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1152: Veergayin

Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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July 4th, 2019
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Executive Producers: Sir Heerco Groenewegen, Wesley Young, Sir Andrew of the Hickory Flat, protector of Small Horses, Mark Malin, Sir Vincent, Grilling Man of Greenbrier Woods Baron of the Alabama Gulf Coast to the Florida panhandle.

Associate Executive Producers: Steve, Keith Gibson

Cover Art by Mike Reiley

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Start of Show
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Nike Pulls Shoes Featuring American Betsy Ross Flag After Complaints From Colin Kaepernick
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Gab Relaunches Social Media Platform as Mastodon Node
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36:03
EU Leaders Reach Agreement on New Leadership Positions
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40:54
Brexit Party's Member of the European Parliament Ann Widdecombe's Maiden Speech
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Electric Cars in the European Union Are Now Required to Make a Fake Engine Sound
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Christine Lagarde
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Brexit Party's Members of the European Parliament Turn Their Back During the European Anthem
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48:52
The Netherlands and United States Reach FIFA Women's World Cup Finale
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US Democratic Presidential Candidate Kamala Harris Walks Back Promise of Healthcare for Undocumented Immigrants
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Weaponized Ignorance
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Donald Trump Jr. Shares Tweet Questioning Kamala Harris’ Race
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Untitled
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Credits
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1:29:55
AC's Wedding Video & Pictures
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JCD's Upcoming Radio Plays
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1:37:22
Need To Impeach: 'Mueller Report Auditions'
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1:41:41
Judicial Watch: 'New Clinton Email Scandal Testimony!'
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1:46:50
PBS NewsHour: 'New York City Students Are Fighting For School Integration'
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1:55:40
Trump Admits US Shot Down Drone in Iran During Tucker Carlson Interview
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4th of July Military Parade
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US Representative Frederica Wilson Wants to 'Shut Down' Citizens Who Mock Congress
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Donations
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Birthdays, Meetups & Title Changes
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CBS This Morning: 'Drawings by Children Who Were Held in Border Facilities Show Them in Cages'
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2:44:21
CNN: 'Fareed: Immigration Middle Ground Must Be Found'
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2:53:29
FBI Preventing 4th of July ISIS Attacks in 2015
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The Impossible Burger
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End of Show
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    oh yeah right on bobaloo adam curry
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    johnson media assassination episode 1152
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    this is no agenda got flags on my feet
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    I'm John Siever
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    [Music]
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    you better not be you better not be
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    wearing them you racist yes racist happy
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    Independence Day John everybody out
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    there may be safe yes and our works
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    legal areas where it always always get
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    their fingers blown off and thank you to
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    all of the human resources of the United
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    States who are keeping our country
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    running today because not everything
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    closes I'm talking about my beautiful
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    wife the keeper working today at the
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    Ronald McDonald House yeah someone's if
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    you can't just close the facility kick
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    the kids out I've suggested this very
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    thing but that didn't go over too well
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    is not yeah yeah well where to start do
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    you want to dive right into Nike or do
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    you want to research myself we both oh
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    my goodness we did some research well
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    this should be fun well let's start with
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    the bullshit story from CBS is Nike ESU
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    bullshit story Nike was set to sell a
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    new sneaker that featured a 13 star
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    American flag just in time for the 4th
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    of July but the company suddenly pulled
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    them out of stores if Nike was trying to
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    avoid a controversy though it did not
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    work here's Meg Oliver Nike set off a
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    firestorm after pulling their shoes
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    emblazoned with the Betsy Ross flag an
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    early version of the American flag with
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    13 stars and stripes
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    used in the 1700s before slavery
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    was abolished when you look at that
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    early version of the American flag what
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    does it symbolize well I see I see 13 I
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    see the colonies and that leads directly
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    to slavery in some cases the Betsy Ross
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    flag has been co-opted by white
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    supremacist groups like the KKK
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    conservatives lashed out against Nike
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    Republican senator Ted Cruz of Texas
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    wrote it's a good thing Nike only wants
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    to sell sneakers to people who hate the
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    American flag
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    Arizona's Republican governor Doug Ducey
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    withdrew all financial incentives the
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    state promised Nike to invest in a one
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    hundred eighty five million dollar
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    factory in Arizona and former Republican
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    presidential candidate Herman Cain
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    tweeted nothing can happen in America
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    anymore if Colin Kaepernick doesn't like
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    it believe in something even if it means
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    sacrificing everything for NFL star
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    Colin Kaepernick is the face of Nikes
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    just do a campaign he reportedly
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    complained and I heed the flag is an
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    offensive symbol of slavery this is a
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    great teaching moment and it brings us
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    in contact with a history that most of
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    us that most Americans do not want to
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    deal with in a statement Nike doesn't
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    mention Kaepernick but says they made
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    the decision to halt distribution based
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    on concerns that it could
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    unintentionally offend and detract from
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    the nation's patriotic holiday thank you
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    for bringing us both sides oh that's
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    interesting
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    that's interesting so I saw that cause
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    it might come in handy thanks for both
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    sides at the end he said that yeah hold
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    on thank you for bringing us both sides
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    oh wait there's something I don't
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    understand did she just say that when
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    Nike released the news they didn't
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    mention Kaepernick yeah want to deal
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    with in a statement Nike doesn't mention
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    Kaepernick but says they made the
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    decision to halt distribution based on
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    concerns that it could unintentionally
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    offend and detract from the nation's
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    patriotic now didn't they at some point
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    have to say the Kaepernick was called
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    them and ever did
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    before we got to the cam predicting
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    which I think I think we're gonna both
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    conclude the exact same thing when this
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    is over maybe maybe not maybe not but I
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    have my conclusions I'm gonna draw but I
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    do want to mention something where he
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    says that he makes a point at the end of
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    saying thank you for bringing us both
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    sides
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    yeah what's both you're supposed to do
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    anyway what was your and I'm thinking
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    both sides which includes the comment
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    that Republican groups like the KKK an
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    operation that's not even in business
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    and it's also not a Republican groups
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    not a Republican conservative know that
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    they've ever used the Betsy Ross flag as
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    anything no but okay that's both sides
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    yes oh yeah you got this is a great job
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    of giving us a balanced report there's a
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    business side to this a business report
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    which is which I'd like to play from Fox
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    Business where they asked a couple of
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    astute questions how did this pass
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    through the cracks of the full chain of
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    command at Nike where it goes into
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    production these sneakers get made and
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    it takes a colin kaepernick to say hey
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    this isn't cool right what does that say
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    about the organization they're supposed
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    to be leaders I see them here as
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    followers they say just do it I think
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    they should change their slogan - should
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    we do it should we do it right it's
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    interesting because there was there was
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    really no reaction until Kaepernick got
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    involved and then after that I think the
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    stock probably went down today after the
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    governor of Arizona Governor Ducey got
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    involved and said we're not gonna want
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    to take away some of the incentives for
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    Nike to do business in our state so
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    that's why this might be different than
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    the last time yeah for every action
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    there's an equal and opposite reaction
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    Colin said what he said
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    Nike responded that was their reaction
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    now we see the reaction with the Arizona
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    governor and what comes after this again
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    it comes down to business but people
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    don't like to be pushed around and until
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    Colin Kaepernick gets out front and
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    center and really becomes a communicator
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    and starts to explain all the things
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    that are important to him
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    right because then I wonder well okay
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    this flag is no good how about today's
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    flag how about the Philadelphia 76ers
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    logo with 13 stars on it you've given us
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    a poll ideas now I don't know you got to
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    take the Betsy Ross bridge to get there
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    and Jersey it's
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    let's go okay do you wanna you want to
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    tell me about your conclusion well this
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    is a publicity stunt to sell these shoes
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    which will be back on the market
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    the giveaway was if it hasn't been given
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    away by now that this this bullcrap with
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    the Arizona governor telling Nike to go
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    pound sand has been rebuked he's back on
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    board with Nike they're gonna put the
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    plan in anyway this is less look not
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    report it as much but that's yesterday
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    morning it came out the whole thing and
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    because the shoes already made they're
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    very attractive shoes there if you like
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    Nike shoes these are really beautiful
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    and Kapernick whether he said anything
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    or not who's not even the major player
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    with and I came but this whole thing is
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    designed to create a fuss to sell more
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    shoes this is a scam from the get-go
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    that was my initial reaction until I had
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    a chat with the producer Moe who
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    actually called me breathless about you
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    gotta explain what I think is going on
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    here and I came up with something
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    different which is I you know I think
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    the native add part is where the No
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    Agenda thinking goes initially I'm not
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    quite sure how they would bring this
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    back I don't think it was an it first of
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    all I don't think it was a native about
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    promotion promotion for okay a promotion
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    busted for that a promotion it's a
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    promotion now I'm gonna go in territory
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    where I don't belong because I am NOT
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    the sports guy of the no agenda show but
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    let's look at Colin Kaepernick's
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    history now when he burst onto the scene
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    he was they and again this is a lot of
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    information I got from from Moe and Moe
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    has standing he knows about sports and
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    he's black so he can talk about some of
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    these issues he said look Adam no one
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    was even talking about him being a black
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    quarterback it was Colin Kaepernick he
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    had the low-cut
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    err he was in GQ magazine he was the
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    hottie he was the he was the next best
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    thing and and when he got injured the
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    you know he couldn't gain the weight
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    back and he just couldn't get back on
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    the team and to review the genesis of
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    his social justice kneeling this wasn't
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    he didn't start off by kneeling during
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    the national anthem at all
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    he started off actually he was sitting
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    on the bench he had been sitting on the
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    bench during the anthem for months
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    before one photographer noticed it and
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    she made a deal big deal out of said hey
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    hold on a second how come you're not
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    standing during the national anthem
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    you're sitting on the bench where's what
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    what one could say is he was basically
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    just being malcontent is the word like I
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    fucking I'm not getting started I'm no
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    good I'm just sitting here on the bench
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    and then all of a sudden he was asked
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    about it in the locker room this is a
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    famous interview it is something that's
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    evolved it's something as I've gained
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    more knowledge about you know what's
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    going on in this country in the past
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    what's going on currently these are new
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    situations this isn't new ground it's
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    things that have gone on in this country
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    for years and years and have never been
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    addressed and they need to be I'll
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    continue to sit I'm going to continue to
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    stand with the people of that being
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    oppressed to me this is something that
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    has to change and when there's
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    significant change and I feel like that
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    flag represents was supposed to
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    represent in this country is
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    representing people the way that is
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    supposed to haast and so he was sitting
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    none of this kneeling business and
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    that's when I first became aware of it I
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    don't watch anything about sports I
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    don't know that the guy was sitting but
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    it was not that he made a big deal about
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    sitting down for any political stance he
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    was just being malcontents sitting on
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    the bench and not getting up and not
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    even caring and again just opinions of
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    people who know much more about sports
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    than I do
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    in that same locker room interview it's
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    a very interesting question not really
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    too concerned about that if something
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    happens
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    that's only proven my point dr. Edwards
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    has some experience with public stances
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    this you were talking to him before
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    practices he's someone you've consulted
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    with at any point of I mean once again
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    it wasn't something I consulted anybody
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    on it was a conversation I had when
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    someone asked me about it dr. Edwards is
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    a good friend he's someone I talked to a
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    lot and run a lot of things behind have
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    a lot of conversations with this is the
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    same interview this is before there was
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    any kneeling and he's good friends and
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    was talking to dr. Harry Edwards before
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    the show who is dr. Harry Edwards does
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    it ring a bell for you John cuz sure
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    didn't for me oh yeah no he's a big shot
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    at University of California and and also
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    probably the leading sociologist in
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    sports and he was instrumental
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    instrumental in getting in fact it was
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    50 years ago the Olympic project for
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    Human Rights he was the one that
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    inspired and and got the American
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    sprinters Tommie Smith and John Carlos
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    to raise their black glove Black Power
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    salute when they won the medals in
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    Mexico City the guy is an activist super
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    activist so he's talking to Colin
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    Kaepernick who's been on the bench and
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    all of a sudden it's like oh yeah yeah
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    this is this is a protest and and then
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    he decides Kaepernick decides to take a
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    knee after former Green Beret and NFL
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    player Nate Boyer told him to do it
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    which is interesting if you're against
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    police brutality and and the weaponized
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    state of America but I former player
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    perhaps here's proof he did that
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    according to numerous reports you had a
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    problem you thought it was disrespectful
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    when he initially sat and according to
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    the reports you were one of the people
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    that sort of had an influence upon him
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    in terms of his willing to meal as
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    opposed to sitting down for the audience
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    out there for Americans everywhere could
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    you explain the difference in your mind
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    between kneeling and sitting
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    yeah the reporter of course they're
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    interesting I mean a lot of people I
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    think they they thought I was
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    encouraging him to protest or that I was
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    behind I was saying Colin you should
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    protest
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    social injustice is by taking a knee and
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    that is not the case he was sitting I
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    was hurt by that I think more than I
  • 13:22
    thought his disrespectful just kind of
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    hurt me so through that conversation you
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    know we talked about different ways to
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    demonstrate you know what that might
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    mean to people in my community in the
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    military community and I thought
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    kneeling showed reverence in some way
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    and respect in some way to those that
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    fought and many of those that gave their
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    life for what the flag in the anthem
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    represents people take a knee to pray
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    you know anybody almost anybody stand in
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    front of your your wife-to-be you get
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    down on a knee and you ask for her hand
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    in marriage
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    out of respect and reverence for her
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    what you just explained did you explain
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    it exactly like that to college cabinet
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    yeah so it wasn't a kneeling thing in
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    the beginning he was I would surmise
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    initially led by dr. Harry Edwards and
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    then he kind of evolved into the
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    kneeling which would get it more up
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    front and center I'm sure that was
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    agreeable to everybody who was in the
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    Kaepernick camp and so then we know what
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    happens and just a lot of back-and-forth
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    and Trump gets involved in all kinds of
  • 14:26
    issues and eventually Kaepernick gets
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    his first Nike deal but he also he tries
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    to get hired at third he quits as and
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    again I don't know how all this works
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    but he quit trying to get hired by
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    another team and then it was the helped
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    me out here who was it that the wanted a
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    higher rim damn it it doesn't well they
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    worse they said he was being blackballed
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    and then there was a settlement and he
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    got yeah liked him and some other player
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    got under ten million dollars before you
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    take away the lawyers fees then he had a
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    Nike ad but actually his girlfriend at
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    the time was he was on track to get
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    hired by the team whose name I can't
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    remember she tweeted out a racist
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    picture of the team owner you know
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    photoshopped into Django Unchained make
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    it look like you know the guy was a was
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    a slave owner and so you know then then
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    really nobody wanted
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    but whose but whose been doing these
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    deals for well as is typical in sports
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    there's a lawyer and the lawyer who did
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    all these deals for him as Mark Geragos
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    this should ring a bell
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    Geragos is also the lawyer for Jesse
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    Smollett
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    he's also lawyer for me see who else
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    that he has a couple other of these fine
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    people and at one point even Michael
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    Jackson but where did we hear the
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    Geragos name we heard the Geragos name
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    in connection with a Nike extortion suit
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    which was just dropped from the media
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    you don't hear about it anymore which
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    involved the one and only Michael
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    avenatti you remember there was
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    indictments and a big big brouhaha I
  • 16:17
    think what happened here you know now
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    that Colin Kaepernick has rebranded
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    himself with the Nike ad he got the big
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    afro all of a sudden no longer is he the
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    sexy Super Bowl with a sexy ballplayer
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    with all the abs now he's this social
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    justice warrior who doesn't speak a good
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    game really and I don't really remember
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    him speaking about Trayvon Martin or
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    Mike Brown or hands up don't shoot now
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    this all came about after this after
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    this incident where he was caught
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    sitting down he turned it into kneeling
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    this to me if you take the names into
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    account of Jesse Smollett lawyer Mark
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    Geragos his direct connection with
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    Michael avenatti this is an extortion
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    this was this is Al Sharpton 2.0 I don't
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    think that this is this is a promotion
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    he came as shoes show up then then yet
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    then I'm wrong then I'm wrong if the
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    shoes show up I'm wrong but this guy has
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    nothing going for him and all of a
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    sudden even though he's not a
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    spokesperson he's not out there talking
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    to everybody about it just one little
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    mention they stop I think they got
  • 17:27
    pressured but what it were where's the
  • 17:31
    benefit to anybody
  • 17:32
    the payoff extortion deals are result in
  • 17:38
    cash they result in more ads they will
  • 17:42
    result in more
  • 17:43
    and colin kaepernick will be doing more
  • 17:45
    for Nike I know I well I don't I'm not
  • 17:49
    seeing that
  • 17:50
    no I'm this is again I think the
  • 17:52
    Kaepernick thing was a red herring
  • 17:54
    I think Kaepernick is already out of the
  • 17:56
    picture because they moved they move
  • 17:57
    along and these shoes will be back on
  • 17:58
    the market because they're very
  • 17:59
    attractive shoes that people are gonna
  • 18:01
    demand them back and they can the
  • 18:02
    backlash and everything is all set up
  • 18:04
    now it's possible if it was an extortion
  • 18:06
    thing that does explain the Arizona
  • 18:08
    turnaround where they ghosts look look
  • 18:10
    at the ravine you started weed that's
  • 18:12
    what we have to get a new factory I mean
  • 18:13
    they could do that I could see that
  • 18:15
    happening but I think they went to
  • 18:16
    Arizona and said hey look this is just
  • 18:18
    part of a promotion I don't know why
  • 18:19
    you're being taken in by this which is
  • 18:21
    my theory and I and both are equally
  • 18:24
    possible I mean they're only put yeah
  • 18:27
    the proof is in the pudding the proof is
  • 18:29
    in the shoe is on the market beating
  • 18:31
    theories and one end a competitive the
  • 18:33
    proof of one or the other will be
  • 18:35
    whether the shoes show up again as a
  • 18:37
    product and the whole thing though
  • 18:43
    here's the problem I'm having with your
  • 18:46
    theory mm-hmm is that why are they
  • 18:49
    bringing out a shoe with a Betsy Ross
  • 18:51
    flag on it in the first place why not I
  • 18:54
    mean it's almost to incite this kind of
  • 18:57
    thing because there is going on right
  • 18:59
    now and this do you hear this on the
  • 19:01
    right-wing talkers a lot the right-wing
  • 19:03
    talkers and I've noticed I started
  • 19:04
    noticing this so much than most of my
  • 19:06
    research went into getting to the bottom
  • 19:08
    of it the right-wing talkers are going
  • 19:10
    on and on about how how and this
  • 19:14
    explains if we remember the Democratic
  • 19:16
    national debate there was no American
  • 19:19
    flags on the on the stage correct and
  • 19:22
    you listen to the right-wing talkers and
  • 19:24
    they'll tell you that well you know
  • 19:25
    there's research has indicated that if
  • 19:28
    you see an American flag you become a
  • 19:30
    Republican huh okay and this research is
  • 19:35
    actually valid but it's not recent
  • 19:37
    research and the American flag has been
  • 19:40
    disappearing from stages for this for
  • 19:42
    the problem it's somewhat problematic
  • 19:44
    because of because of a research report
  • 19:46
    there was the first version of this was
  • 19:48
    done in 2008 10 years ago and it was in
  • 19:55
    the political psychology Journal
  • 19:57
    and the title is sowing patriotism but
  • 20:00
    reaping nationalism consequences of
  • 20:02
    exposure to the American flag and this
  • 20:05
    is well researched and I want to read
  • 20:07
    for maybe that's why they didn't have
  • 20:09
    the true American flag and the original
  • 20:11
    13 colonies flag so is still not to make
  • 20:14
    people Republican by looking at shoes
  • 20:16
    but it's possible possible I think that
  • 20:20
    flag is very attractive by the way just
  • 20:22
    a brief exposure to an image of the
  • 20:24
    American flag shit this is from the
  • 20:26
    abstract shifts voters even Democrats to
  • 20:31
    Republican beliefs attitudes and voting
  • 20:34
    behavior even though most don't believe
  • 20:36
    it will impact their their politics
  • 20:38
    according to a new two-year study just
  • 20:40
    published by the scholarly psychological
  • 20:42
    science what's more according to three
  • 20:44
    authors from the University of Chicago
  • 20:45
    Cornell and Hebrew University the impact
  • 20:49
    has staying power power a single
  • 20:51
    exposure to the American flag resulted
  • 20:53
    in significant increase in participants
  • 20:56
    Republican voting intentions voting
  • 20:58
    behavior political beliefs an implicit
  • 21:00
    and explicit and implicit attitudes with
  • 21:04
    some effects lasting eight months these
  • 21:07
    results constitute the first evidence
  • 21:08
    that non conscious prime priming effects
  • 21:11
    from exposure to a national flag can
  • 21:13
    bias the citizenry toward one political
  • 21:15
    party and can have considerable
  • 21:17
    durability now that that study is backed
  • 21:20
    up in 2011 eight years ago yeah but hold
  • 21:25
    on hold on hold on hold it you're
  • 21:27
    conflating a lot of things no no I'm
  • 21:30
    just I'm just reading you disinformation
  • 21:31
    you can you can analyze it after I'm
  • 21:33
    done
  • 21:34
    I'm not conflating anything I'm just
  • 21:36
    reading from an abstract this is the one
  • 21:39
    that actually studies the singing and
  • 21:41
    this was done in dissociation for
  • 21:44
    psychological science a single exposure
  • 21:48
    to the American flag shift support
  • 21:50
    toward republicanism up to eight months
  • 21:52
    later and this is that's another whole
  • 21:57
    research and this was all done a while
  • 22:00
    ago but if you listen to right-wing
  • 22:01
    talkers you think that this happened
  • 22:03
    yesterday all this is information it's
  • 22:05
    not yesterday it's been going on for a
  • 22:06
    while the Republicans and the Democrats
  • 22:08
    both know it today
  • 22:10
    Kratts keep the flag off the stages if
  • 22:12
    they can Obama didn't do that he had the
  • 22:15
    flag all over the place
  • 22:17
    the Republicans try to get the flags up
  • 22:19
    they don't try hard enough that which
  • 22:21
    seems to me to be stupid so the
  • 22:22
    Republicans are dumb and the Democrats
  • 22:24
    are being kind of wily this became a
  • 22:27
    topic of conversation a little before
  • 22:30
    the shoes came out so when the flag
  • 22:31
    shows up on the shoes I think it started
  • 22:34
    this discussion underlying discussion
  • 22:36
    that's going on because they brought
  • 22:37
    this to everybody's attention and so the
  • 22:39
    Democrats and Republicans are now taking
  • 22:41
    two sides on the flag and the shoes are
  • 22:43
    an emblematic aspect of it and Nikes
  • 22:45
    just taking advantage of it okay so
  • 22:47
    you're telling me that a 100 billion
  • 22:49
    dollar company international company sat
  • 22:53
    down at a marketing meeting and said
  • 22:55
    here's a great idea we will use race
  • 22:59
    race to promote these shoes resulting in
  • 23:05
    this kind of discourse on bullcrap news
  • 23:08
    television yeah cuz it you know words
  • 23:10
    matter symbols matter - why don't we
  • 23:12
    wear a swastika
  • 23:13
    for July 4th because I don't know it
  • 23:15
    makes it makes a difference the cross
  • 23:17
    burning on somebody's lawn why don't we
  • 23:18
    just have a Nike you know celebration of
  • 23:21
    the well because those those symbols are
  • 23:23
    symbols of hate so we can take PC
  • 23:26
    culture back it's amazing to me the
  • 23:27
    people who require the loudest about PC
  • 23:29
    are the ones who didn't show up on the
  • 23:31
    fence first occurred who didn't defend
  • 23:33
    the people who were victims of white
  • 23:35
    supremacy or racism or sexism or
  • 23:37
    misogyny but now pop up and say hey
  • 23:39
    let's not be too PC if you ain't fought
  • 23:41
    the battle if you haven't celebrated the
  • 23:43
    process you can't acclaim the product so
  • 23:45
    at this point I think people need to be
  • 23:47
    honest about it and say it's not a
  • 23:49
    matter of PC there are many people
  • 23:50
    within communities of color who
  • 23:52
    understand complexity complication you
  • 23:54
    can't have it the way you want it but
  • 23:55
    something so glaring and so apparent
  • 23:57
    that has to be dealt with
  • 23:59
    so Nike actually had this meeting and
  • 24:02
    said this is a great idea we're gonna
  • 24:04
    use race to divide everybody to demote
  • 24:07
    our shoes devolved the flag the flag
  • 24:11
    Republic does all these to announce I
  • 24:13
    just read you that you're criticizing
  • 24:14
    before both of them aren't talking about
  • 24:16
    race neither one of them talks about
  • 24:18
    race they're talking about the
  • 24:20
    controversy between Democrats and
  • 24:21
    Republicans
  • 24:22
    Carlin cat
  • 24:23
    yeah but colin kaepernick didn't say
  • 24:25
    anything about the flag and that he's
  • 24:27
    the the report is it's racist you have a
  • 24:30
    tape of Colin Kaepernick saying anything
  • 24:32
    it's only thank you this is exactly my
  • 24:35
    point
  • 24:37
    exactly my point why is that there's
  • 24:40
    nothing that he's not out there being a
  • 24:42
    big social justice warrior against this
  • 24:44
    it's Nike set up we got a call we got to
  • 24:47
    pull it off the shelves really no yes no
  • 24:50
    no no no this is extortion to show back
  • 24:53
    up and it may even be part of a
  • 24:55
    longer-term strategy where they don't
  • 24:57
    only show back the Nike should be
  • 25:00
    ashamed of themselves Flags Nike should
  • 25:03
    be ashamed of themselves and it caught
  • 25:05
    flags and if Colin Kaepernick shows up
  • 25:08
    doing doing more Nike promotion or some
  • 25:11
    kind of political correctness promotion
  • 25:14
    whatever it is somewhere someone got
  • 25:16
    paid off for this I just can't believe
  • 25:19
    that a company would risk that there the
  • 25:22
    whole operation what if that came out
  • 25:25
    hey I got a great idea we're gonna
  • 25:26
    promote this this is just my thesis this
  • 25:32
    is this is not even close to coming I
  • 25:35
    was never gonna come out this is well
  • 25:37
    the the promotion part I've heard
  • 25:39
    several people's take on this and and
  • 25:41
    you know it's it's a reasonable thought
  • 25:44
    but it's really not because isn't
  • 25:46
    there's no way a company like this comes
  • 25:49
    up with that kind of marketing strategy
  • 25:51
    where they kept a secret oh well how
  • 25:53
    these great shoes I don't know what it
  • 25:55
    cost to bring some shoes to market but
  • 25:56
    it's you know you got design you got
  • 25:58
    manufacture you got shipping packaging
  • 26:00
    you got marketing slave labor and then
  • 26:02
    and then all of a sudden we're gonna
  • 26:03
    pull back there's a great idea we're
  • 26:05
    gonna create some some some political
  • 26:07
    and racial controversy just before July
  • 26:10
    4 different or again I don't think the
  • 26:14
    racial thing was an element I think it
  • 26:16
    just happened to come into it because
  • 26:17
    who would think that Betsy Ross flag had
  • 26:20
    anything to do with race it was like was
  • 26:22
    that was the crazy part that was like
  • 26:23
    the crate is so far as insofar as the
  • 26:25
    marketing guys concerned that's a bonus
  • 26:28
    all right well I think you're wrong and
  • 26:30
    we shall see but please believe me
  • 26:35
    at the Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson
  • 26:37
    model has not kept up with technology is
  • 26:40
    not kept up they've not kept up with the
  • 26:43
    with the perfect scam they're not doing
  • 26:45
    it right anymore this is a good one and
  • 26:48
    look at the people involved Mark Geragos
  • 26:51
    Michael avenatti who were indicted for
  • 26:53
    extorting Nike Mike 11 I had nothing to
  • 26:57
    do with the Betsy Ross flag incident
  • 27:01
    there's no connection between avenatti
  • 27:04
    and this particular thing you're talking
  • 27:05
    the connection is between avenatti and
  • 27:07
    Geragos who were both named in an
  • 27:10
    extortion suit against Nike this past
  • 27:13
    year then was they tried to extort 20
  • 27:17
    million dollars by saying that Nike was
  • 27:19
    going around I'm not arguing that that's
  • 27:22
    a fact Colin Kaepernick is a client of
  • 27:26
    Margar agos yes his clients guilt by
  • 27:29
    association thing which I think is valid
  • 27:31
    in this case is set for avenatti he's
  • 27:33
    got nothing to do with this scam okay
  • 27:38
    well I mean if he does he's really
  • 27:40
    fucked but I know what you're thinking I
  • 27:44
    think it's a good I think it's very well
  • 27:46
    constructed but unless if the shoes
  • 27:49
    don't come out then you're right all
  • 27:53
    right that's it's that simple and it
  • 27:55
    doesn't count if they come out with a
  • 27:56
    different flag no actually I I'm
  • 28:02
    thinking they do it from a marketing
  • 28:04
    perspective what you want to do is come
  • 28:06
    out with a bunch of different flags
  • 28:08
    including the Betsy Ross flag well Ross
  • 28:11
    flag has to be in play cuz the guy that
  • 28:14
    black professors going on about the
  • 28:16
    Betsy Ross flag me something to do with
  • 28:18
    slavery is ludicrous
  • 28:21
    right but did you know he's all American
  • 28:23
    flags did you know to slay Flay did you
  • 28:25
    notice how the mainstream jumped on this
  • 28:28
    couldn't come up with an actual
  • 28:31
    historical reason why this flag is
  • 28:34
    racist and so the narrative has become
  • 28:38
    there are groups who use that flag
  • 28:42
    yeah dice that's the bullcrap right
  • 28:46
    let's look at the game okay can you have
  • 28:48
    any website I want to see if they're web
  • 28:51
    you know this is John this is truly a
  • 28:54
    false flag come on now
  • 29:02
    my goodness I'm looking here at the KKK
  • 29:06
    yeah entering together they got a Nazi
  • 29:09
    symbol on a on a clover leaf they got a
  • 29:13
    bunch of things but I'm not seeing Betsy
  • 29:16
    Ross so this is I think you're I think
  • 29:21
    that by the way I think you're dead-on
  • 29:22
    that has to be what happened the media
  • 29:25
    had this thing they had to find some
  • 29:27
    connection to racism so they found maybe
  • 29:30
    there's one group of some old layer or
  • 29:34
    whatever they call themselves as Betsy
  • 29:36
    Ross flag is a symbol I don't know of it
  • 29:38
    hey I just I didn't it sure not shown as
  • 29:42
    a symbol in blue and the what the hell's
  • 29:46
    the name of that clan movie that was
  • 29:49
    done by Spike Lee black Klansmen
  • 29:55
    well there's one who was there of Betsy
  • 29:57
    Ross flag in that I
  • 30:01
    no I don't think so I don't think so and
  • 30:03
    it wasn't in the movie I'm thinking of
  • 30:04
    the great movie that was done in the
  • 30:05
    late 20s that something in nations Birth
  • 30:09
    of a Nation Birth of a Nation was about
  • 30:12
    the origins of the Klan and there was no
  • 30:14
    Betsy Ross flag ever reference this
  • 30:16
    bullcrap so the so the genesis of the
  • 30:20
    story is from the Wall Street Journal
  • 30:22
    and I'll read from the story Nike Inc is
  • 30:25
    yanking AUSA themed sneaker featuring an
  • 30:28
    early American flag after NFL star
  • 30:30
    turned activist Colin Kaepernick told
  • 30:32
    the company it shouldn't sell a shoe
  • 30:34
    with a symbol that he and others
  • 30:35
    consider offensive according to people
  • 30:38
    familiar with the matter so ill you with
  • 30:45
    the matter so this so I don't think
  • 30:48
    Kaepernick even called the company
  • 30:50
    someone started someone started this
  • 30:53
    thing going maybe it went straight to
  • 30:55
    the to The Wall Street Journal who knows
  • 30:57
    it was according to people familiar or
  • 31:00
    familiar with the matter and I think
  • 31:04
    Nike heard this went holy crap we got to
  • 31:08
    stop this shit that's a possibility but
  • 31:11
    that again shit says the shoes will
  • 31:13
    never come out but after all this from
  • 31:15
    another person just read listen
  • 31:16
    Kaepernick is a public personality he
  • 31:19
    has an agent you can call him why does
  • 31:21
    the Wall Street Journal not call him why
  • 31:24
    let me read the column you can say he's
  • 31:26
    not available for comment let me read
  • 31:27
    the next let me read the next paragraph
  • 31:29
    it would answer your question after
  • 31:31
    images of the shoe were posted online
  • 31:33
    mr. Kaepernick and Nike endorser with no
  • 31:36
    more contract reached out the company
  • 31:38
    officials saying that he and others felt
  • 31:40
    the Betsy Ross flag is an offensive
  • 31:42
    symbol because of its connection to an
  • 31:44
    era of slavery the people said some
  • 31:47
    users on social media responded to posts
  • 31:49
    about the shoe with similar concerns mr.
  • 31:51
    Kaepernick declined to comment now if
  • 31:56
    this way why would he declined to
  • 31:58
    comment because all had to happen was
  • 32:01
    this news had to come out so that they
  • 32:03
    would be for joy talking from your that
  • 32:05
    perspective hell with that
  • 32:06
    I'm talking about the journalistic
  • 32:08
    perspective if you're writing a story
  • 32:11
    and this guy's got a you've got a rumor
  • 32:14
    that this guy said
  • 32:15
    something he's a public personality with
  • 32:17
    an agent and you can get a hold of it
  • 32:18
    apparently they did but he declined to
  • 32:20
    comment why would he declined to comment
  • 32:23
    he's an activist he would have commented
  • 32:25
    exactly made his story is bogus maybe it
  • 32:29
    was Geragos who said maybe I'll have
  • 32:32
    Collin talk about your damn shoe well
  • 32:35
    that no that's getting into the
  • 32:37
    conspiracy side of things but I do but
  • 32:42
    again why wouldn't they quote Geragos
  • 32:46
    because you're a journalist and you're
  • 32:48
    writing this story you're getting people
  • 32:50
    on the record on this one because it's
  • 32:51
    not like it's a secret in the White
  • 32:53
    House it's not something from the CIA
  • 32:55
    that you can be thrown in jail for
  • 32:57
    revealing this is a simple thing yeah
  • 33:00
    well maybe why doesn't Geragos get
  • 33:02
    quoted why doesn't Kaepernick get voted
  • 33:04
    that people familiar with the thing who
  • 33:07
    is who is the people why don't we call
  • 33:09
    them well that's why I was so interested
  • 33:11
    when I heard your your clip they said
  • 33:13
    there was no mention of Kaepernick in
  • 33:15
    the retraction of the shoe announcement
  • 33:18
    that's interesting the whole thing
  • 33:22
    stinks yes but we'll keep it at this
  • 33:25
    we'll keep it between promotion and
  • 33:27
    blackmail and and we'll keep it and we
  • 33:30
    can disagree on this well no we won't be
  • 33:34
    disagreeing forever no no when I'm right
  • 33:36
    you will come to me and you will come
  • 33:37
    gross not gonna have that alrighty then
  • 33:44
    congratulations to Gabe comm they joined
  • 33:48
    the well at least they they released
  • 33:51
    their new system today which is a
  • 33:55
    mastodon clone or a fork I should say
  • 33:58
    and they have not completely federated
  • 34:02
    yet so I haven't been able to I can
  • 34:04
    follow myself from no agenda social
  • 34:06
    c'mon gab I haven't been able to do with
  • 34:08
    the other way around posts aren't
  • 34:09
    showing up yet but it's a big thing that
  • 34:12
    they're doing and already the social
  • 34:16
    justice mastodon feta verse is is
  • 34:19
    laughing at them and tell them that
  • 34:21
    they're losers why thank you if you're
  • 34:25
    into this federated thing like you are
  • 34:27
    because they
  • 34:28
    why would you not just encourage the
  • 34:31
    whole world to go well holdin to know
  • 34:35
    the Fed of that you know the Fed of ours
  • 34:37
    is run by social justice warriors
  • 34:40
    you know it's built by oh yes that's
  • 34:43
    right you told me this is built by them
  • 34:44
    they're ready to block as soon as they
  • 34:47
    come on not everybody did their phonies
  • 34:50
    they're just a bunch of Nazis that you
  • 34:52
    know that's true that's that's what
  • 34:54
    that's what they're saying yeah so now
  • 34:56
    that you know they've got this up and
  • 34:57
    running and it's not really up and
  • 34:59
    running yet immediately it's like ah
  • 35:01
    losers I'd I say give them give them a
  • 35:04
    week or so to get everything going it'll
  • 35:07
    take longer than that maybes you know
  • 35:09
    you got a lot you got a lot of users
  • 35:11
    you're trying to make the the pub/sub
  • 35:14
    activity work and everything I can just
  • 35:16
    see all the problems but it's it's a
  • 35:20
    start it's a start
  • 35:23
    well good it's a gap is a a little more
  • 35:28
    open than Twitter that's for sure well
  • 35:31
    yeah but you know and there's more and
  • 35:33
    more Nazis which is a lot more fun a
  • 35:37
    single Nazi posts and I don't really do
  • 35:40
    much on gab I just seems to me to be
  • 35:44
    pretty much like Twitter only a little
  • 35:46
    more complaining yeah and you don't see
  • 35:50
    post with this tweet is not available I
  • 35:52
    don't see that which is the thing that
  • 35:55
    bothers me the most
  • 35:56
    well I mean I hope I never go to gap and
  • 35:59
    see this tweet is not available anyway
  • 36:04
    moving away from the United States for a
  • 36:06
    moment we have some big news coming from
  • 36:12
    the Euro land from the eurozone as it
  • 36:16
    looks like there have been some
  • 36:18
    decisions made in the leadership now the
  • 36:24
    way it works in and I have a couple of
  • 36:26
    clips here the way it works in the
  • 36:27
    European Parliament we have the European
  • 36:29
    with the European Parliament of which we
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    have a president we have the European
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    Commission we have the European Council
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    then we have the European Central Bank
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    and you recall that
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    we had the Spitz and Connie dot process
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    which is each of the parties the big
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    parties in each of the 27 member states
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    all say okay here's here's the person we
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    would like to have as the president of
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    the Council of the Commission of the
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    Parliament and choose between one of
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    these and then I think it is the council
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    itself who goes into the back room and
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    deliberates for days on end and they
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    choose by secret ballot they choose the
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    winners it doesn't necessarily have to
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    be the Spitz and Connie Dot
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    interestingly enough well there's more
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    than just a little frustration amongst
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    every piece here in Strasbourg about
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    what's happened over the last couple of
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    days that yet again it is the council
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    that is taking control of who should get
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    the top jobs in Europe for the last
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    couple of decades this place the
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    European Parliament has been trying to
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    exert its authority its legitimacy it
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    would argue as only directly elected
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    elements of the EU institutions that it
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    should be able to put forward its
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    candidates to take over those leach jobs
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    that's what the spritzing candidate
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    process was all about it happened in
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    2014 with jean-claude Juncker but it
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    seems to have no ties with jean-claude
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    Juncker because when you look at it none
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    of the lead candidates form this
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    Parliament have managed to make it into
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    those and top their jobs they are
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    frustrated here because they look at
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    those decisions made in Brussels in the
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    back rooms in which leaders have been
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    essentially writing our names and
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    scratchy notes and others there is not
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    as they would say here very transparent
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    not very democratic so who exactly was
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    chosen well it should come as no
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    surprise that a German leader is always
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    needed at the head of the the European
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    Union project since it truly is the
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    German Reich that is running this where
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    German gotta have it gotta have a German
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    running the show but we know what the
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    choices were based on because we
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    actually titled one of our shows after
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    the reason for the choice of the people
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    who have been chosen national leaders
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    have finally agreed on the nominations
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    for the EU stop jobs but their choices
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    still have to be approved by the
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    European Parliament two women have been
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    four key posts Germany's Defense
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    Minister Ursula from the lion to head
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    the EU Commission and the French head of
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    the IMF Christine Lagarde the European