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1163: Cashless MIllennials

Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

3h 18m
August 11th, 2019
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Executive Producers: Sir Mittens of Falls City, Sir Patrick of the Enormous Noggins, Sir GQ, Sir Dave Fugazzotto, Viscount of America's Heartland and Saudi Arabia, Brian Holcomb, Dame Stephanie Mayer, Sir Paul Schneider

Associate Executive Producers: Orange County Meetup, Sir Donald Boroski, Aaron Chamberlin, Sir Marty Phillips, Kymberly Redmond, Keith McColpin, Baronet of East Lake City and the newly arisen Markerwadden of the Lowlands, Sir Rosis of Brookhaven, Georgia., Sonja Brown, James Coon, Earth Anon

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Chapters

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Start of Show
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1:49
Amazing Polly
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3:39
Jeffrey Epstein Commits Suicide in Prison
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16:33
Vicky Ward
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49:35
Trump Tweets 'Conspiracy Theory' About Jeffrey Epstein's Death
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1:00:27
The Truth Factory: 'Jeffrey Epstein Deep Dive - The Mossad, Fraud and His Creepy Temple'
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1:05:37
Producer Note: Cause of Epstein's Egg-Shaped Penis
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1:08:31
Steve Pieczenik: 'OPUS 170 Epstein's Parodoxical Death?'
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1:20:31
Credits
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1:58:32
No Agenda Shout Out on C-Span by Congressional Dish Podcast Host Jennifer Briney
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2:03:05
Child Abuse
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2:07:19
Austin City Councel Meeting on Camping Ordinance and Public Pooping
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2:16:33
Democracy Now!: 'Emergency Doctor to Trump: You Are Wrong, Mental Illness Is Not to Blame for Gun Violence Epidemic'
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2:23:11
2020 Democratic Presidential Candidate Andrew Yang Cries After Question on Gun Control
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2:26:16
Judge Napolitano on the Unconstitutionality of Red Flag Laws
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2:36:14
Research by Payments Canada Shows Millennials Make Purchase Decisions Based on Payment Experience
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2:41:38
Donations
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2:51:11
Birthdays & Title Changes
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2:53:59
Meetups
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2:58:07
NoAgendaMeetups.com Development
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3:02:07
Joe Biden: "Poor Kids Are Just as Bright as White Kids"
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3:04:39
Broadcasting & Cable: 'BIA Sees Local Political Advertising Topping $6.5B'
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3:08:36
China Predicts Joe Biden Will Win 2020 Presidential Election
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3:10:25
End of Show Clips
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3:11:49
North Korea Performs Missile Test
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3:13:18
House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler Says Impeachment Inquiry Started
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3:14:17
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Criticizes Former Chief of Staff for Targeting Fellow Democrats With Divisive Language
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3:14:39
End of Show
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    me
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    yeah well it's a dubious source to say
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    the least
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    well she's not a source she's a
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    deconstructionist she is she's less well
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    if you want to call her that I would
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    call her a um guilt by association
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    specialist
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    oh yeah well she does yarn she does yarn
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    in tax you know colored yarn mirror
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    artist I wouldn't say that okay so this
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    is Sunday August 11th the second
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    Thursday show of the week typically the
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    events that occurred yesterday happened
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    on a show day so it was quite surprising
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    we had a little bit of time to at least
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    think about it this is the apparent
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    suicide of Jeffrey Epstein and the crowd
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    goes wild yeah yeah here's the crowd
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    I was I was downtrodden disheartened
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    when I heard this
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    well considering is in a federal
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    facility and he's got was was on suicide
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    watch which apparently they dropped and
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    he was being monitored by cameras which
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    apparently stopped working and all the
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    rest now it would be somewhat
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    disheartening I don't think anybody was
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    too happy about it bar in particular
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    well a couple of things change as far as
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    I know it was ABC and the New York Post
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    who reported this first and I and I and
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    I'm always I mean I had that because it
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    happened early in the morning and my
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    phone was just because I was getting
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    text messages from people saying I got
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    to see this you got to see what's
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    happening and so that was kind of handy
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    that we could immediately see who was
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    responding first and what they were
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    saying and no doubt that it was the same
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    everywhere I think ABC though was the
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    first and not only did they kind of
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    start off the the messaging but they
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    also changed a couple things now how
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    have we always heard Epstein being
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    described the billionaire financier
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    hedge fund manager then of course all of
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    the alleged alleged assaults so ABC
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    didn't just came out with this and I was
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    like okay wait so sources tell ABC News
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    Jeffrey Epstein does for them to report
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    sources and very came a very fact of the
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    matter
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    everyone had according to sources no
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    name no official statement have we ever
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    really seen the official statement from
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    the Met from the Metro corrections
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    facility I don't know it's a good
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    question because I don't remember I
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    don't recall seeing one either so the
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    message was put out very distinctly went
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    so sources tell ABC News Jeffrey Epstein
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    took his own life the exact timing and
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    circumstances are unclear right now but
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    the mega-millionaire
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    is notice this we've gone from
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    billionaire financier to mega
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    millionaire he's gotten the down
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    it's accused of exploiting and abusing
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    dozens of minor girls he'd been on
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    suicide watch in a New York City Jail
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    you'll remember he was found
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    unresponsive in his cell last month with
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    marks on his neck and literally just to
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    make sure we keep this correct it's not
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    it's not true it's not in New York City
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    Jail it was also not found unresponsive
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    a couple weeks ago he was found
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    complaining of some of his neck being
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    hurt I don't think he was unresponsive
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    yeah this cell last month with marks on
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    his neck initially investigators thought
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    he'd tried to take his own life they
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    were then looking into whether he was
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    assaulted by another inmate or if he'd
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    even paid someone to beat him up
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    Epstein's attorneys had been fighting to
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    get him out on bail but a judge refused
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    prosecutors argued the mega millionaires
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    lifestyle and wealth made him an extreme
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    flight risk again
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    mega millionaire just interesting to see
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    that change another couple of things you
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    should note assaulted by another
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    prisoner yeah
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    this particular jail is not a allows
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    mixing of prisoners and you can find out
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    kind of what this place is like believe
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    it or not by the Yelp reviews how many
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    stars does it get as a star they've got
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    to be paid Yelpers you know advertising
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    boosting it reviews and it describes the
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    places being almost impossible to even
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    see any other prisoners dallona be
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    assaulted by one so this news was so big
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    that they immediately had to get our guy
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    the the constipated reporter Tommy amis
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    get him on the phone yesterday of one of
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    his associates a separate court case but
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    one of the Epstein accusers coming out
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    and naming names of some very prominent
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    businessmen and politicians who have all
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    denied that they did anything
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    inappropriate but they start to name
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    names started to come out in the
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    public and and that this is a little
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    confusing because there's a couple
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    things going on there is a new woman who
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    is speaking out Jennifer
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    arose I think her name is and she's new
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    on the scene at the same time there were
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    actual new documents that were disclosed
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    thousand pages the two thousand yeah and
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    have I thought so that included Bill
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    Richardson names came from who
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    specifically according to Yama's does he
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    say who was naming names cuz every time
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    I've seen the interviews with all these
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    women they don't they'll kind of beat
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    around the bush but they never name
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    names no I didn't know I don't think
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    I've seen it yeah they're all listed
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    there on that document that's one name
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    that's where the names came from but
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    he's saying it came from this new they
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    started to name names started to come
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    out in the public and and one of the
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    associates it was thought of that some
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    of these exiting associates were going
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    to be brought in and possibly charged
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    criminally so the case was only getting
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    bigger so many young girls allegedly
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    abused by Jeffrey Epstein thought they
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    finally were going to see justice they
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    thought they were going to see him rot
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    in a jail cell it's unclear at this
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    point what they're thinking today if
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    this is justice but Jeffrey Epstein the
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    monster that they painted is no more
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    then he had one other short piece of
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    information
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    well the criminal case against Jeffrey
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    Epstein personally obviously is over but
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    if they go after some of his associates
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    you have to remember there are
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    allegations out there that several women
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    work with Jeffrey Epstein to procure
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    some of these young girls essentially
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    Madam's if you will so far notices women
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    have been charged criminally yet but
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    there is thinking that the US attorney
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    may go after some of these people so the
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    criminal case though is not even there
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    yet could continue in that direction
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    there are also civil cases because gotta
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    remember Jeffrey Epstein is worth at
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    least five hundred billion dollars all
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    right so yes apparently this does not
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    necessarily hamper other investigations
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    we don't really know exactly although
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    I've seen some legal opinions that no
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    one can challenge a search warrant now
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    because Epstein is dead
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    I really don't know I think in America
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    you can do a lot with with the legal
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    system and delay a lot of things but I
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    am personally quite interested in just
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    laying Maxwell and no one really seems
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    to there's a lot of saying Madam's
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    handlers pimps maybe you'll hear Maxwell
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    not even the first name of course it's
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    almost impossible for most Americans to
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    pronounce where is she now I think she
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    is a person of a tremendous interest but
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    we'll have to just keep batting
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    back-and-forth for several weeks about
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    Epstein did he hang himself was he
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    killed
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    was it the Clintons you know it doesn't
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    matter you know and I'm happy I think we
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    should probably discuss it a little bit
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    but then we just have to agree this
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    guy's out of the picture and there's not
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    much unless you've been its I personally
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    think he was this was more than an
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    extraction possibly than anything but I
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    think there's a possibility of that I
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    like the extraction idea because as you
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    just mentioned the one aspect to it I
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    didn't consider which is there's the
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    official statement yeah we haven't seen
  • 11:52
    no fish as far as I know no official
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    statement except for Barr who said he
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    was appalled to hear of this and he's
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    gonna do something about it and pretty
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    much immediately this was politicized
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    obviously the Clinton body count had
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    been trending for a while and so this
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    only from his home he helped that meme I
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    liked the opposing politicization let me
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    see if I can find it here where is she
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    yes this is joy Reid our favorite from
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    MSNBC this is somebody who not only is
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    high-profile who not only know a lot of
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    high-profile people whose papers just
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    came out of court just to let out some
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    of the documents related to his cases
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    that named high-profile people who was
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    friends with the current President of
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    the United States who flew a previous
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    president of the
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    States around on his plane who was
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    alleged to have trafficked girls to a
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    royal a member of the royal family of
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    Britain okay this is not a this is this
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    is you know on the same level as a bill
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    closet is a famous person now who's now
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    in person he knows a lot about a lot of
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    people and as you said earlier his only
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    woman out at this point would be to talk
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    about those people so he's in this very
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    vulnerable situation and then you throw
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    in the fact which I did not know until I
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    think I Stephanie Gosk was sitting here
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    and told me this that this is now
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    facility under the control of the
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    Department of Justice and this
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    Department of Justice does not exactly
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    inspire confidence let's just be blunt
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    what William bars Justice Department is
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    not one that you can readily simply rely
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    upon and feel confident in and so what
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    do we make of all this now that in this
  • 13:30
    federal facility this person was allowed
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    to be alone long enough to either harm
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    himself or be killed by something we
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    don't know what happened right we just
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    don't know so the implication if you if
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    you're on Twitter for more than 30
  • 13:41
    seconds you'll see that and it it has an
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    Occam's razor ring to it that because
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    and there is no evidence that Trump flew
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    on planes except one ferry flight back
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    from Miami to New York when it was just
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    him I think and and the pilots I don't
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    think that flight log shows there's
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    about six people in there when that when
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    Trump was on it ya know and were they
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    going from Miami to New York that's what
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    I didn't see where it was going I just
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    saw the somebody one of the Lib Joe's
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    had cut it out he was on the plane
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    there's statements contrary to to him
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    being involved and and by the way can we
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    say children instead of young girls or
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    under or underage girls as a child is a
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    ten year old a fifteen year old is a
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    girl yeah alright good luck so I don't
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    use I wouldn't call fifty rich I like on
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    your own I call a fifteen-year-old a
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    child well but alright fine
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    you call them girls I'll call them
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    children but the Occam's razor aspect of
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    it is oh you know Trump clearly you know
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    because in 2002 he's D even said you
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    know
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    great guy he loves to party with girls
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    on the younger side if you know what I
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    made he disowned yourself from this
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    guy's even know him that's it that
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    doesn't matter because over 1500
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    especially doesn't matter if you listen
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    to and you think that joy read was bad
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    you get that was bad I got a topper
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    oh yeah just finish the thought just
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    finished this crazy thought which is
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    just as valves any other crazy one if
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    you watch that movie is Trump through
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    bar his new who as we know is not the
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    Attorney General of the United States he
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    is the Attorney General for the
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    president we've been told this over and
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    over and over again so I have to believe
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    that now that he put out the secret
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    signal and said I at the time to off
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    Epstein totally plausible and a very
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    simple explanation so I have compassion
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    for people who believe conspiracy
  • 15:52
    theories I don't think this is the right
  • 15:54
    one but I understand where people come
  • 15:56
    from with this that if you know my my
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    favorite one of these off-the-wall kind
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    of Occam's razor good things is Scott
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    Adams you just put this up recently
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    Oh his Occam's razor was this bunch of
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    incompetent boneheads running this
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    prison that got kills himself and that's
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    also a perfectly valid explanation yeah
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    I mean I'm not buying it but yeah all of
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    that well if it wouldn't be the No
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    Agenda show if we were buying any of
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    this no of course not but it's good to
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    look at all aspects before we just
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    decide to move on the guy's not in the
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    picture he's gone so uh in July of this
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    year Amy Goodman interviewed Vicky Ward
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    ah for some unknown reason you've been
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    having him or you've been condemning on
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    Twitter well I'll tell you shortly while
  • 16:47
    I'm sure you will but and if I have four
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    clips of their very mostly short but the
  • 16:53
    beginning clip which doesn't really
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    involve Vicky Ward is the example that I
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    have that tops Reid when we know that
  • 17:01
    Trump hasn't spoken to Epstein for 15
  • 17:04
    years and maybe more in the last
  • 17:06
    reference to him saying anything about
  • 17:08
    Epstein is in 2002
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    but yet Amy really makes us sound like
  • 17:14
    they're best buds here it is Jeffrey
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    Epstein has counted presidents Donald
  • 17:17
    Trump and Bill Clinton among his friends
  • 17:19
    they've flown with him Trump told New
  • 17:22
    York magazine in 2000 to have known Jeff
  • 17:25
    for 15 years terrific guy he's a lot of
  • 17:28
    fun to be with it's even said that he
  • 17:30
    likes beautiful women as much as I do
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    and many of them are on the younger side
  • 17:33
    Trump said about his friend Jeffrey
  • 17:35
    Epstein again this was before all the
  • 17:37
    charges were brought
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    about his friend Jeffrey Epstein as
  • 17:43
    though they're like bosom buddies yeah
  • 17:45
    this this is a classic example of of
  • 17:48
    Amy's bigotry when it comes to reporting
  • 17:52
    on Trump I mean this is unconscionable
  • 17:55
    it's you can call it bad reporting you
  • 17:58
    can call it sorry hmm you can call it
  • 18:03
    bad reporting you can call it lying you
  • 18:05
    can call it framing you can call
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    anything but objective reporting yeah
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    there was it just to me is why Amy
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    Goodman is not really and it should not
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    even be considered a journalist anyone
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    okay so why don't you expand I have let
  • 18:23
    me tell you about Vicki ward then I got
  • 18:26
    turned on to the Vicki I heard Vicki
  • 18:28
    Ward as she started to pop up on someone
  • 18:32
    yeah I'm always watching MSNBC and stuff
  • 18:34
    during the day but she was popping up on
  • 18:35
    CNN in fact she got hired by CNN just a
  • 18:38
    few weeks ago and then I started to find
  • 18:41
    interviews of her talking about how she
  • 18:43
    wrote the initial expose in 2002 or 2003
  • 18:47
    for Vanity Fair I believe was Vanity
  • 18:50
    Fair and she went to her editor and her
  • 18:54
    editor said no you got to take all this
  • 18:55
    underage girl shit out this is no good
  • 18:57
    it's just hearsay this is her story so
  • 19:01
    it became much more of a profile a
  • 19:02
    financial profile of of Epstein and now
  • 19:07
    she's saying well I warned you all about
  • 19:09
    it and I think there's a couple things
  • 19:11
    she wrote in 2008-2009 when that when
  • 19:14
    the really light sentence came down on
  • 19:17
    Epstein and as I'm searching around and
  • 19:20
    this is probably the same time I found
  • 19:22
    amazing Polly I see her as like an it
  • 19:26
    girl in in New York
  • 19:29
    high society type parties and she's
  • 19:32
    always hanging out with Jill just Lane
  • 19:34
    Maxwell even though she's very
  • 19:36
    condemning of Maxwell of Islay Maxwell
  • 19:39
    and all these interviews that she's been
  • 19:40
    doing you know since 2009 and since she
  • 19:44
    had written about Epstein and everything
  • 19:47
    that happened I'm like well what is she
  • 19:49
    doing Palin around is this kind of weird
  • 19:52
    so when she tweeted yesterday oh don't
  • 19:55
    worry miss lane Maxwell knows more like
  • 19:57
    what up girl
  • 19:59
    do you know her you're partying with her
  • 20:01
    you're pretending that your buddies were
  • 20:03
    there so you tell me what's going on of
  • 20:05
    course she doesn't answer her cuz I'm
  • 20:06
    just a crackpot blowing in the wind and
  • 20:09
    I think that's where I saw more the
  • 20:12
    background got some background from from
  • 20:16
    the Polly videos and I find her to be a
  • 20:18
    very interesting character she doesn't
  • 20:20
    seem to have any real background yet
  • 20:22
    she's written books about Wall Street
  • 20:23
    fraud and all kinds of interesting
  • 20:26
    topics and her I guess is her ex-husband
  • 20:32
    his I think his boss her ex-husband's
  • 20:38
    boss was Maxwell's nephew or something
  • 20:42
    because that's it's like if there's a
  • 20:43
    connection there there's always know
  • 20:47
    they always have a connection from one
  • 20:49
    to the next and you know and so that's
  • 20:50
    why I kind of leave it to the youtubers
  • 20:52
    to do all that but Vicky Ward is a
  • 20:54
    person of interest to me and I hope you
  • 20:56
    have some interesting things well first
  • 20:59
    of all I I saw what you were doing and
  • 21:02
    so I did my I immediately went to work I
  • 21:06
    could inspire you suckers you fell into
  • 21:13
    my trap looking for Vicky Ward it's
  • 21:17
    quite possible that actually did happen
  • 21:19
    all right
  • 21:20
    Vicky Ward is a very transparent
  • 21:22
    character she goes back into the 90s and
  • 21:25
    she's always been a very extremely
  • 21:29
    accomplished writer and something of a
  • 21:31
    workaholic and so she's great but she
  • 21:33
    doesn't crank out enough so many books
  • 21:35
    and enough books with enough inside
  • 21:37
    scoop to make me think that in any way
  • 21:40
    she's mi6 which is what the amazing
  • 21:43
    Polly implies which is bullshit there's
  • 21:45
    no way I went back and listened to her
  • 21:48
    and she's been on TV a lot I'll give you
  • 21:51
    her whole story she started she grew
  • 21:53
    graduates from Cambridge and she was
  • 21:54
    what wanted to become a journalist she
  • 21:56
    became a newspaper writer in London for
  • 21:59
    that
  • 21:59
    I think the daily standard the telegraph
  • 22:01
    there's she bounced around became an
  • 22:03
    editor for a while she's very good at
  • 22:05
    what she did and she
  • 22:07
    this guy first and she writes a very
  • 22:11
    long essay on her divorce that ran in
  • 22:15
    2011 she marries this guy who she
  • 22:19
    probably shouldn't have married and they
  • 22:20
    never got along and they were pretty
  • 22:22
    much separated by by 2011 when they
  • 22:25
    finally got divorced and he's the one
  • 22:28
    who drugged her out of England because
  • 22:30
    he's a nephew of Conrad black and I'll
  • 22:33
    black that's why it's not Maxwell black
  • 22:34
    yes I'm sorry no yes
  • 22:37
    Conrad black he said come on kid you
  • 22:39
    joined my operation out here I'm in
  • 22:41
    Canada in the United States just movies
  • 22:43
    they made him had him moved to New York
  • 22:45
    she didn't want to do it she moved to
  • 22:46
    New York but because of her and she's
  • 22:49
    met if she's anything if you want to say
  • 22:51
    she's something odd she might be a
  • 22:53
    lizard can I just can I just interject
  • 22:55
    one crazy yarn connecting conspiracy
  • 22:59
    data point sure Conrad black about a
  • 23:03
    month ago maybe six weeks ago was
  • 23:06
    pardoned by President Trump right that
  • 23:11
    was interesting was that was interesting
  • 23:14
    railroaded anyway it's just the timing
  • 23:19
    of it is always fun well her
  • 23:21
    relationship to Conrad black was dubious
  • 23:23
    because she never worked for any of his
  • 23:24
    magazines that I know of she may know he
  • 23:27
    may work for the post for a while and
  • 23:29
    then she quit but she comes over here
  • 23:32
    and she kind of because she's got a
  • 23:34
    British she's British and she kept her
  • 23:37
    accent she never even tried to get rid
  • 23:39
    of it she became one of the one of the
  • 23:42
    many British women over here that or
  • 23:45
    that fit right into the upper classes a
  • 23:48
    structure check she wrote a whole book
  • 23:50
    on the Astor's or at least a long
  • 23:53
    article and she fit right in she has the
  • 23:57
    look she has the perfect kind of a dead
  • 24:00
    socialite look she's also she up until
  • 24:04
    recently she had a nonprofit that worked
  • 24:06
    with the United Nations and she's an all
  • 24:09
    kinds of just like Angelina Jolie
  • 24:11
    special United Nations programs and
  • 24:13
    there's the woman who's the direct
  • 24:16
    descendent of Queen Victoria who's on
  • 24:18
    her board and she's really
  • 24:19
    the British society but it's not the
  • 24:22
    British society it's the American
  • 24:24
    American producer side yes our social
  • 24:28
    thing and the British are so welcome
  • 24:29
    because they fit right in and even
  • 24:31
    though if in Britain she was a newspaper
  • 24:33
    girl yeah she did a bunch of books and
  • 24:37
    they're all the books tend to be
  • 24:38
    celebrity she really if anything is a
  • 24:41
    celebrity reporter she roamed in and out
  • 24:44
    of various kinds of you know celebrities
  • 24:47
    circles and met a lot of people and she
  • 24:50
    would run into jillaine it's just Lane
  • 24:52
    Maxwell numerous times but she wasn't
  • 24:54
    hanging out with her there's no evidence
  • 24:56
    of that and there's some mi6 connection
  • 25:00
    that happened in 2011 according to
  • 25:02
    amazing Polly but she was long not even
  • 25:05
    associating with her husband by that
  • 25:06
    time very well described in her
  • 25:09
    discussion in the in the madman the
  • 25:13
    magazine article that she wrote for the
  • 25:15
    Daily Mail about her divorce so what
  • 25:18
    happens is this Jeffrey Epstein thing
  • 25:20
    breaks and she did have a couple of
  • 25:23
    pieces of about the girls in that
  • 25:25
    article all of a sudden out of the blue
  • 25:28
    now the question in my mind is is she is
  • 25:30
    so out of the blue she says well I
  • 25:32
    warned everybody she's something of a
  • 25:34
    phony she's she's a she's kind of like a
  • 25:36
    kitty Kelly type of writer who maybe
  • 25:41
    makes things up now and again very
  • 25:43
    well-structured writer if she wanted to
  • 25:46
    really bring out anything in 2003 when
  • 25:49
    she ran that article she could have
  • 25:50
    chopped it someplace off the else if she
  • 25:53
    wanted to she could under Ronan Farrow
  • 25:55
    didn't put up with no for an answer
  • 25:57
    over and over again mhm so she wasn't
  • 26:00
    that serious about these two she had
  • 26:02
    some information if it radiance if it
  • 26:05
    was even true at all
  • 26:07
    maybe not just her word saying that they
  • 26:09
    cut it out it's possible but Graydon
  • 26:12
    Carter did come out with a statement
  • 26:13
    okay he says that did it wasn't a well
  • 26:17
    presented and he just thought it should
  • 26:19
    be cut out so he did cut it out so this
  • 26:20
    is not she didn't make that up
  • 26:21
    necessarily but the circumstances of him
  • 26:25
    cutting it out may have been due
  • 26:27
    according to her when I have some clips
  • 26:28
    or her bitching about it only now
  • 26:31
    bitching about it I think the following
  • 26:33
    happened personally from looking at her
  • 26:36
    career and what kind of a writer she
  • 26:37
    isn't who she hangs out with and her
  • 26:39
    celebrity status and a certain in that
  • 26:42
    social structure that we had know
  • 26:44
    nothing of we have no idea those things
  • 26:46
    show up in town in country the people
  • 26:48
    that are these parties those photos are
  • 26:50
    all over the place it's like the Palm
  • 26:53
    Beach Florida social set I don't know
  • 26:55
    who any of those people are but they all
  • 26:57
    seem to know each other if I believe the
  • 27:01
    following happened with her no matter
  • 27:03
    what everybody says she wrote this piece
  • 27:06
    on on Epstein and she gets some stuff
  • 27:09
    she has some hints about the 2002 piece
  • 27:12
    in 2000 she wrote it 2000 in 2003 that
  • 27:17
    was cut out was turned into a financial
  • 27:19
    piece which she admits and it would seem
  • 27:22
    to be written that way to begin with
  • 27:24
    all of a sudden this thing breaks the
  • 27:27
    epstein stuff and and she says and
  • 27:29
    people have to say look you did a whole
  • 27:32
    piece on this guy you know there's just
  • 27:36
    Lane maxwell there's photos of her with
  • 27:38
    you
  • 27:39
    what did you what what what and so she's
  • 27:42
    covering her ass yes just by saying oh
  • 27:45
    yeah well I had this and I did it she
  • 27:47
    was clueless she's a celebrity reporter
  • 27:50
    she didn't know that Epstein was running
  • 27:52
    anything but hold on when I so all I'm
  • 27:55
    saying is why would she ten to nine
  • 28:00
    years after the fact even wanna be okay
  • 28:04
    so there's no evidence they were
  • 28:05
    partying but they were at the same
  • 28:07
    parties and taking pictures together I
  • 28:08
    know how it works the photographer comes
  • 28:10
    by said hey take a picture cuz you're
  • 28:11
    talking and then y'all snow two or three
  • 28:13
    people you stay understand but why why
  • 28:16
    if if she knows all this and and
  • 28:19
    have a clip from yesterday she sure does
  • 28:22
    she sure did then in 2011 2014 there's
  • 28:26
    pictures of her with Maxwell of course
  • 28:28
    she knew that then she writes about it
  • 28:31
    she writes about everything after the
  • 28:33
    fact the issue here is what happened in
  • 28:37
    2003 where she where she got her piece
  • 28:41
    was like no in 2009 she definitely knew
  • 28:48
    that Maxwell was involved because that's
  • 28:51
    in the document she you know all of the
  • 28:53
    accomplices were protected by the deal
  • 28:56
    that was signed she knew it in 2009 like
  • 28:59
    everybody else that's my point yet
  • 29:02
    11 2011 2014 she's taken pictures with
  • 29:05
    it that's my point
  • 29:07
    she knew it in 2009 we knew it in 2009
  • 29:11
    it was it's been in the press since 2009
  • 29:13
    well okay we knew in 2009 she knew in
  • 29:16
    2008 so what was I got to do with her
  • 29:17
    being a bad actor or mi6 I didn't say
  • 29:20
    that but no that's what your your buddy
  • 29:23
    famous Polly said but I didn't say that
  • 29:26
    I'm Tom I'm just going for simple stuff
  • 29:30
    let's go to amazing Polly
  • 29:32
    to talk about what led up to Epstein's
  • 29:35
    most recent arrest stay with that Amy
  • 29:41
    interviews Ward 2 to talk about what led
  • 29:44
    up to Epstein's most recent arrest and
  • 29:47
    what comes next we're joined by vicki
  • 29:48
    war an investigative journalist who
  • 29:50
    profiled Jeffrey Epstein for Vanity Fair
  • 29:51
    in 2003 and a piece headlined the
  • 29:54
    talented mr. Epstein the magazine's
  • 29:56
    editor at the time Graydon Carter cut
  • 29:58
    out the testimonies of two young women
  • 30:00
    Epstein allegedly molested who'd spoken
  • 30:03
    to ward on the record one of them
  • 30:05
    underage ward wrote about what happened
  • 30:08
    with her
  • 30:09
    Epstein reporting for The Daily Beast in
  • 30:11
    an article headlined I tried to warn you
  • 30:13
    about sleazy billionaire Jeffrey Epstein
  • 30:15
    in 2003 welcome back to Democracy Now
  • 30:17
    it's great to have you with us Vicki so
  • 30:19
    for people who do not understand who
  • 30:21
    this man is he's referred to as
  • 30:23
    billionaire hedge fund manager Jeffrey
  • 30:26
    Epstein who is he and what do you
  • 30:28
    believe he is being charged with right
  • 30:31
    now the
  • 30:31
    indictment is about to be opened so I
  • 30:36
    don't think he's a hedge fund manager he
  • 30:39
    is a certainly very wealthy
  • 30:43
    there is great mystery as to how he
  • 30:47
    actually made his money he tells people
  • 30:50
    that he advises he takes a percentage
  • 30:54
    and he advises billionaires only I won't
  • 30:58
    take anyone poorer than a billionaire
  • 31:00
    and he takes a cut which adds up to a
  • 31:03
    lot of money this this when I
  • 31:05
    investigated him in 2002 really turned
  • 31:09
    out to be untrue what was interesting
  • 31:12
    was that the man who claimed to have
  • 31:16
    sort of taught Geoffrey many financial
  • 31:20
    tricks and who claims to this day that
  • 31:23
    Geoffrey has his money as a gentleman by
  • 31:25
    the name of Steve Hoffenberg who went to
  • 31:27
    jail for 20 years for committing the
  • 31:32
    biggest Ponzi scheme pre Bernie Madoff
  • 31:36
    okay I never know about that so she had
  • 31:39
    that uncovered which doesn't surprise me
  • 31:42
    you guys got in except you Vikki Ward
  • 31:44
    you were doing the first pieces back in
  • 31:47
    2000 I were your twin daughters right
  • 31:49
    now twin sons 16 16 years old so that is
  • 31:53
    very significant because you were
  • 31:56
    pregnant at the time you were doing this
  • 31:57
    piece can you describe what happened to
  • 32:02
    you when you wrote the speech you spoke
  • 32:05
    to Jeffrey Epstein though multiple times
  • 32:07
    multiple times he wheeled out you know
  • 32:10
    all these important bankers and
  • 32:12
    academics and finances to talk to me and
  • 32:15
    he would call me all the time but he
  • 32:18
    would threaten me he would talk and then
  • 32:21
    he would say you know Vic if I don't
  • 32:22
    like this piece you know something's
  • 32:27
    gonna happen to your unborn children you
  • 32:31
    know and it way he would sort of say in
  • 32:33
    is it you know lightly but you know I I
  • 32:37
    went to the magazines general councilor
  • 32:39
    that you actually put security on them
  • 32:41
    in the NICU and when
  • 32:42
    came early he had asked me what hospital
  • 32:45
    they were going to be born at so I
  • 32:47
    actually did put security on them they
  • 32:49
    were born two months prematurely
  • 32:53
    well that was kind of creepy yes and so
  • 32:56
    then we go to the last part where she
  • 32:58
    discusses the Graydon Carter incident
  • 33:02
    closable he had his girlfriend Glenn
  • 33:06
    Maxwell who very charming well-educated
  • 33:08
    British sort of socialite around Neal's
  • 33:11
    very significant she's the daughter of
  • 33:13
    Robert one of the new news
  • 33:16
    Galen was the one who phoned this these
  • 33:19
    young woman's mother to reassure her how
  • 33:21
    safe they would be and because of course
  • 33:25
    the poor mother
  • 33:26
    now blames herself terribly for what
  • 33:30
    happened and you know I talked to there
  • 33:34
    are numerous people the artist Eric
  • 33:36
    Fischl was a friend of the older
  • 33:39
    daughters couple of things you wanna
  • 33:43
    back up yes we're seeing the timeline by
  • 33:46
    the way she's the timeline of two girls
  • 33:48
    who ever seen was was assault they were
  • 33:51
    younger that wanted to go to college and
  • 33:53
    he was gonna pay for their college and
  • 33:56
    just Lane he but he hit they had to move
  • 34:00
    in and do stuff to him
  • 34:02
    yeah and Jazz Lane was the salesperson
  • 34:05
    who talked the moms into lettin isn't
  • 34:07
    right but when when did that happen when
  • 34:09
    did she know about it that's all I'm
  • 34:10
    curious about is that this is right from
  • 34:13
    2003 era okay yeah okay so she so this
  • 34:16
    was so she knew back then supposedly she
  • 34:19
    has a tell I think uh-huh she there's
  • 34:22
    some stuff I think she's she's in the
  • 34:24
    same category again as Kitty Kelly and
  • 34:26
    some of these other Michael Wolfe is in
  • 34:28
    this category very famous kind of
  • 34:31
    celebrity writers who do makes known to
  • 34:36
    make stuff up Michael Wolfe has got all
  • 34:37
    these Trump books a lot of this stuff is
  • 34:39
    bullshit if not all of it that Vicki's
  • 34:44
    in the same category of writer and I
  • 34:48
    think her tell is the use of the word
  • 34:50
    and twice in a row instead of saying and
  • 34:52
    she says and and interesting I think you
  • 34:56
    were three times in the piece friend
  • 34:59
    Glenn Maxwell who very charming
  • 35:02
    well-educated British sort of socialite
  • 35:04
    around noon
  • 35:05
    significant she's the daughter of Robert
  • 35:07
    that's one of the news news
  • 35:10
    Galen was the one who phoned this these
  • 35:12
    young woman's mother to reassure her how
  • 35:15
    safe they would be and because of course
  • 35:18
    the poor mother
  • 35:20
    now blames herself terribly for what
  • 35:24
    happened and you know I talked through
  • 35:28
    there were numerous people the artist
  • 35:29
    Eric Fischl was a friend of the older
  • 35:32
    daughters they all verified they
  • 35:35
    remembered them tell that these two
  • 35:38
    women recounting their trauma at the
  • 35:39
    time so brave we all go through this and
  • 35:43
    then to suddenly find at the eleventh
  • 35:45
    hour that somehow Geoffrey got to the
  • 35:50
    editor of the magazine this story was
  • 35:52
    being pulled I wait a second he came in
  • 35:54
    to country now he he came in I had had
  • 35:58
    no I was not told about this he came in
  • 36:00
    he had a private meeting with the
  • 36:02
    magazine's then editor Graydon Carter
  • 36:04
    after which I was informed that Graydon
  • 36:09
    believed Jeffrey Epstein I was told that
  • 36:11
    Jeffrey Epstein had told Braden that he
  • 36:14
    was quote unquote
  • 36:15
    sensitive about the women and so they
  • 36:18
    would be pulled from the story so now be
  • 36:20
    a business story and what a business
  • 36:25
    that was a business story that explained
  • 36:27
    that Jeffrey Epstein was not who he
  • 36:30
    claimed to be in his professional life
  • 36:31
    but but but the the very powerful awful
  • 36:36
    stories of what happened to these women
  • 36:38
    got taken out with you and and I am
  • 36:41
    these girls yeah right are they involved
  • 36:44
    the the tell is after she lies that's
  • 36:48
    the way I'm reading it what she I can't
  • 36:50
    say I'm sure one way or the other I mean
  • 36:52
    there's some truth in whatever she's
  • 36:54
    talking about I think she's maybe you
  • 36:56
    know for example the grain Carter story
  • 37:00
    itself which may be where the aunt Anne
  • 37:02
    comes from afterwards yeah that's that's
  • 37:04
    kind of that I thought that's kind of
  • 37:06
    kind of how I'm very dubious and into
  • 37:08
    her part it Carter is considered one of
  • 37:11
    the greatest editors in the history of
  • 37:13
    magazine oh well that's suspicious right
  • 37:15
    there then
  • 37:22
    there's some reports that the story
  • 37:24
    she's telling is not actually accurate
  • 37:26
    and Epstein didn't show up to talk to
  • 37:29
    Carter he showed up with it with a bunch
  • 37:31
    of high-powered lawyers yeah telling him
  • 37:35
    look you can run this if you want but
  • 37:37
    you're gonna be sued out of existence as
  • 37:39
    a magazine and I don't think your boss
  • 37:40
    is at vanity at Conde Nast are gonna be
  • 37:44
    too appreciative of the kind of troubles
  • 37:46
    you're gonna cause if you run this piece
  • 37:48
    and so much for being one hip so much
  • 37:51
    for being one of the best editors what
  • 37:52
    kind of pussy editor is that guy who's
  • 37:55
    smart let's listen to her tell again but
  • 37:59
    but very powerful awful stories of what
  • 38:03
    happened to these women got taken out
  • 38:06
    with and and I and these girls yeah I
  • 38:09
    are they involved with the case that's
  • 38:12
    being open today where he's being
  • 38:14
    brought into a Manhattan Court I don't
  • 38:16
    know I have heard it I have not
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    confirmed that I have one sources told
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    me that possibly they are which obvious
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    which for me would be sixteen years
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    later sixteen years later because one of
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    the things that has haunted me is that
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    there I was trying to expose this man in
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    2003 and the original the furthest FBI
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    investigation the one that got muted by
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    Alexander Acosta didn't begin until 2006
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    so it's always been on my conscience
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    that for three years he molested
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    hundreds of sort of helpless poor women
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    who were in no position to fight back
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    against him I just want to go back to
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    because you made a pretty interesting
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    statement the Graydon Carter is one of
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    the great all-time magazine editors I'm
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    paraphrasing but that's how it came
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    across should this guy and I be hanging
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    his head in shame for rejecting one of
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    the biggest stories of our lifetime with
  • 39:25
    his comment no not necessarily because
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    rosy don't like that unless it's
  • 39:29
    rock-solid
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    well I'd never saw the original so I
  • 39:34
    don't know well he didn't she wrote it
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    and I wonder if it was rock solid his
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    claim is simple the story was not rock
  • 39:43
    solid and when you're an editor at that
  • 39:46
    level of the magazine that this which is
  • 39:48
    a high paying magazine I mean this is
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    not this is the big leagues is the major
  • 39:53
    leagues everything has to be pretty much
  • 39:56
    batten the hatches have to be batten
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    down you can't put anything out there
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    that's gonna so concentrated did a me
  • 40:03
    try to move this towards someone else
  • 40:06
    did she try to pin it on Trump who while
  • 40:08
    she was having this conversation
  • 40:10
    yeah it's Trump was actually the editor
  • 40:15
    I want to make sure it's democracy now
  • 40:17
    we're listening to enough ayk program
  • 40:21
    alright so is that the end of that clip
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    yes I have and and I have a current clip
  • 40:30
    from Vicki Ward who's now a
  • 40:31
    correspondent from July of this year
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    right but I have one from like this
  • 40:37
    morning and and now what has led to
  • 40:40
    these charges of sex trafficking you
  • 40:44
    know of of teenagers this is part of
  • 40:46
    that big network it is part of the big
  • 40:50
    network and I think you know fredericka
  • 40:52
    that what so what had so many people
  • 40:56
    interested and on the edge of their
  • 40:58
    seats about this what would have been
  • 41:01
    Jeffrey Epstein's trial but then still
  • 41:03
    really matters is the trial if you like
  • 41:07
    of the ecosystem because don't forget
  • 41:09
    the original indictment talked about a
  • 41:11
    conspiracy there have been many other
  • 41:15
    important powerful names brought up in
  • 41:18
    connection with this case former
  • 41:20
    President Bill Clinton the lawyer Alan
  • 41:22
    Dershowitz the financier Leon black less
  • 41:25
    waxing them that the retailer last week
  • 41:29
    saying you know I gave jet Jeffrey
  • 41:31
    Epstein power of attorney but I
  • 41:33
    discovered in 2007 he stole millions and
  • 41:36
    millions from from me but in wit but it
  • 41:39
    begs the question then why did Leslie
  • 41:41
    Wexner not go to the authorities there
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