this
  • 39:08
    cure that there that the president is
  • 39:10
    promoting to an extreme it probably
  • 39:13
    wouldn't have been promoted by any other
  • 39:15
    president and no no I don't think
  • 39:17
    Hillary or anybody would just let people
  • 39:20
    die hell with it so you've got this
  • 39:21
    cheap by the way the key to this it's a
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    cheap cure that's part of it and so the
  • 39:28
    money is not there for the vaccine
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    people and of course the real smart
  • 39:33
    money vaccine guys will have a
  • 39:34
    vaccine only works for a short time well
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    well most nurse I'd like to take you
  • 39:39
    back to 12 years ago maybe 10 one of the
  • 39:44
    first it was kind of like a pipeline
  • 39:45
    moment for the show there was a JPMorgan
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    Chase
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    investors conference yes you dug up I
  • 39:53
    got me to give you the briefing you dug
  • 39:56
    up which I thought was seminal a report
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    from JPMorgan showing that the vaccine
  • 40:02
    business it was could be huge a huge
  • 40:06
    moneymaker
  • 40:08
    it was the fan I by the way I want to
  • 40:10
    interrupt this line of thought with
  • 40:12
    there learning a lesson during this
  • 40:15
    moment because of this this cheap cure
  • 40:18
    they're learning a lesson that next time
  • 40:20
    they try to pull a stunt they being you
  • 40:24
    know yes yes these folks they should
  • 40:27
    pull a stunt with a with a disease that
  • 40:30
    they already have the vaccinations well
  • 40:33
    into waiting in the wings I have a
  • 40:36
    feeling and I'll get to this that this
  • 40:40
    came too early there obviously
  • 40:43
    in fact when I think about what's
  • 40:45
    happening right now the we kind of joked
  • 40:48
    about it but during the Obama
  • 40:50
    administration this is what we all
  • 40:51
    expected we expected martial law
  • 40:54
    lockdown
  • 40:55
    stay at home slave take your shot we
  • 40:57
    joked about it endlessly and here it is
  • 41:00
    during the Trump administration just for
  • 41:02
    that to be very interesting part of that
  • 41:05
    report from JPMorgan Chase it was a
  • 41:08
    bigger Goldman was there all the big
  • 41:09
    investors is that the future of the
  • 41:13
    pharma industry was in vaccines for a
  • 41:15
    number of reasons one you're giving
  • 41:18
    something to people who aren't sick to
  • 41:20
    start with big win to that this was not
  • 41:24
    explicitly stated about it's my own
  • 41:26
    editorial you do weaken people's immune
  • 41:29
    systems in some cases it's all good for
  • 41:31
    the other you know you want people with
  • 41:33
    weakened immune systems to keep the
  • 41:34
    pharmaceutical industry going we want
  • 41:36
    people that continuously need medication
  • 41:38
    and care the second part of vaccines
  • 41:41
    which is fantastic is a very different
  • 41:45
    FDA process
  • 41:47
    and with that comes indemnification you
  • 41:52
    are held harmless in this country if
  • 41:55
    your vaccine does harm to someone the
  • 41:57
    there is no way to sue a vaccine maker
  • 42:02
    there's ways to get some money there's a
  • 42:04
    fun for it to shut people up so this is
  • 42:07
    fantastic and if you recall during the
  • 42:10
    years that this report came out there
  • 42:12
    were reports of a smoking vaccine you
  • 42:14
    know an anti idiot vaccine and there was
  • 42:17
    a vaccine for everything which has
  • 42:20
    nothing to do with a vaccine in the
  • 42:22
    traditional sense of the word where you
  • 42:24
    have a virus a dead virus and you're
  • 42:26
    injecting people with it in fact the
  • 42:28
    kovat 19 vaccine has nothing to do with
  • 42:31
    that it is an RNA vaccine has never been
  • 42:35
    proven to work it's a gene splicing
  • 42:37
    exercise never been proven to work it
  • 42:41
    says in the documentation this has never
  • 42:43
    worked it may not work but that's what
  • 42:46
    they all have their hopes on and if you
  • 42:49
    look at this type of information how
  • 42:54
    does it get into policy as you said you
  • 42:58
    know no other president would be talking
  • 42:59
    about hydroxychloroquine they'd only be
  • 43:01
    talking about the vaccine most likely
  • 43:03
    why policy is set by research
  • 43:07
    institutions in the United States around
  • 43:09
    the world really our models came from
  • 43:13
    Washington from the University we have
  • 43:20
    the trials being done in universities
  • 43:24
    and policy policy for the United States
  • 43:28
    is set by universities where the
  • 43:30
    smartest people in the world are
  • 43:32
    supposed to be one of those very
  • 43:35
    important is at Harvard
  • 43:37
    now Harvard has plays a big role in this
  • 43:39
    because of their event to a-1 pandemic
  • 43:43
    exercise that ran two months before the
  • 43:46
    real thing happened and the similarities
  • 43:48
    are uncanny was John's Hopkins for 201
  • 43:51
    I'm sorry
  • 43:52
    I'm not mistaken Johns Hopkins yes at
  • 43:55
    Harvard Johns Hopkins is is a key
  • 43:58
    provider and a spook central by the way
  • 44:01
    a key provider of policy the Harvard
  • 44:07
    School of Public Health has
  • 44:10
    traditionally been relied upon by
  • 44:12
    government certainly ours as a place
  • 44:15
    where policy comes from health policy
  • 44:17
    they set policy there the same goes to
  • 44:22
    the media outlets they all get the same
  • 44:25
    news briefing they all get the same and
  • 44:27
    it's it's considered a a trustworthy
  • 44:29
    source and you might think it would be
  • 44:32
    unless you take into consideration how
  • 44:34
    many professors were arrested for
  • 44:37
    underhanded and illegal dealing with
  • 44:39
    China well full professor I believe and